Autralian team made a mistake.

Autralian team made a mistake.

Post by Karuv » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:08:42


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/static/cricket/icc_champions_t...

After winning the toss Australia should let Lankans to bat and catch
up the score like Lankans did. That's how Lankans are winning most of
the time.

 
 
 

Autralian team made a mistake.

Post by Moby » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:05:09

Well... yes

But I think the turning point of the game was Hayden's dismissal.
Essentially Australia's only hope on turning pitches, he mis-judged the ball
badly.

Overconfidence..  And Sri Lanka were never going to fall over easily.

Moby

 
 
 

Autralian team made a mistake.

Post by BalVgnsw » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:23:36

Quote:

>But I think the turning point of the game was Hayden's dismissal.
>Essentially Australia's only hope on turning pitches, he mis-judged the ball
>badly.

Hayden must have remembered the reams of paper which printed his ability to
play spin well and the way he smashed Indian spinners.

He faces the first ball from Aravinda and wanted to whack it.

Look at Gilchrist's dismissal.  The shot slection was appalling.

Irresponsible, is the better description than overconfidence.

Vicky:

 
 
 

Autralian team made a mistake.

Post by Kames » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 13:02:55


Quote:

> >But I think the turning point of the game was Hayden's dismissal.
> >Essentially Australia's only hope on turning pitches, he mis-judged the
ball
> >badly.

> Hayden must have remembered the reams of paper which printed his ability
to
> play spin well and the way he smashed Indian spinners.

> He faces the first ball from Aravinda and wanted to whack it.

> Look at Gilchrist's dismissal.  The shot slection was appalling.

> Irresponsible, is the better description than overconfidence.

They overestimated their batting and bowling abilities. Between Hayden,
Martyn and Lehmann they felt they had the best batting against spin and the
rest would chip in to get to a good total. The fearsome pace attack was then
to decimate the SL batting.

We all know what happened.

Kamesh

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Quote:

> Vicky:

 
 
 

Autralian team made a mistake.

Post by Moby » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:29:07


Quote:

> >But I think the turning point of the game was Hayden's dismissal.
> >Essentially Australia's only hope on turning pitches, he mis-judged the
ball
> >badly.

> Hayden must have remembered the reams of paper which printed his ability
to
> play spin well and the way he smashed Indian spinners.

Reams?  Weren't we all recently talking about how little press he received?

Quote:
> He faces the first ball from Aravinda and wanted to whack it.

> Look at Gilchrist's dismissal.  The shot slection was appalling.

> Irresponsible, is the better description than overconfidence.

Perhaps there was some element of it.  But an opening batsman who is known
to be a very good player of spin facing a part-time spinner is very likely
to after the ball.

In this case, Aravinda was up to the task and had the better of it.  If
Hayden  had charged Murali, it'd definately be irresponsible.  And if they
weren't the first and second wickets to fall, it would have been
irresponsible.  I'm not so sure about the two wickets you are talking about,
but.. yes, there probably was some element of non-thought on the part of the
batsmen.  It's not as if Sri Lanka have so many good bowlers you need to try
to do -that- much damage to the part-timers. (no one does)

Moby

 
 
 

Autralian team made a mistake.

Post by BalVgnsw » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:46:56

Quote:

>It's not as if Sri Lanka have so many good bowlers you need to try
>to do -that- much damage to the part-timers. (no one does)

After scoring 49 in 6 overs, why in the world one wants to go after a new
bowler from the first ball itself?
 
 
 

Autralian team made a mistake.

Post by Mad Hami » Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:14:18


Quote:

>>But I think the turning point of the game was Hayden's dismissal.
>>Essentially Australia's only hope on turning pitches, he mis-judged the ball
>>badly.

>Hayden must have remembered the reams of paper which printed his ability to
>play spin well and the way he smashed Indian spinners.

>He faces the first ball from Aravinda and wanted to whack it.

Fair enough really, they were 0-49 after not too many overs. Taking on
the new bowler was fair enough. It didn't come off this time but that
doesn't mean it wasn't a reasonable thing to try.

