Thanks God, Mr. "I am the one with the MOST sportsman spirit" Gilchrist

Thanks God, Mr. "I am the one with the MOST sportsman spirit" Gilchrist

Post by Michael Banne » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:00:08



Quote:





> > <snip>

> > > Do not quite understand SMGPH so a URL would be useful.

> > Sydney Morning Gutter Press Herald.  Some people refer to it by the
> > shortened form: Sydney Morning Herald:

> > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/23/1077497518501.html

> > Andrew

> Thanks for the clarification Andrew. Is this the top Aussie paper as far
as
> cricket is concerned?

As I live in Sydney, I would read it before any other publication. Readers
in other states would name other publications.
 
 
 

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Post by RodP » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:11:53


says...

Quote:
> This may not immediately make sense to you--or maybe it will--but if
> you think about it a bit you will see that it is only fair.  If you
> can't be stumped on a no-ball, how can you be fairly out under the
> exact same circumstances just by calling it a runout instead of a
> stumping?

Makes perfect sense as usual, Ron.

Do you have any thoughts on why you can't be given out in such an
instance? I can't see any logical reason why you can't be stumped
on a no-ball, yet can be stumped on a wide. Unless in the case of
a bean ball (which in itself would probably require a super-human
effort by the keeper to gather and remove the bails), you're more
likely to receive a reachable delivery than a ball speared down
the legside to thwart an advancing batsmen.

Cheers,
Rod.

 
 
 

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Post by RodP » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:13:54



Quote:
> As I live in Sydney, I would read it before any other publication. Readers
> in other states would name other publications.

...and yet I tend to avoid it due to the fact it's double the height
and double the width of your average paper making it very inconvenient
to read. But then I'm lucky to pick up a newspaper once a fortnight.

Cheers,
Rod.

 
 
 

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Post by Gill » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:29:13


Quote:
> He didn't exactly run at him with the bat. Rather, he walked out of his
> crease towards Waqar, with his arms spread (one hand had his bat in it),
> asking him what the *** he was doing.

> If a guy who was once the fastest bowler in the world bowled two beamers
> straight at my head, i'd be pretty pissed off too, as would anyone
> around the world be if anyone (including Aussies) had done it to them.

I don't think the esteemed gent who started this thread has faced a bean
ball at pace. If he had he would not be so blase about it.
 
 
 

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Post by The Wo » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:13:02


Quote:

> says...

> > This may not immediately make sense to you--or maybe it will--but if
> > you think about it a bit you will see that it is only fair.  If you
> > can't be stumped on a no-ball, how can you be fairly out under the
> > exact same circumstances just by calling it a runout instead of a
> > stumping?

> Makes perfect sense as usual, Ron.

> Do you have any thoughts on why you can't be given out in such an
> instance? I can't see any logical reason why you can't be stumped
> on a no-ball, yet can be stumped on a wide.

Way it's been explained to me is that a wide isn't considered "unfair" in
the sense of a bowler taking unfair advantage (throwing, bowling from too
close, "dangerous and unfair" bowling, unfair field placement etc. It's
simply "wide."

Wog

 
 
 

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Post by The Wo » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:14:28


Quote:

> Many thanks.
> Do not quite understand SMGPH so a URL would be useful.

Sydney Morning [Gutter Press] Herald.

Unfortunately I don't have a URL to the article because I read it on a large
piece of paper about 24x18".

Wog

 
 
 

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Post by The Wo » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:15:44


Quote:





> > <snip>

> > > Do not quite understand SMGPH so a URL would be useful.

> > Sydney Morning Gutter Press Herald.  Some people refer to it by the
> > shortened form: Sydney Morning Herald:

> > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/23/1077497518501.html

> > Andrew

> Thanks for the clarification Andrew. Is this the top Aussie paper as far
as
> cricket is concerned?

Well it's from NSW...
 
 
 

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Post by CiL » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:27:11

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:15:44 +1100, "The Wog" <[my org

Quote:

>> Thanks for the clarification Andrew. Is this the top Aussie paper as far
>as
>> cricket is concerned?

>Well it's from NSW...

In brisbane, where  even our dogs dont wipe their arses with SMH rag,
lest they get some infection but Prakash, I shall tell this much, its
often good to read it for laughs, notice how now they are trying to
***heavily for clarke
 
 
 

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Post by Ron Knigh » Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:11:49

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:13:02 +1100, "The Wog" <[my org

Quote:




>> says...

>> > This may not immediately make sense to you--or maybe it will--but if
>> > you think about it a bit you will see that it is only fair.  If you
>> > can't be stumped on a no-ball, how can you be fairly out under the
>> > exact same circumstances just by calling it a runout instead of a
>> > stumping?

>> Makes perfect sense as usual, Ron.

>> Do you have any thoughts on why you can't be given out in such an
>> instance? I can't see any logical reason why you can't be stumped
>> on a no-ball, yet can be stumped on a wide.

>Way it's been explained to me is that a wide isn't considered "unfair" in
>the sense of a bowler taking unfair advantage (throwing, bowling from too
>close, "dangerous and unfair" bowling, unfair field placement etc. It's
>simply "wide."

Right.  When a bowler makes an unfair delivery this increases the
chances of the striker's getting out unfairly from that delivery.
Therefore the striker is immunized from any form of dismissal that
results from the delivery ("that results from the delivery" = "for
which the bowler gets credit").  Now of course in some sense of the
word "fairly" a batsman may get out fairly from an unfair delivery.
The bowler oversteps the crease by 2mm, but delivers quite the same
ball he would have delivered from 4mm further back, the striker plays
the same shot he would have played to that fair delivery, and delivers
the ball to second slip.  In one case the batsman is out caught.  In
the other case the batsman is not out, assuming that the umpire called
and signalled No ball.  You can't really say that in this particular
case the bowler derived any unfair advantage that arguably should
nullify the catch.  But we don't decide these things case-by-case, we
have general rules.  And the general rule is that a no-ball is an
unfair delivery and the wicket cannot fall by any way that is credited
to the bowler.  That a particular no-ball may not give an unfair
advantage does not discredit the applicability of the general rule.

Take it easy,
Ron Knight

 
 
 

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Post by RodP » Fri, 27 Feb 2004 04:47:14


says...

Quote:
> You can't really say that in this particular
> case the bowler derived any unfair advantage that arguably should
> nullify the catch.  But we don't decide these things case-by-case, we
> have general rules.  And the general rule is that a no-ball is an
> unfair delivery and the wicket cannot fall by any way that is credited
> to the bowler.  That a particular no-ball may not give an unfair
> advantage does not discredit the applicability of the general rule.

Ok, I can buy that logic, thanks again!

Cheers,
Rod.

 
 
 

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Post by K » Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:12:41

Quote:



> > As I live in Sydney, I would read it before any other publication. Readers
> > in other states would name other publications.

> ...and yet I tend to avoid it due to the fact it's double the height
> and double the width of your average paper making it very inconvenient
> to read. But then I'm lucky to pick up a newspaper once a fortnight.

> Cheers,
> Rod.

LOL...i thought it just me who had troubles with the size of the SMH
due to my lack of coordination!!!