Nice one Ian

Nice one Ian

Post by CaraMi » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:03:42



Quote:



>>>> Waugh was a sook as a player when things were not going his way, looks
>>>> like nothing has changed in retirement.

>>> I beg your pardon?? One's free to hold a view but calling Steve Waugh
>>> a sook is at once utterly risible and preposterous.

>> Why?

> Why what? Or do you also think it's okay to call one of the most gutsy
> and mentally tough cricketers of his generation a sook?

These aren't exclusive - You can be gutsy and mentally tough on the
field and still be a sook during the end of the day interviews.
 
 
 

Nice one Ian

Post by alve » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 14:16:59

Quote:

> Why what? Or do you also think it's okay to call one of the most gutsy
> and mentally tough cricketers of his generation a sook?

Gutsy & mentally tough eh? Characteristics that you'd expect to show in the
4th innings of a match.

SRW contempories 4th innings averages:

Hayen = 49.5
Langer = 40.5
Punter = 50.4
MEW = 41.0
Martyn = 27.2
Gilcrist = 35.4

SRW  = 25.5. Fail.

alvey

 
 
 

Nice one Ian

Post by alve » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 14:22:48

Quote:



>>> He averages 45+ while Dhoni averages under 40. While I'm not, as you
>>> know, one for relying heavily on averages, that's a significant
>>> difference


>> difference to his overall average of 45+. But not as significant a
>> difference as the significant difference between that figure of Prior's and


>> a significant 50.2 v Eng/RSA/RotW. AND BAD'S NOT EVEN OUR #1 KEEPER. Matt
>> Wade will own Prior. Significantly.

>>> Prior is now a very fine keeper.

>> Land of Hope and Glorrry, Mother of the Freeee,
>> How shall we extol thee, very significantly...

>> alvey

> What a clown you are.

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alvey

 
 
 

Nice one Ian

Post by sdavmo » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:32:29


Quote:

>> Prior is probably the best keeper-batsman in England's history and is

> I'd agree although a bit harsh on Stewart who despite his dire record
> in Oz, which was strange since his batting style best suited those
> sort of pitches, arguably faced better bowling attacks.

> Some interesting comments from Steve Waugh today: "I like the look of
> Phil Hughes, he's got something deep within him that makes him a long-
> term Test player", "I think England aren't as good as they think they
> are" and "I think it's about time where we could have one female
> player per Big Bash side. Going forward, I can't see why the girls
> can't have representation in the Big Bash"!

> Ramapriya

I think Steve Waugh's been at my oldest son's massive mary-jane stash.
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Nice one Ian

Post by sdavmo » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:36:04


Quote:



>>> Prior is probably the best keeper-batsman in England's history and
>>> is obviously the best in the world at present.

>> I don't know about "obviously" if you compare him with Dhoni. Prior's
>> clearly the better keeper, but - fine batsman though Prior is - Dhoni at
>> his best is a genius with the bat. So though overall one might give the
>> edge to Prior, I don't think it's obvious.

> No way is Dhoni a better bat than Prior notwithstanding Dhoni's 200.
> Prior is good enough to get into all current Test teams as a pure batsman.

Yes.  I agree with that.  He'd bat at $6 in just about any 2013 team you
care to name objectively
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Nice one Ian

Post by Ojas » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:14:18


Quote:

> > No way is Dhoni a better bat than Prior notwithstanding Dhoni's 200.
> > Prior is good enough to get into all current Test teams as a pure batsman.

> Yes. ?I agree with that. ?He'd bat at $6 in just about any 2013 team you
> care to name objectively

I can sense a BPL contract in the near future.

Ojas

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Nice one Ian

Post by eusebiu » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:36:08

On Mar 30, 9:08?am, Mad Hamish

Quote:

> On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 06:00:45 -0700 (PDT), eusebius
> >I'm not sure if you can sustainably make the argument that Prior is
> >superior to Ames, although I note the 'probably' in Mike's initial
> >statement.

> If you look at what Ames managed against and in Australian Prior has a
> pretty fair case.

I think you'd have to say that Prior faced considerably weaker
Australian bowling.
 
 
 

Nice one Ian

Post by eusebiu » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:37:23


Quote:
> Who is this Ian?

I am guessing that this is Both 'o 'em
 
 
 

Nice one Ian

Post by eusebiu » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:42:38


Quote:
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 06:00:45 -0700 (PDT), eusebius


> >> > >>Prior is probably the best keeper-batsman in England's history and
> >> > >>is obviously the best in the world at present.

> >I'm not sure if you can sustainably make the argument that Prior is
> >superior to Ames, although I note the 'probably' in Mike's initial
> >statement.

> Well, Prior's Test batting average is 45.5 to Ames's 40.5, so there's
> a statistical argument on the batting side. On the keeping side, Ames
> would have been proud of taking the catch Prior took off McCullum in
> the last Test. I've never heard of Ames being regarded in the top rank
> of keepers qua keepers, and I'd now regard Prior as being a top
> second-rank keeper too.

> If Prior has not yet overtaken Ames, which I happily concede he may
> not have done, he's currently on his shoulder and could well
> outdistance him in the not too distant future.

