What is the world record for first-class cricket's...?

What is the world record for first-class cricket's...?

Post by Ross Smi » Sat, 11 Jan 2003 06:06:23


11th wicket partnership?
80 by Whitfield & Morton:  Cambridge Uni v Surrey at The Oval 1878

12th wicket partnership?

13th wicket partnership?

14th wicket partnership?

By the way, I do not agree that any of the above should be recognised.

However, 11th & 12th (by Cricinfo, Wisden, Frindall), and 13th & 14th
(by Wisden & Frindall only) do apparently.

In my opinion only 11-a-side matches should count towards first-class
statsitics. But I'd be interested to hear arguments as to why some
"odds" games should also be listed.

 
 
 

What is the world record for first-class cricket's...?

Post by WL » Sat, 11 Jan 2003 06:20:39

Ross Smith said:

Quote:

> In my opinion only 11-a-side matches should count towards first-class
> statsitics. But I'd be interested to hear arguments as to why some
> "odds" games should also be listed.

Cricket's cricket.  It's an oddity, a mysterious game - let it sit there, in
the corner, a popular but mumbling freakish character dwarfed by the
arrogant football.  To explain its oddities would be to deprive us of its
magic!

Will

 
 
 

What is the world record for first-class cricket's...?

Post by John P Darc » Sat, 11 Jan 2003 07:32:05

Quote:

> In my opinion only 11-a-side matches should count towards first-class
> statsitics. But I'd be interested to hear arguments as to why some
> "odds" games should also be listed.

I agree with your opinion.  I assume that any odds matches listed by
Frindall and others would be matches in the 19th century, predating the
County Championship and only recognised as first-class due to
"tradition".

--

Cheers

John

Left-wing Logic 101:
Land rights *and* open immigration

 
 
 

What is the world record for first-class cricket's...?

Post by Robert Henderso » Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:33:40



Quote:

>> In my opinion only 11-a-side matches should count towards first-class
>> statsitics. But I'd be interested to hear arguments as to why some
>> "odds" games should also be listed.

>I agree with your opinion.  I assume that any odds matches listed by
>Frindall and others would be matches in the 19th century, predating the
>County Championship and only recognised as first-class due to
>"tradition".

>-

A dangerous assumption. Matches against 12s were often of  undeniable FC
standard. RH

Quote:
>-

>Cheers

>John

>Left-wing Logic 101:
>Land rights *and* open immigration

--
Robert Henderson

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Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
 
 
 

What is the world record for first-class cricket's...?

Post by Paul Hyet » Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:05:59

In uk.sport.cricket on Fri, 10 Jan 2003 at 09:32:05, John P Darcy wrote
:

Quote:

>> In my opinion only 11-a-side matches should count towards first-class
>> statsitics. But I'd be interested to hear arguments as to why some
>> "odds" games should also be listed.

>I agree with your opinion.  I assume that any odds matches listed by
>Frindall and others would be matches in the 19th century, predating the
>County Championship and only recognised as first-class due to
>"tradition".

The ACS has recognised some 12-a-side matches in the early 20th C as
first-class.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England
 
 
 

What is the world record for first-class cricket's...?

Post by Ross Smi » Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:09:25

Quote:

> In uk.sport.cricket on Fri, 10 Jan 2003 at 09:32:05, John P Darcy wrote
> :

> >> In my opinion only 11-a-side matches should count towards first-class
> >> statsitics. But I'd be interested to hear arguments as to why some
> >> "odds" games should also be listed.

> >I agree with your opinion.  I assume that any odds matches listed by
> >Frindall and others would be matches in the 19th century, predating the
> >County Championship and only recognised as first-class due to
> >"tradition".

> The ACS has recognised some 12-a-side matches in the early 20th C as
> first-class.

...even into the mid-20th C.,  Paul.

At least 10 matches in India from the 1910s to the 1940s!

and an update to my initial post...

89 for 11th wkt - Nawab of Pataudi snr & PE Palia for India v Rest of
India at Lahore  2-4th Feb 1932.

 
 
 

What is the world record for first-class cricket's...?

Post by Matt van de Werke » Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:50:12

Quote:


>> In my opinion only 11-a-side matches should count towards first-class
>> statsitics. But I'd be interested to hear arguments as to why some
>> "odds" games should also be listed.

> I agree with your opinion.  I assume that any odds matches listed by
> Frindall and others would be matches in the 19th century, predating the
> County Championship and only recognised as first-class due to
> "tradition".

The current ING cup matches in Australia, where each team is listed as
"12 players, 11 bat, 11 field", are rated as "list A" matches. I don't
see it as being all that much different...

Cheers,
MvdW

 
 
 

What is the world record for first-class cricket's...?

Post by Paul Hyet » Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:00:29

In uk.sport.cricket on Sat, 11 Jan 2003 at 19:09:25, Ross Smith wrote :

Quote:

>> The ACS has recognised some 12-a-side matches in the early 20th C as
>> first-class.

>...even into the mid-20th C.,  Paul.

>At least 10 matches in India from the 1910s to the 1940s!

I know Cricket Statistician has articles on it, but I couldn't find them
on a casual search.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England
 
 
 

What is the world record for first-class cricket's...?

Post by Larry de Silv » Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:39:00


Quote:

> >Left-wing Logic 101:
> >Land rights *and* open immigration

Just as a matter of interest, what IS allegedly illogical about this?

Laz