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>>>> Waugh was a sook as a player when things were not going his way, looks
>>>> like nothing has changed in retirement.

>>> I beg your pardon?? One's free to hold a view but calling Steve Waugh
>>> a sook is at once utterly risible and preposterous.

>> Why?

> Why what? Or do you also think it's okay to call one of the most gutsy
> and mentally tough cricketers of his generation a sook?

> Why what? Or do you also think it's okay to call one of the most gutsy
> and mentally tough cricketers of his generation a sook?

>>> He averages 45+ while Dhoni averages under 40. While I'm not, as you
>>> know, one for relying heavily on averages, that's a significant
>>> difference

>> difference to his overall average of 45+. But not as significant a
>> difference as the significant difference between that figure of Prior's and


>> a significant 50.2 v Eng/RSA/RotW. AND BAD'S NOT EVEN OUR #1 KEEPER. Matt
>> Wade will own Prior. Significantly.

>>> Prior is now a very fine keeper.

>> Land of Hope and Glorrry, Mother of the Freeee,
>> How shall we extol thee, very significantly...

>> alvey

> What a clown you are.

>> Prior is probably the best keeper-batsman in England's history and is

> I'd agree although a bit harsh on Stewart who despite his dire record
> in Oz, which was strange since his batting style best suited those
> sort of pitches, arguably faced better bowling attacks.

> Some interesting comments from Steve Waugh today: "I like the look of
> Phil Hughes, he's got something deep within him that makes him a long-
> term Test player", "I think England aren't as good as they think they
> are" and "I think it's about time where we could have one female
> player per Big Bash side. Going forward, I can't see why the girls
> can't have representation in the Big Bash"!

> Ramapriya

>> I don't know about "obviously" if you compare him with Dhoni. Prior's
>> clearly the better keeper, but - fine batsman though Prior is - Dhoni at
>> his best is a genius with the bat. So though overall one might give the
>> edge to Prior, I don't think it's obvious.

> No way is Dhoni a better bat than Prior notwithstanding Dhoni's 200.
> Prior is good enough to get into all current Test teams as a pure batsman.

> > No way is Dhoni a better bat than Prior notwithstanding Dhoni's 200.
> > Prior is good enough to get into all current Test teams as a pure batsman.

> Yes. ?I agree with that. ?He'd bat at $6 in just about any 2013 team you
> care to name objectively

> If you look at what Ames managed against and in Australian Prior has a
> pretty fair case.

> >> > >>Prior is probably the best keeper-batsman in England's history and
> >> > >>is obviously the best in the world at present.

> >I'm not sure if you can sustainably make the argument that Prior is
> >superior to Ames, although I note the 'probably' in Mike's initial
> >statement.

> Well, Prior's Test batting average is 45.5 to Ames's 40.5, so there's
> a statistical argument on the batting side. On the keeping side, Ames
> would have been proud of taking the catch Prior took off McCullum in
> the last Test. I've never heard of Ames being regarded in the top rank
> of keepers qua keepers, and I'd now regard Prior as being a top
> second-rank keeper too.

> If Prior has not yet overtaken Ames, which I happily concede he may
> not have done, he's currently on his shoulder and could well
> outdistance him in the not too distant future.

> Cheers,

> Mike
> --

> >He also named the Australian side as the worse to ever contest the
> >Ashes which is most probably true even through they haven't
> >named it yet

> Unfortunately there's something of a tradition of English cricket
> writers/commentators doing that before almost every tour of England by
> Australia, after which they proceed to beat us. For obvious reasons the
> tradition lapsed in the 1990s, but it certainly happened in 1989.
> --
> John Hall

> >> Unfortunately there's something of a tradition of English cricket
> >> writers/commentators doing that before almost every tour of England by
> >> Australia, after which they proceed to beat us. For obvious reasons the
> >> tradition lapsed in the 1990s, but it certainly happened in 1989.

> > The Daily Telegraph cricket book said (before the '89 series) that it could be looked forward to with "guarded pessimism" by England, noting that someone at some point would call this the worst Australian team ever to tour England, which would spur them on.

> Allan Border (captain)
> Geoff Marsh (vice captain)
> Terry Alderman
> David Boon
> Greg Campbell
> Ian Healy
> Trevor Hohns
> Merv Hughes
> Dean Jones
> Geoff Lawson
> Tim May
> Tom Moody
> Carl Rackemann
> Mark Taylor
> Michael Veletta
> Steve Waugh
> Tim Zoehrer

> Without doubt the batting strength of the 89 squad will lap the current
> team.

> But the pace bowling of the current team will be far superior but the
> spin attack loses out badly

>> He averages 45+ while Dhoni averages under 40. While I'm not, as you
>> know, one for relying heavily on averages, that's a significant
>> difference

>difference to his overall average of 45+. But not as significant a
>difference as the significant difference between that figure of Prior's and


>a significant 50.2 v Eng/RSA/RotW. AND BAD'S NOT EVEN OUR #1 KEEPER. Matt
>Wade will own Prior. Significantly.      

>> Prior is now a very fine keeper.

>Land of Hope and Glorrry, Mother of the Freeee,
>How shall we extol thee, very significantly...

>alvey

> > Why what? Or do you also think it's okay to call one of the most gutsy
> > and mentally tough cricketers of his generation a sook?

> Gutsy & mentally tough eh? Characteristics that you'd expect to show in the
> 4th innings of a match.

> SRW contempories 4th innings averages:

> Hayen = 49.5
> Langer = 40.5
> Punter = 50.4
> MEW = 41.0
> Martyn = 27.2
> Gilcrist = 35.4

> SRW ?= 25.5. Fail.

> alvey

> > To be able to succeed in I4 is a skill set, period. That blokes such
> > as SRT and SRW don't possess it as much as some others doesn't
> > necessarily = they're sooks.

> Who called SRW a sook because of his 4th inning performance?