Is this the END of SYMOND'S test run

Is this the END of SYMOND'S test run

Post by Mad Hamis » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:34:53


Quote:




>> > Now Symonds was given another chance at home, replacing
>> > Clarke

>> No, he's replaced Watson.

>> <snip>

>> > If he fails in I2, Id probably bring Clake back for him myself.

>> I realise that the media would have you believe otherwise, but
>> Australia does have other players.

>> Moby

>cameron white for one. couldnt do any worse than Simmo, and he does bowl
>regularly.

this summer
CL White              5    9   1   301   63   37.62   -   1
CL White              5   93.3   14   331   10  33.10  3-48   -  -
56.1  3.54

in addition if a pitch suggests that we can play 2 spinners then
MacGill must be ahead of White so unless you want to drop Warne from
him that doesn't give a real option for the attack in most cases.

If you picked White for Sydney the attack would be
McGrath, Lee, Warne, MacGill, Warne.
Not really nice if you have to bowl first.

Not to mention that he was bowling absolute dross in the only matches
I've seen or followed his bowling this summer (admittedly one dayers
rather than first class)

White seems to have really hurt himself as a captain, it looks to me
like he doesn't really want to bowl himself much and he's not good
enough with the bat to really justify being picked for Aus.

He's averaging under 2.5 wickets a match in first class cricket and I
think it's gone down since he was captain.

Quote:
>Could give the fat dude from SA a go, cosgrove, he looks solid
>( technique wise ) , symonds has never looked solid, always flashy.

I see the most likely option being that Symonds gets retained for
Sydney with Watson coming back for the tour to South Africa.
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws

 
 
 

Is this the END of SYMOND'S test run

Post by Mad Hamis » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:37:24

Quote:

>> In addition if you're going to bring Clarke in ahead of Symonds then
>> you're either going to have 1 spinner in Sydney or you have McGrath
>> and Lee to open and your next best option for a seamer is Ponting.

>I think it was Ian Chappell that described him yesterday best - he is picked
>as a batter and a bowling option, not as an all rounder.  He is primarily in
>the team to score runs.

>He might be useful to get rid of ten overs in an ODI and taking the odd
>wicket with players throwing the bat, but as a serious option for taking
>wickets in Tests?   I doubt it.

What he can do is bowl medium pace to keep things tight giving the
option of playing both Warne and MacGill.

When he's been given the ball this summer he's actually done that job
pretty well.

If the selectors still have their old thoughts about the attack
composition then I'd expect Watson to come back when he's fit who
gives closer to a genuine seam option
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws


 
 
 

Is this the END of SYMOND'S test run

Post by alve » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:53:06

snip

Quote:

> If you picked White for Sydney the attack would be
> McGrath, Lee, Warne, MacGill, Warne.
> Not really nice if you have to bowl first.

But good for Warnie. He gets to bowl from both ends...

 
 
 

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Post by JM » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:58:22


Quote:

>>> In addition if you're going to bring Clarke in ahead of Symonds then
>>> you're either going to have 1 spinner in Sydney or you have McGrath
>>> and Lee to open and your next best option for a seamer is Ponting.

>>I think it was Ian Chappell that described him yesterday best - he is
>>picked
>>as a batter and a bowling option, not as an all rounder.  He is primarily
>>in
>>the team to score runs.

>>He might be useful to get rid of ten overs in an ODI and taking the odd
>>wicket with players throwing the bat, but as a serious option for taking
>>wickets in Tests?   I doubt it.

> What he can do is bowl medium pace to keep things tight giving the
> option of playing both Warne and MacGill.

> When he's been given the ball this summer he's actually done that job
> pretty well.

> If the selectors still have their old thoughts about the attack
> composition then I'd expect Watson to come back when he's fit who
> gives closer to a genuine seam option
> --
> "Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
> Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

> Mad Hamish
> Hamish Laws


Big Merv actually confirmed that Symonds was in the team as a no. 6 batter
to make runs during the lunch break today, so I'd be guessing win, lose or
draw that Roy should be left out of the next game given the recent fate of
non-performing middle order batters.  The fact that Aust went in with two
spinners probably helped his cause in getting one more chance.
 
 
 

Is this the END of SYMOND'S test run

Post by Mad Hamis » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:34:25

Quote:




>> If the selectors still have their old thoughts about the attack
>> composition then I'd expect Watson to come back when he's fit who
>> gives closer to a genuine seam option

>Big Merv actually confirmed that Symonds was in the team as a no. 6 batter
>to make runs during the lunch break today,

Perhaps you might want to recall that Merv actually also said that he
provided a bowling option?

