by Rocky Raccoo » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00
> Thanks for coming, 'Cairnsy'. I look forward to watching your second spell
> go for at least as many.
> Sheesh... Strike Bowler indeed. Eating your overconfident words yet Bobs?
Strike Bowler Indeed.
> :)
> Regards
> Robbo
> ps. when NZ bat we'll see whether or not they're afraid of Lee - seems to me
> that after match 2 Trist's words in the media are a load of bollocks
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by Rocky Raccoo » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00
> Thanks for coming, 'Cairnsy'. I look forward to watching your second spell
> go for at least as many.
> Sheesh... Strike Bowler indeed. Eating your overconfident words yet Bobs?
Guess who did it ?
Eating your overconfident words yet robbo ?
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by robb » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00
Sheesh... Strike Bowler indeed. Eating your overconfident words yet Bobs?
:)
Regards
Robbo
ps. when NZ bat we'll see whether or not they're afraid of Lee - seems to me
that after match 2 Trist's words in the media are a load of bollocks
by David Blak » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00
>Sheesh... Strike Bowler indeed. Eating your overconfident words yet Bobs?
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by Luke Horn » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00
> > Thanks for coming, 'Cairnsy'. I look forward to watching your second
spell
> > go for at least as many.
> > Sheesh... Strike Bowler indeed. Eating your overconfident words yet
Bobs?
> SR Waugh retired hurt 43 (32b 5x4 0x6)
> Guess who did it ?
> Eating your overconfident words yet robbo ?
> --
> regards,
> Shiva
> http://www.slack.net/~shiva/
by David Blak » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00
>> Thanks for coming, 'Cairnsy'. I look forward to watching your second spell
>> go for at least as many.
>> Sheesh... Strike Bowler indeed. Eating your overconfident words yet Bobs?
> SR Waugh retired hurt 43 (32b 5x4 0x6)
>Guess who did it ?
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by bobs » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00
> Sheesh... Strike Bowler indeed. Eating your overconfident words yet Bobs?
Anyway, I think you have the wrong person. I never denied that McGrath is the
better bowler. I just think Cairns is the better cricketer.
> :)
> Regards
> Robbo
> ps. when NZ bat we'll see whether or not they're afraid of Lee - seems to me
> that after match 2 Trist's words in the media are a load of bollocks
by robb » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00
> > Sheesh... Strike Bowler indeed. Eating your overconfident words yet
Bobs?
> So, how did Fleming, McGrath, Lee and Symonds bowl today? Care to compare
Nope, can't be bothered. Fleming bowled pretty poorly. Lee was edged
backwards of the wicket for a number of runs then blasted out Parore to end
any resistance. McGrath was superb (as usual). Symonds was plundered ala
Chris Cairns, but then again he's in the team for his batting mainly and
punished the NZ bowling to prove this.
Regards
Robbo
by bobs » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00
> Cairns is in the team as an all rounder, McGrath is in the team as a bowler.
> McGrath's record as a bowler is superior to Cairns' as an allrounder
> (compare McGrath's record to other great fast bowlers then Cairns' to other
> allrounders e.g. Botham, Sobers, Khan, Dev, even Hadlee). Therefore I would
> say McGrath is the better bowler.
Cairns is the better cricketer though IMO.
> Regards
> Robbo
by Mike Holma » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00
>> Cairns is in the team as an all rounder, McGrath is in the team as a bowler.
>> McGrath's record as a bowler is superior to Cairns' as an allrounder
>> (compare McGrath's record to other great fast bowlers then Cairns' to other
>> allrounders e.g. Botham, Sobers, Khan, Dev, even Hadlee). Therefore I would
>> say McGrath is the better bowler.
>Which is just what I said 20mins ago. McGrath is the better bowler. What idiot
>denied this?
If Robbo wants to continue with his comparisons by using ODI form as a
guide to likely Test performances, then I wish him the best of luck,
and look forward to his advocacy of Australia's best ODI batsman for
the Test side, as I'm sure Michael Bevan will be a great success.
Cheers,
Mike
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by Mike Holma » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00
>> >Which is just what I said 20mins ago. McGrath is the better bowler. What idiot
>> >denied this?
>> Me, sort of. I have been pointing out that over the last 12 months
>> Cairns has an almost identical bowling record in Tests to that of
>> McGrath over the same period. I haven't said that Cairns is a better
>> bowler than McGrath, mostly because I don't think he is, but on
>> current form there isn't that much to choose between them.
>Yes, but I'm talking about their entire careers. So Robbo is obviously spouting a
>load a ***then.
I'm not very keen on using entire careers for this sort of thing,
because they give undue weight to irrelevant performances.
At the beginning of the 1984 season, Botham's career Test bowling
average 1977-84 was 25.59. His average over the previous two years, ie
1982-84, was 36.11.
His average over the whole of the period 1982-92 was 36.45.
Which of the two figures, his career average or his previous-two-years
average, was more typical of the bowler he was in 1984?
In the mid-80s, Gatting averaged around 70 on a two-year basis while
his career average was in the 30s. Which figure was more indicative of
his value to England *at the time*?
For a Kiwi especially to want to use career figures seems very silly.
With the relatively small pool of talent available, your players are
likely to have to start in Test cricket before they are really ready
for it, and they are also likely to have to play on past their natural
sell-by date for lack of any alternatives. In other words, Kiwis get
10-year careers when they'd have only had their best six years if
they'd been Australian or Windian where there's more competition for
places. A substantial proportion of their careers are thus when they
aren't really good enough. No wonder their career figures suck,
although their figures during their productive periods could well
stand comparison with lots of more highly-regarded players.
Cheers,
Mike
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by bobs » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00
> >Which is just what I said 20mins ago. McGrath is the better bowler. What idiot
> >denied this?
> Me, sort of. I have been pointing out that over the last 12 months
> Cairns has an almost identical bowling record in Tests to that of
> McGrath over the same period. I haven't said that Cairns is a better
> bowler than McGrath, mostly because I don't think he is, but on
> current form there isn't that much to choose between them.
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by David Blak » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00
>> Thanks for coming, 'Cairnsy'. I look forward to watching your second spell
>> go for at least as many.
>> Sheesh... Strike Bowler indeed. Eating your overconfident words yet Bobs?
>So, how did Fleming, McGrath, Lee and Symonds bowl today? Care to compare stats?
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