Robert Croft having a bad series.

Robert Croft having a bad series.

Post by Rob Malpa » Sun, 03 Aug 1997 04:00:00


He seems to have slipped by without anyone noticing ... until now!

He's taken 6 wickets all Summer.   Atherton hasn't bowled him as much as he
could have (but then again this is awkward when you've got four non-spinners
at the other end.

Few would argue about Croft being the best spinner in England.   Tufnell
was so good a few years back (91-92) that he looked set for stardom.   But
possibly due to his antics off the field he lost form and favour and is now
nothing like as big a spinner of the ball as he was then.   Good though Croft
is, it has to be wondered if this is the best spinner we've got - do we need
a spinner?

Also the Australians have worked out how to dismiss him with consumate ease.
He's McGrath's bunny.   He hasn't played a good shot all Summer and looks as
though he'll go every ball.   McGrath gives him two softeners and then that's
usually it.

6 wickets in 4 tests and virtually no runs, his place has to be on the line.
I hope he is dropped and comes back stronger because I don't want him to
become another Emburey.   Again the Australians have spotted a weakness and
played on it.   England rarely do so.   If the series was not so desperately
poised, I'd keep him because he does look like the genuine article, but it
is so I wouldn't.

Rob

 
 
 

Robert Croft having a bad series.

Post by Stem » Fri, 08 Aug 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>He's taken 6 wickets all Summer.   Atherton hasn't bowled him as much as he
>could have (but then again this is awkward when you've got four non-spinners
>at the other end.

I think you can put that down to the fact that England is preparing
non-turning wickets to combat Shane Warne. However in doing so they
are also negating Croft, who is even less of a turner of the ball as
Warne himself.

Quote:
>Few would argue about Croft being the best spinner in England.  

You'll get no argument from me.

Quote:
>Tufnell
>was so good a few years back (91-92) that he looked set for stardom.   But
>possibly due to his antics off the field he lost form and favour and is now
>nothing like as big a spinner of the ball as he was then.   Good though Croft
>is, it has to be wondered if this is the best spinner we've got - do we need
>a spinner?

Not if you're going to prepare dead wickets which don't turn, better
to have an all-rounder/medium pacer. Unfortunately England lacks a
part-time spinner, what with Athers' sore back and all, otherwise the
selectors might be more keen to go in without a slow bowler.

Quote:
>Also the Australians have worked out how to dismiss him with consumate ease.
>He's McGrath's bunny.   He hasn't played a good shot all Summer and looks as
>though he'll go every ball.   McGrath gives him two softeners and then that's
>usually it.

I don't want to be too critical of Croft, because it's hard coping
with a stream of short balls from someone as quick as McGrath - but if
he wants to hold down number eight, he'll need to deal with them. At
the moment he is not, even though he is reportedly a quite handy bat.

Quote:
>6 wickets in 4 tests and virtually no runs, his place has to be on the line.
>I hope he is dropped and comes back stronger because I don't want him to
>become another Emburey.   Again the Australians have spotted a weakness and
>played on it.   England rarely do so.   If the series was not so desperately
>poised, I'd keep him because he does look like the genuine article, but it
>is so I wouldn't.

The thing that impresses me about Croft is that he is not an Emburey
or Peter Such clone, who lobs in and spears the ball in flat and fast.
He is quite prepared to give it air and lure the batsmen out of the
crease, which is great and should be encouraged...

However he has not been helped, either by the wickets or Atherton's
field placements, which seem to relegate him to a containing bowler
rather than a front-line spinner. He is also, like most off-spinners,
a markedly better bowler to left-handers than right-handers. Australia
has only two leftys in this current XI, those being Taylor (who is out
before Croft even scratches his ***s in the field) and Elliott,
who is generally 40 or 50 before Croft gets a look-in, which makes him
all the more difficult to dismiss. Add to this players such as the
Waughs and Ponting are fine players of spin, particularly off-spin,
and don't have any conceivable problems with Croft on a flat track.

Steve

 
 
 

Robert Croft having a bad series.

Post by IAN WATKIN » Mon, 11 Aug 1997 04:00:00

if robert croft is englands best spinner then they are in worse trouble
than i thought.

Quote:
> He seems to have slipped by without anyone noticing ... until now!

> He's taken 6 wickets all Summer.   Atherton hasn't bowled him as much
> as he
> could have (but then again this is awkward when you've got four
> non-spinners
> at the other end.

> Few would argue about Croft being the best spinner in England.
> Tufnell
> was so good a few years back (91-92) that he looked set for stardom.
> But
> possibly due to his antics off the field he lost form and favour and
> is now
> nothing like as big a spinner of the ball as he was then.   Good
> though Croft
> is, it has to be wondered if this is the best spinner we've got - do
> we need
> a spinner?

> Also the Australians have worked out how to dismiss him with consumate
> ease.
> He's McGrath's bunny.   He hasn't played a good shot all Summer and
> looks as
> though he'll go every ball.   McGrath gives him two softeners and then
> that's
> usually it.

> 6 wickets in 4 tests and virtually no runs, his place has to be on the
> line.
> I hope he is dropped and comes back stronger because I don't want him
> to
> become another Emburey.   Again the Australians have spotted a
> weakness and
> played on it.   England rarely do so.   If the series was not so
> desperately
> poised, I'd keep him because he does look like the genuine article,
> but it
> is so I wouldn't.

> Rob


 
 
 

Robert Croft having a bad series.

Post by Mad Hami » Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Let's not forget the number of chances missed off of Croft. Ian Chappell
reckoned it was 2 missed stumpings and 3 dropped catches iirc. (plus an lbw
which he reckoned was dead plumb)

The English fielding and Stewart as keeper haven't helped Croft.

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Robert Croft having a bad series.

Post by Nick Treb » Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Mad Hamish wrote

Quote:
>Let's not forget the number of chances missed off of Croft. Ian Chappell
>reckoned it was 2 missed stumpings and 3 dropped catches iirc. (plus an lbw
>which he reckoned was dead plumb)

I completely agree.  Croft looked like a great bowler on the fourth dy
of the fifth test (I was there!).  The Aussies were struggling to score
runs off him, and they popped up numerous chances.  Stewart played
appalingly, and Atherton didn't give him any close fielders.  Quite a
few shots popped up to give cathches were there anyone near to the bat.

It's no good having a good spinner if your wicketkeeper can't catch.  In
total contrast, Warne and Healy don't miss anything.
--
Nick Treby

 
 
 

Robert Croft having a bad series.

Post by Stem » Thu, 14 Aug 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>Let's not forget the number of chances missed off of Croft. Ian Chappell
>reckoned it was 2 missed stumpings and 3 dropped catches iirc. (plus an lbw
>which he reckoned was dead plumb)

>The English fielding and Stewart as keeper haven't helped Croft.

Chappell was noting that Croft hadn't taken a wicket for 77 overs, and
he got the scorer, Max Kruger, to tally the chances off Croft's
bowling. It came up as two missed stumpings, two dropped catches, two
catches close in given not out (but shown by replays to be out -
Warne's catch at short leg was one of these) and the plumb lbw of
Warne which Mitcheley turned down. This makes a tally of seven.

Steve