Indian Pace Bowlers don't mature fast enough

Indian Pace Bowlers don't mature fast enough

Post by India » Thu, 09 May 1996 04:00:00


Hi,
Don't you all think that India needs to recruit pace  bowlers at an early
age? Prasad is hitting 27 and Ankola is 28 already with Srinath still not
mature enough at 26.
I guess Indian pace bowlers take lot of time to mature unlike pakistani
pacers like Waqar and Aqib and Akram who started playing for Pak in their
***s and also matured in one or two series and are now renowned pace
bowlers at the age of around 25.
Any new opinions or comments?

Bye,
Shridhar.

 
 
 

Indian Pace Bowlers don't mature fast enough

Post by Dipak Ba » Fri, 10 May 1996 04:00:00

Don't agree!  Talent will win out early.  Kapil and Desai both came on the
scene in their ***s and were established bowlers in their early
twenties.  Srinath IMHO *is* pretty established (remember his last years'
county cricket performance?) and takes 3-4 wickets regularly in ODIs.  And
Srinath has been around at least for 5 years, only Kapil, Manoj and Chetan
were in the way of his getting into tests.

Players like Prasad, Vaidya and the long long list of stopgap fast bowlers
India has "produced" are usually picked on the basis of performance in the
recent season or the Irani Trophy to fill a second or third slot (used to
be first slot before Kapil) and go nowhere.  These bowlers,usually have
been with a state team for a while and so older.

BTW, how old is Paras Mhambrey?  I'm convinced he has a bright future.

Dipak.

Quote:

> Hi,
> Don't you all think that India needs to recruit pace  bowlers at an early
> age? Prasad is hitting 27 and Ankola is 28 already with Srinath still not
> mature enough at 26.
> I guess Indian pace bowlers take lot of time to mature unlike pakistani
> pacers like Waqar and Aqib and Akram who started playing for Pak in their
> ***s and also matured in one or two series and are now renowned pace
> bowlers at the age of around 25.
> Any new opinions or comments?

> Bye,
> Shridhar.


 
 
 

Indian Pace Bowlers don't mature fast enough

Post by Faez Nasrudin Kais » Sat, 11 May 1996 04:00:00

: Hi,
: Don't you all think that India needs to recruit pace  bowlers at an early
: age? Prasad is hitting 27 and Ankola is 28 already with Srinath still not
: mature enough at 26.
: I guess Indian pace bowlers take lot of time to mature unlike pakistani
: pacers like Waqar and Aqib and Akram who started playing for Pak in their
: ***s and also matured in one or two series and are now renowned pace
: bowlers at the age of around 25.
: Any new opinions or comments?

Interesting point. If you take a look at the best fast bowlers at the moment,
they mostly began playing at a young age and matured into top-class players
by 25-26. The examples above are valid, and you can add Ian Bishop,
Ambrose and McDermott. India have brought along Srinath nicely, but he
has 50 or so test wickets (at a high average) when Waqar and Wasim had 150+
at a similar age.

It is hard to characterise India's problems. Players like Atul Wassan
and Vivek Razdan were once bright yound stars but simply did not have
the ability or temperament to make the grade in test cricket. Or could it
be that the selectors should have persisted with them for one more series ?

I am in favour of bringing on younger players rather than using older
players like Prasad, Mhambrey and Ankola. Even if one of these players
does establish himself, he is good for three or four years at the most.
However, will the younger players do any better than Wassan and Razdan
and establish themselves for eight to ten years ?

Pakistan probably encourages their young fast bowlers and Imran did
manage to establish a fast bowling cult. Kapil, for all his greatness,
never inspired the same frenzy in young Indian bowlers, and herein lies
the difference.

Before promoting youngsters, you have to create an environment in which to
develop them. This is where India is lacking, not in maturity.

        Regards,
                Faez

--

Electrical Engineering                http://SportToday.org/~nasrudin
University of Maryland at College Park

 
 
 

Indian Pace Bowlers don't mature fast enough

Post by Zito Skeet » Sat, 11 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Hi,
>Don't you all think that India needs to recruit pace  bowlers at an early
>age? Prasad is hitting 27 and Ankola is 28 already with Srinath still not
>mature enough at 26.
>I guess Indian pace bowlers take lot of time to mature unlike pakistani
>pacers like Waqar and Aqib and Akram who started playing for Pak in their
>***s and also matured in one or two series and are now renowned pace
>bowlers at the age of around 25.
>Any new opinions or comments?

>Bye,
>Shridhar.

Also the ground played an important part. In West Indies and Austrialia for
example, the grounds tend to be hard and it assist in the development of the
bowling action. Thought, I do not know much about the grounds in Pakistan.

Cheers,
Zito.

 
 
 

Indian Pace Bowlers don't mature fast enough

Post by Sadiq Yus » Sat, 11 May 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>BTW, how old is Paras Mhambrey?  I'm convinced he has a bright future.

        Born 10/6/1972. Thusly 23 years old as of the moment,will be 24
late in this tour. The best of the younger generation - the only other
real contender of that generation at the moment is David Johnson, I
think.

Quote:
>Dipak.


>> Hi,
>> Don't you all think that India needs to recruit pace  bowlers at an early
>> age? Prasad is hitting 27 and Ankola is 28 already with Srinath still not
>> mature enough at 26.

        Srinath will hit 27 in 3 months, too, BTW :-)

                        Sadiq [ checking ages ] Yusuf

Quote:
>> Bye,
>> Shridhar.