Quote:

>Look at Gilchrist's dismissal.  The shot slection was appalling.

Not having seen it I can't really comment on the shot selection, but
the middle order really has to shoulder more of the blame than the
openers here.
Gilchrist's job in the team is to try and make runs fast, he takes
risks. If the openers fail then the middle order has to take up the
slack.
Quote:

>Irresponsible, is the better description than overconfidence.

--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws

 
 
 

Autralian team made a mistake.

Post by Mad Hami » Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:14:19


Quote:

>>It's not as if Sri Lanka have so many good bowlers you need to try
>>to do -that- much damage to the part-timers. (no one does)

>After scoring 49 in 6 overs, why in the world one wants to go after a new
>bowler from the first ball itself?

Because if you can get after him then the opposing captain really has
problems?
Because you believe that you can do it (and Hayden has done it quite
often against spinners in the past)
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws

 
 
 

Autralian team made a mistake.

Post by Augustus Fink-Nott » Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:50:14

Quote:



>>>But I think the turning point of the game was Hayden's dismissal.
>>>Essentially Australia's only hope on turning pitches, he mis-judged the ball
>>>badly.

>>Hayden must have remembered the reams of paper which printed his ability to
>>play spin well and the way he smashed Indian spinners.

>>He faces the first ball from Aravinda and wanted to whack it.

>Fair enough really, they were 0-49 after not too many overs. Taking on
>the new bowler was fair enough. It didn't come off this time but that
>doesn't mean it wasn't a reasonable thing to try.

If you read between the lines, you'll realise that balvgnswrn's point was that
it was irresponsible to try and slog the first ball from a new bowler. 'Taking
on a new bowler' is very different from a blind slog off the first ball faced.
The usual practice when facing any new bowler is to watch what the ball
does. In this case, the wicket was expected to turn, spinner introduced for
the first time and your team is batting first. The reasonable thing is to play
the first ball cautiously to get a measure of the conditions. The bowler can
be 'taken on' after that judgement has been made. It's almost as stupid as
going for a flashy drive outside off on the first ball of a test match in
swinging/seaming conditions - you have no idea what the ball and pitch
is going to do.

- Gussie

 
 
 

Autralian team made a mistake.

Post by Mad Hami » Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:54:13


Quote:




>>>>But I think the turning point of the game was Hayden's dismissal.
>>>>Essentially Australia's only hope on turning pitches, he mis-judged the ball
>>>>badly.

>>>Hayden must have remembered the reams of paper which printed his ability to
>>>play spin well and the way he smashed Indian spinners.

>>>He faces the first ball from Aravinda and wanted to whack it.

>>Fair enough really, they were 0-49 after not too many overs. Taking on
>>the new bowler was fair enough. It didn't come off this time but that
>>doesn't mean it wasn't a reasonable thing to try.

>If you read between the lines, you'll realise that balvgnswrn's point was that
>it was irresponsible to try and slog the first ball from a new bowler. 'Taking
>on a new bowler' is very different from a blind slog off the first ball faced.

blind slog huh?
going down the pitch to the ball is always a blind slog is it?

Quote:
>The usual practice when facing any new bowler is to watch what the ball
>does. In this case, the wicket was expected to turn, spinner introduced for
>the first time and your team is batting first. The reasonable thing is to play
>the first ball cautiously to get a measure of the conditions.

Such as getting to the pitch of the ball?

Quote:
> The bowler can
>be 'taken on' after that judgement has been made. It's almost as stupid as
>going for a flashy drive outside off on the first ball of a test match in
>swinging/seaming conditions - you have no idea what the ball and pitch
>is going to do.

a) ask Trumper or Macartney what they liked doing to the first ball
b) it's not a test match, it's a one dayer.
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws

 
 
 

Autralian team made a mistake.

Post by samarth harish sha » Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:05:32

<snip>

Quote:
> a) ask Trumper or Macartney what they liked doing to the first ball

Sure. Where/when can I talk to them?

-Samarth.

Quote:
> b) it's not a test match, it's a one dayer.
> --
> "Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
> Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

> Mad Hamish
> Hamish Laws