by Sanjeev Sayeerama » Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:00:00
by samarth harish sha » Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:00:00
-Samarth.
by cricketwal.. » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:08:15
> > I think srikanth deserves a chance.. he didnt do too badly with the
A
> > team.. surely we couldnt do any worse than we are doing right now..
> Where is Lele from? Where is Gaekwad from? Now put 2 and 2 together
and
> get 22. :-)
Sadiq [ who notes 6 TN players in 23 probables :-) ] Yusuf
by samarth harish sha » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00
In any case, the "sabse bada khiladi" is Dalmiya. Nobody is as powerful as
him.
2. Bombay also have 7 players in the probables: Tendulkar - equal to
5 players - and Kambli and Agarkar. ;-)
3. After the treatment meted out to D. Vasu, Sunil Subramaniam, Robin
Singh, W.V. Raman and S. Sharath, I'd say TN deserves this.
4. We have seen what Bombay stars like Kambli, Mhambrey, Kulkarni,
Bahutule, Dighe, Paranjpe, Wasim Jaffer and "all-rounder" Agarkar have
done in the Indian team in the last 4 years. Not one long term prospect. A
few heartening early ODI performances from Aggy, ONE good knock by Kambli
and a decent spell or two from Kuruvilla. That's abt all 9 or 10 Bombay
players have to show in the last 4 years.
Perhaps it's time to give a few TN guys a go. Maybe a Robin Singh or a S.
Ramesh might emerge from the flock. We have already seen how much those
two have contributed in comparison to the Bombay horde. Kumaran certainly
has done no worse than Mhambrey/Kulkarni/Bahutule in the opportunities
he's gotten so far. Hemang and Sriram have played only an ODI each, so I
will reserve comment on them. Heck, even Raman made more against RSA at
home than the Bombay opener in the Indian team made! Although, like
everyone else from Rathore to Gandhi, he sucked abroad in 1996-7.
-Samarth [ wondering if he's missed out anyone... ].
by Slowhan » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00
> 4. We have seen what Bombay stars like Kambli, Mhambrey, Kulkarni,
> Bahutule, Dighe, Paranjpe, Wasim Jaffer and "all-rounder" Agarkar have
> done in the Indian team in the last 4 years. Not one long term prospect.
A
> few heartening early ODI performances from Aggy, ONE good knock by Kambli
> and a decent spell or two from Kuruvilla. That's abt all 9 or 10 Bombay
> players have to show in the last 4 years.
Slowhand
by Lenin Mara » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00
> > > I think srikanth deserves a chance.. he didnt do too badly with
the
> A
> > > team.. surely we couldnt do any worse than we are doing right
now..
> > Where is Lele from? Where is Gaekwad from? Now put 2 and 2 together
> and
> > get 22. :-)
> Yeah, but Muttiah is more powerful. And where is he from? Where is
> Srikkant from? :-)
> Sadiq [ who notes 6 TN players in 23 probables :-) ] Yusuf
> > -Samarth.
As far as the 6 TN players maybe other then Kumaran all others deserve
a chance.
Of course the final 14/11 will be different story.
Besides these things have been going on forever and will continue on
forever.
I am sure if you were in AM's position you will have Amol, Dighe,
Jatin, Jaffer, Paras instead and that would make it 7(including the 3
already in).
Of course you would supplement these with long posts justifying them as
well.
--
Peace,
Lenin
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by pancha.. » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00
> > Yeah, but Muttiah is more powerful. And where is he from? Where is
> > Srikkant from? :-)
> Now that Gaekwad has become coach ahead of Srikkanth, do you *still*
think
> Muttiah is more powerful? ;-)
> In any case, the "sabse bada khiladi" is Dalmiya. Nobody is as
powerful as
> him.
> > Sadiq [ who notes 6 TN players in 23 probables :-) ] Yusuf
> 1. Yeah, 'cos we're *probably* the most balanced and talented young
*team*
> in India, at least batting-wise. (One man armies not included.)
> 2. Bombay also have 7 players in the probables: Tendulkar - equal to
> 5 players - and Kambli and Agarkar. ;-)
> 3. After the treatment meted out to D. Vasu, Sunil Subramaniam, Robin
> Singh, W.V. Raman and S. Sharath, I'd say TN deserves this.
> 4. We have seen what Bombay stars like Kambli, Mhambrey, Kulkarni,
> Bahutule, Dighe, Paranjpe, Wasim Jaffer and "all-rounder" Agarkar have
> done in the Indian team in the last 4 years. Not one long term
prospect. A
> few heartening early ODI performances from Aggy, ONE good knock by
Kambli
> and a decent spell or two from Kuruvilla. That's abt all 9 or 10
Bombay
> players have to show in the last 4 years.
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by Gautham » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00
> And the best ever from TN I have seen is S. Ramesh who is not a
> finished product anyway IMO. That pretty much tells you everything about
> TN flock.