--
Sadiq Yusuf

 
 
 

Indian Pace Bowlers don't mature fast enough

Post by Mike Holman » Mon, 20 May 1996 04:00:00

Sadiq Yusuf commented:

Quote:

> >BTW, how old is Paras Mhambrey?  I'm convinced he has a bright future.
>       Born 10/6/1972. Thusly 23 years old as of the moment,will be 24
> late in this tour. The best of the younger generation - the only other
> real contender of that generation at the moment is David Johnson, I
> think.

Who? Funny name for an Indian (see subject line). Do you mean Richard
Johnson (Middx) (b 29.12.74)? Who is indeed good.

But Dominic Cork's only 24, so where do you draw the generational line?

Mike "heard John Emburey wittering on about Ally Smith of Surrey on the
radio this morning" Holmans

_________________________________________________________________
At various moments of the Test Match TV commentary, I swear I heard
Geoff Boycott complain that a batsman was boring and David Gower that
someone had got out to an irresponsible shot. The heat must have been
doing strange things to the imagination.  - Matthew Engel, Wisden 1996

 
 
 

Indian Pace Bowlers don't mature fast enough

Post by Vishal Mis » Mon, 20 May 1996 04:00:00

    Mike> Sadiq Yusuf commented:

    >> Mhambrey?  I'm convinced he has a bright future.  Born
    >> 10/6/1972. Thusly 23 years old as of the moment,will be 24 late
    >> in this tour. The best of the younger generation - the only
    >> other real contender of that generation at the moment is David
    >> Johnson, I think.

    Mike> Who? Funny name for an Indian (see subject line). Do you

Is "Mark Ramprakash" a funny name for an Englishman? Or is "Nasser
Husaain" funny? Was "Roger Michael Humphrey Binny" a "funny name" for
an Indian? Just checking.

-Vishal

 
 
 

Indian Pace Bowlers don't mature fast enough

Post by Kirren Dharam » Wed, 22 May 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>Mike "heard John Emburey wittering on about Ally Smith of Surrey on the
>radio this morning" Holmans

Hey which radio station was that on?  I think Ally is just what
England need, a good pinch hitter, not a make shift one. For example
Neil Smith, he did quite well, but it isn't his normal job. For Ally
he has had loads of practice and he always thrives on the big
occasion. I really am looking forward to the first onedayer, it should
be a high scoring match if the previous matches at the Oval are
anything to go by.
Salaams

Kirren Dharamsi


 
 
 

Indian Pace Bowlers don't mature fast enough

Post by John Hal » Thu, 23 May 1996 04:00:00



Quote:


>>Mike "heard John Emburey wittering on about Ally Smith of Surrey on the
>>radio this morning" Holmans

>Hey which radio station was that on?

Radio 5. The point that Mike was makinh was that Emburey had got Ally
Brown's namne wrong, of course.

Quote:
>  I think Ally is just what
>England need, a good pinch hitter, not a make shift one. For example
>Neil Smith, he did quite well, but it isn't his normal job. For Ally
>he has had loads of practice and he always thrives on the big
>occasion. I really am looking forward to the first onedayer, it should
>be a high scoring match if the previous matches at the Oval are
>anything to go by.

As a Surrey supporter, I'm naturally a big Brown fan. I hope he shows a
wider audience what he is capable of.
--
The covers of this book are too far apart.  
 Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)
 
 
 

Indian Pace Bowlers don't mature fast enough

Post by Sadiq Yus » Fri, 24 May 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>Sadiq Yusuf commented:

>> >BTW, how old is Paras Mhambrey?  I'm convinced he has a bright future.
>>       Born 10/6/1972. Thusly 23 years old as of the moment,will be 24
>> late in this tour. The best of the younger generation - the only other
>> real contender of that generation at the moment is David Johnson, I
>> think.

>Who? Funny name for an Indian (see subject line).

        Not at all :-) He's *probably* anglo-Indian, not sure. And his
name *is* David Johnson. He's from Karnataka, the same state that gave
India Roger Michael Humphrey Binny :-)
        (BTW, if youre looking for a funny name for an Indian, we have a
pace bowling contender who some think should have gotten a chance a
while ago. A former India Under 19 star, named Ashish Winston Zaidi - I
havent met anyone yet who is sure what *his* origins are :-)

Quote:
>Do you mean Richard
>Johnson (Middx) (b 29.12.74)? Who is indeed good.

        Nope, dont. And yes, Richard is good - though not very fast, is
he ? A sort of Fraser type, who isnt as good as the old Fraser yet. So
Ive heard, anyway - I only saw him in the nets in Bombay for about a
half hour, when he was touring with England A.

Quote:
>But Dominic Cork's only 24, so where do you draw the generational line?

        At about 24 or so, really, I'd think :-) Apart from Mhambrey and
Johnson mentioned, all the other Indian contenders are about 27 or older
(Srinath, Prasad, Ankola, Kuruvilla, Vaidya, Chetan etc).

Quote:
>Mike "heard John Emburey wittering on about Ally Smith of Surrey on the
>radio this morning" Holmans

        Huh. How old is Ally, again ?

    Sadiq [ worried about the Indian pace bowling future ] Yusuf  

Quote:
>_________________________________________________________________
>At various moments of the Test Match TV commentary, I swear I heard
>Geoff Boycott complain that a batsman was boring and David Gower that
>someone had got out to an irresponsible shot. The heat must have been
>doing strange things to the imagination.  - Matthew Engel, Wisden 1996

--
Sadiq Yusuf