Quote:
> so I'd be guessing win, lose or
>draw that Roy should be left out of the next game given the recent fate of
>non-performing middle order batters.  The fact that Aust went in with two
>spinners probably helped his cause in getting one more chance.

He's been bowling well today and I doubt we want to drop a spinner for
Sydney.
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws

 
 
 

Is this the END of SYMOND'S test run

Post by Bounty Bo » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:08:40

Quote:





>>>>Now Symonds was given another chance at home, replacing
>>>>Clarke
>>>No, he's replaced Watson.
>>><snip>
>>>>If he fails in I2, Id probably bring Clake back for him myself.
>>>I realise that the media would have you believe otherwise, but
>>>Australia does have other players.
>>>Moby
>>cameron white for one. couldnt do any worse than Simmo, and he does bowl
>>regularly.
> I'm a fan of White but he's a spinner. The spot is for a med.
> Could give the fat dude from SA a go, cosgrove, he looks solid
>>( technique wise ) , symonds has never looked solid, always flashy.
> Hopes anyone?

   I'm a Hopes fan and was hoping they'd pick him for boxing day.
I don't think he's going to be a particularly strong test player
compared to odis but since the selectors are pathological about
an allrounder I'd like to see them pick Hopes who is a much better
bowler than Symonds and I'm pretty sure he could average 12 with
the bat as well.
 
 
 

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Post by JM » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:59:50

Quote:

> Perhaps you might want to recall that Merv actually also said that he
> provided a bowling option?

Yes he did say that, but given the way players like Warne, McGrath (today),
Lee et. al. have been playing you could justify them in the same way: as
bowlers but could also be used as batting options?

His primary purpose (roy) is to score runs, and he isn't doing that.  There
are plenty of other 'bowling options' that could be bowling better, and
scoring the same if not more runs.  How many chances do you give him?

Yeah he did bowl tidy today, and maybe it did contribute to Lee and McGrath
getting a wicket - but you'd need a 100% guarantee from the victims that
Symonds frustrated them into getting out because his career figures of 2
wickets at 104 from 73 overs doesn't suggest his bowling should be keeping
him in the side any more than his batting.

 
 
 

Is this the END of SYMOND'S test run

Post by Mad Hamis » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:14:44

Quote:

>Hopes anyone?

Dunno, I saw him facing Tait in a one day domestic last year and he
really struggled to lay bat on ball with the pace.

Which isn't exactly reasuring for his ability to play a fast bowler
who can guarantee what quarter of the field the ball will land in.
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws

 
 
 

Is this the END of SYMOND'S test run

Post by Mike Holman » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:05:05

Quote:

>Big Merv actually confirmed that Symonds was in the team as a no. 6 batter
>to make runs during the lunch break

No wonder he's for the chop, then. According to the Laws, you can only
make runs when play is taking place.

Cheers,

Mike

 
 
 

Is this the END of SYMOND'S test run

Post by JM » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:40:01


Quote:

>>Big Merv actually confirmed that Symonds was in the team as a no. 6 batter
>>to make runs during the lunch break

> No wonder he's for the chop, then. According to the Laws, you can only
> make runs when play is taking place.

> Cheers,

> Mike

Should I write "I must correctly phrase my comments" on the blackboard 500
times?
 
 
 

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Post by Mike Holman » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:54:50

Quote:




>>>Big Merv actually confirmed that Symonds was in the team as a no. 6 batter
>>>to make runs during the lunch break

>> No wonder he's for the chop, then. According to the Laws, you can only
>> make runs when play is taking place.

>> Cheers,

>> Mike

>Should I write "I must correctly phrase my comments" on the blackboard 500
>times?

No. Write "I must phrase my comments correctly" 500 times.

Cheers,

Mike

 
 
 

Is this the END of SYMOND'S test run

Post by alve » Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:22:49

Quote:





>>>>Big Merv actually confirmed that Symonds was in the team as a no. 6 batter
>>>>to make runs during the lunch break

>>> No wonder he's for the chop, then. According to the Laws, you can only
>>> make runs when play is taking place.

>>> Cheers,

>>> Mike

>>Should I write "I must correctly phrase my comments" on the blackboard 500
>>times?

> No. Write "I must phrase my comments correctly" 500 times.

Excuse him. He's going through a difficult phrase...