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> Bottom line guys. The IPL needs international stars as much as the
> stars need the money from the IPL. Another important thing to learn
> from this. That if the IPL ends up destroying world cricket than the
> cricket in the future would be devoid of future stars from other
> countries. Now that in itself would destroy the IPL and wouldn't that
> be ironic.  For at the end of the day we all need each other. Unless
> some diehard fans believe that India can sustain itself without any
> foreign players. Something like the domestic leagues in the US. To
> those people all I can say is that have you ever attended the domestic
> competitions in India. Even the so called prestigious challenger
> trophy (which is the premier one day event in India outside of
> international one dayers). There was nobody in the stadium. In fact
> when I went you couldn't even count 1 thousand people and those also
> were probably given free passes to make it seem like people have come.
> And when you talk about the regular one day matches and ranji trophy
> matches. Thats a real big laugh. One can't even count fifty people in
> the stands. And they are probably related to the players or their very
> close friends.

> So, at the end of the day the BCCI should realize that even if IPL
> becomes successful at the cost of world cricket, what would happen if
> the conveyor belt of foreign players dried up. What then. There are
> lots of things that can happen. Of course crooks like Sharad Pawar and
> Lalit Modi probably won't really care of the future of cricket if they
> can make the billions till then. After all that's what at least Pawar
> has already been doing in his public life. For all those who don't
> know this, Sharad Pawar is reputed to have made not millions BUT
> BILLIONS OF DOLLARS over the years through his corrupt ways.

> > So guys. To all those who insulted the Aussies and said things like
> > the Aussies should not be allowed to play in the IPL and earn this
> > money. To all those who wanted to punish guys like Ponting, Hayden and
> > Symonds. What if you get your wish. What if no Aussie can come to play
> > in this inaugural year of the IPL. What happens then. You can bet your
> > bottom dollar that if no Aussie shows up it will certainly take the
> > sheen out of the tournament. It will still have a few stars but just
> > like a cake with good icing or an ice cream with an excellent topping
> > it will lack that extra oomph. That extra something.

> > Bottom line guys. The IPL needs international stars as much as the
> > stars need the money from the IPL. Another important thing to learn
> > from this. That if the IPL ends up destroying world cricket than the
> > cricket in the future would be devoid of future stars from other
> > countries. Now that in itself would destroy the IPL and wouldn't that
> > be ironic. ?For at the end of the day we all need each other. Unless
> > some diehard fans believe that India can sustain itself without any
> > foreign players. Something like the domestic leagues in the US. To
> > those people all I can say is that have you ever attended the domestic
> > competitions in India. Even the so called prestigious challenger
> > trophy (which is the premier one day event in India outside of
> > international one dayers). There was nobody in the stadium. In fact
> > when I went you couldn't even count 1 thousand people and those also
> > were probably given free passes to make it seem like people have come.
> > And when you talk about the regular one day matches and ranji trophy
> > matches. Thats a real big laugh. One can't even count fifty people in
> > the stands. And they are probably related to the players or their very
> > close friends.

> > So, at the end of the day the BCCI should realize that even if IPL
> > becomes successful at the cost of world cricket, what would happen if
> > the conveyor belt of foreign players dried up. What then. There are
> > lots of things that can happen. Of course crooks like Sharad Pawar and
> > Lalit Modi probably won't really care of the future of cricket if they
> > can make the billions till then. After all that's what at least Pawar
> > has already been doing in his public life. For all those who don't
> > know this, Sharad Pawar is reputed to have made not millions BUT
> > BILLIONS OF DOLLARS over the years through his corrupt ways.

> What will happen?
> They'll miss out on big money, but wont be missed.
> They werent loved enough to be missed in the first place.

> > So guys. To all those who insulted the Aussies and said things like
> > the Aussies should not be allowed to play in the IPL and earn this
> > money. To all those who wanted to punish guys like Ponting, Hayden and
> > Symonds. What if you get your wish. What if no Aussie can come to play
> > in this inaugural year of the IPL. What happens then. You can bet your
> > bottom dollar that if no Aussie shows up it will certainly take the
> > sheen out of the tournament. It will still have a few stars but just
> > like a cake with good icing or an ice cream with an excellent topping
> > it will lack that extra oomph. That extra something.

> > Bottom line guys. The IPL needs international stars as much as the
> > stars need the money from the IPL. Another important thing to learn
> > from this. That if the IPL ends up destroying world cricket than the
> > cricket in the future would be devoid of future stars from other
> > countries. Now that in itself would destroy the IPL and wouldn't that
> > be ironic. For at the end of the day we all need each other. Unless
> > some diehard fans believe that India can sustain itself without any
> > foreign players. Something like the domestic leagues in the US. To
> > those people all I can say is that have you ever attended the domestic
> > competitions in India. Even the so called prestigious challenger
> > trophy (which is the premier one day event in India outside of
> > international one dayers). There was nobody in the stadium. In fact
> > when I went you couldn't even count 1 thousand people and those also
> > were probably given free passes to make it seem like people have come.
> > And when you talk about the regular one day matches and ranji trophy
> > matches. Thats a real big laugh. One can't even count fifty people in
> > the stands. And they are probably related to the players or their very
> > close friends.

