Saqlain: World's best spinner?

Saqlain: World's best spinner?

Post by Czar Cartic X I » Tue, 08 Oct 1996 04:00:00


Hi,
 I think it's a tad too early to say that Saqlain Mushtaq is the
world's best spinner but I think it will sound trite in a couple of years.
As somebody put it on RSC : Is this guy amazing or what? He is as good a
performer in one-dayers as any great bowler can be, and imagine what havoc
he'll wreak on his test opponents ( as an attacking spinner).
  I don't mean to attack Warne, but stats point out that all his good
performances have come against test playing nations whith traditional weakness
against spin. He did have a marginally good series against Pak in Pak, but hey,
their batting was reaching a low then ( with all controversy) and they lost
to SL too.Back to Warne..  I remember his first series against India and he
was the only bowler Indians were comfortable with and he was consistently
whacked. He still had those looping leg breaks and googlies though he bowls 'em
with much more confidence now. He did add the flipper but, hey, they are still
the average pace of Kumble's deliveries. Unfortunately India have seen Aus only in
one-days after that, and Warney still happens to be the Indian batsmen's best
friend. ( Atleast Kambli and Tendulkar used to get half their scores from his
overs)He got whacked by SL in the WC final too.. I think it is not wrong
to say that the Indians will miss Warne more than the Aussies.

On the other hand, Saqlain has had great one-day performances, mainly against
India and SL who are good spin playing nations. I was there to witness the 4th
ODI agains India and Pak, and beleive me, even as an Indian supporter , U had to
appreciate this guy's impeccable line & length, offbreaks, floaters and
everything else. I may be wrong saying that his performnces in tests can only be better but I seriously doubt it.

I maybe unfair to Warne as he might now be a better test spinner than he is at ODI's but
Saqlain is making a serious claim to his throne.

 
 
 

Saqlain: World's best spinner?

Post by K.M.RAJAGOPA » Wed, 09 Oct 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>   I don't mean to attack Warne, but stats point out that all his good
> performances have come against test playing nations whith traditional weakness
> against spin. He did have a marginally good series against Pak in Pak, but hey,
> their batting was reaching a low then ( with all controversy) and they lost
> to SL too.Back to Warne..  I remember his first series against India and he
> was the only bowler Indians were comfortable with and he was consistently
> whacked. He still had those looping leg breaks and googlies though he bowls 'em
> with much more confidence now. He did add the flipper but, hey, they are still
> the average pace of Kumble's deliveries. Unfortunately India have seen Aus only in
> one-days after that, and Warney still happens to be the Indian batsmen's best
> friend. ( Atleast Kambli and Tendulkar used to get half their scores from his
> overs)He got whacked by SL in the WC final too.. I think it is not wrong
> to say that the Indians will miss Warne more than the Aussies.

*** It is a terrible misconception to say
that
Indians are "Very Good" players of Spin..
Whenever they have faced a Good Spin
attack,
they have failed miserably.. Look at
Statistics..
"Pocock and Edmonds" won the series for
England
in 1984.. "IqbalQasim and TauseefAhmed"
ran thru
the Indian batting to win the series for
Pakistan
at Bangalore in 1986; and in recent times
Indians have found Saqlain and Mushtaq
more
difficult to play than the Two W's..
They
were unamble to score even against
"part-time"
spinners (like Jayasurya) of Srilanka..
Oh yeah! I forgot to mention
"GregMathews"
destructive spell in the tied test at
Madras..
This is due to the lack of good spin
bowlers
in domestic cricket..  There are only few
good
players of Spin in the Current Team ( but
none as classy as Mohinder or
SunilGavaskar)..

So, to say that Indians will "miss" Warne
is
a ridiculous statement.. In fact, he
could have
nailed this false notion of Indians being
great players of Spin..

Yes! Indians "PREFER" to play "spin"
compared
to pace (for the obvious reasons)

Raj

 
 
 

Saqlain: World's best spinner?

Post by Czar Cartic X I » Thu, 10 Oct 1996 04:00:00

I think what you've said is a different way to look at it, though not
necessarily the correct way. Considering that India has not had
the best test record over the past 10-15 yrs , they have obviously
succumbed more times to pace than these isolated cases of spin.

Pocock & Edmonds: I consider Edmonds a very crafty spinner. However
that was the only innings in the series when the indians "fell" to this
duo,, and it was more b'cos of a careless approach than any credit to the
bowlers.
Qasim and Tauseef: C'mon, it was a minefield and no other team in the world
would have even made the runs India and Pak made on that pitch.
Saqlain & Mustaq: My point exactly. That's why I consider Saqlain the world's
greatest spinner. Mushtaq is good but he is among wickets as Indians go after
him a little bit. What's good about Saqlain is that he gets wickets without
giving away runs.
Greg Matthews: India were after a win that day and he was almost the only
bowler bowled by Border on the last day. Go figure! ( I still can't  figure
how Vikram Raju gave an lbw for a ball pitched on middle and turned square;
how many umpires in the world would have given that decision which affected
their country's team. Well that's a different issue..)
Jayasuriya: MINEFIELD!! Coupled with pressure and what U've said;

Now, let me give U instances of why I'd say India is a good player of spin.
Well, being "less " athletically endowed, all cricketers like to become
spinners at an early age rather than going through the grind of becoming
a pace bowler.  Hence there is a surfeit of spinners at the league and national
level , and though may not be test class, all batsmen learn to play spinners
in order to survive. This includes
(a) Using the feet to get to the pitch of the ball.
(b) Reading from the hand and not from the pitch, what type of delivery it is.
Bowlers like Abdul Qadir, who were so effective against other opposition
never made a mark against India. Bob Holland, Shane Warne will follow this list
I would have to say that Indians have fell to pace attacks more than spin
and quoting these cases does not really disprove the theory that McGrath,
Fleming and Reiffel are a better bet to beat India than Shane Warne.
India would fancy it's chances against every team in the world ( except Pak)
when it prepares a slow turner at home; mind U, not a minefield.

  All stated IMHO,
Czar Cartic

 
 
 

Saqlain: World's best spinner?

Post by Nicholas M Bennet » Sat, 19 Oct 1996 04:00:00

        I'm sorry but that's BOLLOCKS. the guy can't even hold down a
regular test place. How many did he play against England this summer ? 0 I
think. The guy's shit compared to Warne, Mustaq or even Phil Tufnell of
England, who will prove this winter that he is still the worlds best
left-arm slow bowler.
                                Nick M Bennett