I also completely concur that we need to drop Srinath/Prasad for Mhambrey
instead.
Laters,
- gautham -
by samarth harish sha » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00
> > 4. We have seen what Bombay stars like Kambli, Mhambrey, Kulkarni,
> > Bahutule, Dighe, Paranjpe, Wasim Jaffer and "all-rounder" Agarkar have
> > done in the Indian team in the last 4 years. Not one long term prospect.
> A
> > few heartening early ODI performances from Aggy, ONE good knock by Kambli
> > and a decent spell or two from Kuruvilla. That's abt all 9 or 10 Bombay
> > players have to show in the last 4 years.
> You go, boy! Tell 'em like it is :-)
-Samarth.
by samarth harish sha » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00
<snip>
Say, Bombay produced Merchant in the 1930s, Manjrekar in the 50s, Gavaskar
in the 1970s and Tendulkar in the 90s. Perhaps we should give yet another
dozen or so Bombay players a go because of that. And because TN produced
mediocrities like TE Srinivasan and K Srikkanth in the decades gone by,
perhaps we should ban all TN players from playing for India.
-Samarth.
by Ravi Krishn » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00
RK-
"here comes thevdia pay**n to suck again. because of this MF our Dalvi
could never get a chance"
shouted someone from my stand on the first day of 1975 madras test
against WI when great AVMankad came out to bat.
"mankad !!!! well played"
shouted someone from the pavilion when he was returning back after
being bowled for zero in the 1977 Eng test
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by Ravi Krishn » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00
Shoaib Agarkar in early 00000s :-)
RK-
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by Sanjeev Sayeerama » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00
>And the best ever from TN I have seen is S. Ramesh who is not a
>finished product anyway IMO. That pretty much tells you everything
>about TN flock.
and a finished product in ur opinion is:
A> Olympian agarkar (o o o) B> Actor Kambli(boo hoo)
o o
c> Kuruvilla of the pace D> Mhambrey ( who?)
sahi jawab ko lock kiya jaye
use all ur lifelines too
Sanjeev[this one for the 1 crore]
by pancha.. » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00
> >And the best ever from TN I have seen is S. Ramesh who is not a
> >finished product anyway IMO. That pretty much tells you everything
> >about TN flock.
> and the best ever test bowler from Mumbai since I have been following
> test cricket is Ravi Shastri. However that does not tell you anything
> about Mumbai folks. They had Marshall Kuruvilla in early 90s and now
> Shoaib Agarkar in early 00s.
For all your criticism of Kuruvilla and Agarkar, the T series was/is
hardly exciting.
All in all, as I said to Gautham in other post, the ratio counts.
TN guys should take a hard and close look at their players before
asserting that they would have been/were better. They have sucked
most of the time in domestics.
PS:Although I think SRT would be the best bowler from mumbai if
he continues(and actually bowls more) to improve his leg-spin.
> "here comes thevdia pay**n to suck again. because of this MF our Dalvi
> could never get a chance"
> shouted someone from my stand on the first day of 1975 madras test
> against WI when great AVMankad came out to bat.
> "mankad !!!! well played"
> shouted someone from the pavilion when he was returning back after
> being bowled for zero in the 1977 Eng test
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by Ravi Krishn » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00
Whatever Ganguly is, he is better than Kambli by a mile in ODI and
slightly better than him in test cricket. Plus he is a far better
fielder. Just look at their figure.
Precisely this was the reason why A V Mankad was hated in Madras in
70s. Some guys I know actually wished he dies "unless he dies Dalvi
will not get any chance". And they have a reason. In 1969, AVM, GRV, MD
and Jimmy Amarnath were considered 4 bright batting talents. Jimmy
played one test and then disappeared for 7 yrs. GRV was too good to be
dropped. MD lost out to GRV for the SZ quota. But that does not mean
both can't play. Is there a law?
AVM started off well in 1969-70 but soon proved himself to be a ranji
dada. What irked madras folks was that he was repeatedly given chances
and he repeatedly shat. From 1969 to 1978 he played 22 test matches and
shat almost all the time. Their beef "why not give MD a chance. After
all Patudi told in 1969 "MD and GRV are technically most competent
batsmen in India today".
Great : SMG and SRT.
Sometimes good : DBV
Mediocre : RJS, SVM
less than mediocre or ***: All other.
[ little bit of hyerbole included ]
So, Mr. Samad Aziz from Aurangabad, just shut up.
In my life I never supported TN in cricket bcos I know that they were
(are) no great shakes. But one thing I hate more than anything else:-
Mumbai chauvinism in cricket.
Oh boy I loved when Mumbai folks were ranting about the injustice to
Kuruvilla in 1991-92. Remember the pendulum has to swing both ways
before it comes to rest.
Few more Kuru like case and I will be a totally satisified Mumbai
basher [ only in cricket. OW I love that city ]
RK-
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