> > So, at the end of the day the BCCI should realize that even if IPL
> > becomes successful at the cost of world cricket, what would happen if
> > the conveyor belt of foreign players dried up. What then. There are
> > lots of things that can happen. Of course crooks like Sharad Pawar and
> > Lalit Modi probably won't really care of the future of cricket if they
> > can make the billions till then. After all that's what at least Pawar
> > has already been doing in his public life. For all those who don't
> > know this, Sharad Pawar is reputed to have made not millions BUT
> > BILLIONS OF DOLLARS over the years through his corrupt ways.

> What will happen?
> They'll miss out on big money, but wont be missed.
> They werent loved enough to be missed in the first place.

>> What will happen?
>> They'll miss out on big money, but wont be missed.
>> They werent loved enough to be missed in the first place.

>By that logic, Indian businessmen are spending millions of dollars on
>players whose presence is unnecessary.  One presumes that if the team owners
>are really that thick they wouldn't have succeeded in business in the first
>place, which makes your claim look rather flimsy.

>>> What will happen?
>>> They'll miss out on big money, but wont be missed.
>>> They werent loved enough to be missed in the first place.

>>By that logic, Indian businessmen are spending millions of dollars on
>>players whose presence is unnecessary.  One presumes that if the team
>>owners
>>are really that thick they wouldn't have succeeded in business in the
>>first
>>place, which makes your claim look rather flimsy.

> I don't know so much.

> Are all the Indian businessmen who have got involved with franchises
> expecting to make money out of them? If so, they are a very strange
> bunch of businessmen.

> There are a lot of people in Britain and the USA at least who have
> made fairly large, sometimes even very large, amounts of money in
> business and who sink considerable quantities into sports clubs which
> never ever make a profit. In the old days, owning a slice of Rotherham
> United was called "putting something back into the community",
> although it was better known as "rich man with expensive train set".

> I realise that times have moved on and that some sporting franchises
> are expected to generate considerable profits for their owners, but I
> don't think the fan who wants to sit in the directors' box and is
> prepared to buy the club to indulge himself has completely
> disappeared.

> Granted, the IPL franchises are rather more ambitious than Rotherham
> United, but who knows whether or not someone has decided to spend
> oodles on Ishant Sharma simply because he thinks the bloke's an
> exciting cricketer whom he personally wants on his personal team?

> > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:58:08 +1300, "Andrew Dunford"

> >>> What will happen?
> >>> They'll miss out on big money, but wont be missed.
> >>> They werent loved enough to be missed in the first place.

> >>By that logic, Indian businessmen are spending millions of dollars on
> >>players whose presence is unnecessary. ?One presumes that if the team
> >>owners
> >>are really that thick they wouldn't have succeeded in business in the
> >>first
> >>place, which makes your claim look rather flimsy.

> > I don't know so much.

> > Are all the Indian businessmen who have got involved with franchises
> > expecting to make money out of them? If so, they are a very strange
> > bunch of businessmen.

> > There are a lot of people in Britain and the USA at least who have
> > made fairly large, sometimes even very large, amounts of money in
> > business and who sink considerable quantities into sports clubs which
> > never ever make a profit. In the old days, owning a slice of Rotherham
> > United was called "putting something back into the community",
> > although it was better known as "rich man with expensive train set".

> > I realise that times have moved on and that some sporting franchises
> > are expected to generate considerable profits for their owners, but I
> > don't think the fan who wants to sit in the directors' box and is
> > prepared to buy the club to indulge himself has completely
> > disappeared.

> > Granted, the IPL franchises are rather more ambitious than Rotherham
> > United, but who knows whether or not someone has decided to spend
> > oodles on Ishant Sharma simply because he thinks the bloke's an
> > exciting cricketer whom he personally wants on his personal team?

> It's a plausible theory. ?Taken even further, one might speculate that a
> team owner buys an Andrew Symonds with the express intention of not playing
> him, simply because he can.

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> > > So guys. To all those who insulted the Aussies and said things like
> > > the Aussies should not be allowed to play in the IPL and earn this
> > > money. To all those who wanted to punish guys like Ponting, Hayden and
> > > Symonds. What if you get your wish. What if no Aussie can come to play
> > > in this inaugural year of the IPL. What happens then. You can bet your
> > > bottom dollar that if no Aussie shows up it will certainly take the
> > > sheen out of the tournament. It will still have a few stars but just
> > > like a cake with good icing or an ice cream with an excellent topping
> > > it will lack that extra oomph. That extra something.

> > > Bottom line guys. The IPL needs international stars as much as the
> > > stars need the money from the IPL. