Azharuddin

Azharuddin

Post by anil k go » Thu, 28 Apr 1994 22:44:19


   Of course, it is sad to see his blame the fall of Bedade's
   wicket for the loss. Smacks of insecurity.

Umm... I dunno about that. I interpreted him to be saying that the fall of
Bedade's wicket was the last chance India had of winning the match. He did
blame batting collapse for the defeat, didn't he? That would seem to
indicate putting the blame on more than one batsman...

 
 
 

Azharuddin

Post by Vishal Mis » Fri, 29 Apr 1994 11:01:29

Aren't we going a little overboard here? All Azhar said was that the
turning point was when Bedade fell - he isn't blaming Bedade from the
sound of it - in fact it is high praise if he considered a guy playing
his third international innings could guide India to victory against
Pakistan. So all you Azhar baiters - relax..
                                                -Vishal

 
 
 

Azharuddin

Post by pvem.. » Sun, 01 May 1994 01:32:46

Quote:
>        IMO the best line is to remove whatever
>        insecurity he might have by giving him a long term
>        contract, and including regular tutorials in the
>        deal. What are the chances of this happening? Sadly,
>        I don't think very much.

** Or, why not simply remove him from the captaincy once and for all? :-)
   That way 1) *all* his pangs of insecurity will be removed 2) Indian
   fans won't be subjected to 4 (<groan>) excruciatingly long years of
   torture under his captaincy :-) To add further, I suggest all those
   interested send the honorary (and esteemed :-)) Srimathi Jayalalitha
   a note requesting her to *officially* ask Srikkant (yes, the dashing
   opener from Madras to "unretire". No, on a serious note, Azhar's
   captaincy in the final was failry impressive and I for one would be
   really interested to see how he copes with the pressure when India
   play the mighty (no, Venky, not trying to appease you :-)) Windies.

Cheers........Harish[a *huge* fan of Srikkanth]

 
 
 

Azharuddin

Post by Badrish Davanage » Sun, 01 May 1994 06:23:16

Later....

--Prakash--

Quote:

>Cheers........Harish[a *huge* fan of Srikkanth]

 
 
 

Azharuddin

Post by Vishal Mis » Sat, 30 Apr 1994 02:42:55

    Manuvir> You are right in that Azhar appears to be talking about
    Manuvir> Bedade's wicket, not Bedade. However, he also says, and I
    Manuvir> quote: "had he stayed another 30 runs we would have got
    Manuvir> our target". The distinction you are making so much of is
    Manuvir> fine at best, and imaginary at worst. Read the article
    Manuvir> and the impression you come away with is that he's only
    Manuvir> mentioned Bedade's wicket as cause for the debacle. Even
                                          ^^^^^
Has he really? In fact the title of the article which you posted was
"Azhar blames loss on poor shots". You see no other mention of that
statement in the article - so how do you know the complete statement,
and the fact that Azhar blamed *only* Bedade. You are basing your
opinions from a third person account - and seem to be revealing your
bias (which you admit somewhere down the line in this article). And
contrary to your opinion, one doesn't need a degree in psychology to
interpret "he looked so much in command, 30-40 more runs from him and
we would have been home" as praise. And do you remember what the
situation was when Bedade's wicket fell? India were around 160/4,
needing 90 odd runs at 6 an over, with 6 wickets in hand and two
*specialist* batsmen playing on 40+. If Azhar were to claim that we
lost the match at an earlier point than this - then he would have
revealed a singular lack of faith in those two *specialist* batsmen.

    Manuvir> if he isn't directly blaming him, it sounds unfair that
    Manuvir> he fails to mention the other wickets and singles out
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Again how do you know? Did the title "Azhar blames loss on poor shots"
                                                (notice "shots" --> ^)

appear out of thin air? Could it be that the person who filed this
report did some editing on his own?

    Manuvir> Bedade's. If this is how he praises his players, they
    Manuvir> must all have degrees in psychology to play under him. As

I have replied to this.

    Manuvir> it is poor Kapil is in Haryana wondering why he was
    Manuvir> stupid enough to take Azhar's advice (re: making himself
    Manuvir> available) so seriously.

That whole episode is quite intriguing and hazy - for instance
Vishwanath's two statements on consecutive days seem contradictory.

    Manuvir> Finally, there is no Azhar baiting here. If anyone is
    Manuvir> being baited it is Rohan, and other diehard Azhar
    Manuvir> fan(atics).

Well - I took your bait, although I am not a diehard fan of anyone
(except "Bestest" :-)).

    Manuvir> Ok, I'll admit it. I am also a little peeved that when
    Manuvir> Azhar came out with that statement about the BCCP I
    Manuvir> defended him here in good faith; after the Kapil Dev
    Manuvir> episode I am sceptical of all Azhar's press statements.

There. So you do admit to prejudice clouding your judgement. I took
care to reply to your article in full. "The ball", as the cliche goes,
"is in your court".
                   -Vishal

 
 
 

Azharuddin

Post by Manuvir D » Sat, 30 Apr 1994 05:50:48

|>Why is it that Indian fans are so trigger happy when
|>it comes to blaming their teams and captains left right and centre?

Probably because we make such a big deal out of cricket,
not being good at much else, and because unlike in other
games, in cricket the captain seems to have a really
large and visible role in determining the course of action.

Anyway, what is wrong with assigning blame? They get paid
for what they do, they must be answerable to someone. It
isn't just a game anymore, because it is their livelihood.
In all other occupations you have to be answerable to someone
for your mistakes, so why not here as well?

Besides, all the criticism from a public lacking knowledge
about the game is just the flip side of the coin. They get
their share of idolatry when they do well, don't they? I
don't think there is any need to molly-coddle them so much.

At the same time, I don't think the criticism should be
carried too far. Eg IMO it's right to blame Azhar for making
some bad decisions through the tourney, but not right to
carry that too far and insist he should be axed.

Anyway, just my opinions, not worth much, and as Vishal
rightly points out, you don't have to believe any of it.

- Manuvir

 
 
 

Azharuddin

Post by Manuvir D » Sat, 30 Apr 1994 05:41:16

|>You are basing your
|>opinions from a third person account

Ok I agree. You are right, the title is suggestive, and the
article doesn't really mention the poor shots. So I suppose
I'll agree with your view that it's just a badly written /
edited article that left out Azhar's otehr statements about
the bad shots played.

|>    Manuvir> Ok, I'll admit it. I am also a little peeved that when
|>    Manuvir> Azhar came out with that statement about the BCCP I
|>    Manuvir> defended him here in good faith; after the Kapil Dev
|>    Manuvir> episode I am sceptical of all Azhar's press statements.
|>
|>There. So you do admit to prejudice clouding your judgement.

At least I admit it, man. Without provocation too. Just trying
to be fair about the whole thing.

- Manuvir

  p.s. Rohan et al - I accept this was not worth blowing up
       so much. Anyway the important point is what is good
       for the team; IMO the best line is to remove whatever
       insecurity he might have by giving him a long term
       contract, and including regular tutorials in the
       deal. What are the chances of this happening? Sadly,
       I don't think very much.