> Cheers,

> Mike
> --

I haven't watched much England based cricket lately, obviously Prior
has made huge strides, he always was worth his place as a batsman
alone. Ames may not have been first choice keeper when he started, but
most references I've read name him as very safe, with occasional
brilliance standing up (certainly Freeman gave him lots of
opportunities for Kent). He was considered outstanding in taking
'Tich. It seems that the general opinion was that England lost very
little behind the stumps in Ames over Duckworth once Ames became
established. Of course Ames tends to be outrated (on keeping alone) by
Oldfield and later Tallon.
 
 
 

Nice one Ian

Post by eusebiu » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:46:41


Quote:


> >He also named the Australian side as the worse to ever contest the
> >Ashes which is most probably true even through they haven't
> >named it yet

> Unfortunately there's something of a tradition of English cricket
> writers/commentators doing that before almost every tour of England by
> Australia, after which they proceed to beat us. For obvious reasons the
> tradition lapsed in the 1990s, but it certainly happened in 1989.
> --
> John Hall

Denied by some on this group ( I won't mention any names, I prefer to
let stinking dogs lie). This is not the worst team ever to tour, 1912
and 1985 are at least equally bad. I can't throw any more superlatives
or hyperbole than that, my apathy gene has just kicked in.
 
 
 

Nice one Ian

Post by eusebiu » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:52:48


Quote:


> >> Unfortunately there's something of a tradition of English cricket
> >> writers/commentators doing that before almost every tour of England by
> >> Australia, after which they proceed to beat us. For obvious reasons the
> >> tradition lapsed in the 1990s, but it certainly happened in 1989.

> > The Daily Telegraph cricket book said (before the '89 series) that it could be looked forward to with "guarded pessimism" by England, noting that someone at some point would call this the worst Australian team ever to tour England, which would spur them on.

> Allan Border (captain)
> Geoff Marsh (vice captain)
> Terry Alderman
> David Boon
> Greg Campbell
> Ian Healy
> Trevor Hohns
> Merv Hughes
> Dean Jones
> Geoff Lawson
> Tim May
> Tom Moody
> Carl Rackemann
> Mark Taylor
> Michael Veletta
> Steve Waugh
> Tim Zoehrer

> Without doubt the batting strength of the 89 squad will lap the current
> team.

> But the pace bowling of the current team will be far superior but the
> spin attack loses out badly

Thank you for your latest drivel. Pace bowling far superior? Lawson
wasn't at his best, but Alderman was an absolute master in English
conditions. Alderman, Rackemann (who hardly played due to injury),
Lawson and even Hughes were consistent bowlers, something the current
crop and their coaches could do well to try to emulate (barring
Siddle, who is pretty consistent, without being super penetrative.
Still in English conditions, regardless of era, I would take Alderman
over him any day). Spin attack loses badly? Lyons has improved and is
hardly outshone by Hohns (although May became quite a reasonable
performer, however he didn't play a test in 89)
 
 
 

Nice one Ian

Post by Luke Curti » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:59:26



Quote:

>> He averages 45+ while Dhoni averages under 40. While I'm not, as you
>> know, one for relying heavily on averages, that's a significant
>> difference


>difference to his overall average of 45+. But not as significant a
>difference as the significant difference between that figure of Prior's and


>a significant 50.2 v Eng/RSA/RotW. AND BAD'S NOT EVEN OUR #1 KEEPER. Matt
>Wade will own Prior. Significantly.      

Priors last 2 innings against Aus were 85 and 118.

Quote:

>> Prior is now a very fine keeper.

>Land of Hope and Glorrry, Mother of the Freeee,
>How shall we extol thee, very significantly...

>alvey

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Nice one Ian

Post by D Ramapriy » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 22:15:52


Quote:

> > Why what? Or do you also think it's okay to call one of the most gutsy
> > and mentally tough cricketers of his generation a sook?

> Gutsy & mentally tough eh? Characteristics that you'd expect to show in the
> 4th innings of a match.

> SRW contempories 4th innings averages:

> Hayen = 49.5
> Langer = 40.5
> Punter = 50.4
> MEW = 41.0
> Martyn = 27.2
> Gilcrist = 35.4

> SRW ?= 25.5. Fail.

> alvey

It's dodgy when one tries to link numerical success with attributes
such as gutsiness or toughness. Allan Border averaged 34 in I4 but if
you believe that either MEW or Langer were tougher than him because of
their better figures, let's agree to disagree.

To be able to succeed in I4 is a skill set, period. That blokes such
as SRT and SRW don't possess it as much as some others doesn't
necessarily = they're sooks.

Ramapriya

 
 
 

Nice one Ian

Post by CaraMi » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 22:51:53


Quote:
> To be able to succeed in I4 is a skill set, period. That blokes such
> as SRT and SRW don't possess it as much as some others doesn't
> necessarily = they're sooks.

Who called SRW a sook because of his 4th inning performance?
 
 
 

Nice one Ian

Post by D Ramapriy » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 23:47:49


Quote:

> > To be able to succeed in I4 is a skill set, period. That blokes such
> > as SRT and SRW don't possess it as much as some others doesn't
> > necessarily = they're sooks.

> Who called SRW a sook because of his 4th inning performance?

I was replying the "Gutsy & mentally tough eh? Characteristics that
you'd expect to show in the 4th innings of a match" bit. There was
also a "Waugh was a sook as a player when things were not going his
way" remark earlier in the thread.

Ramapriya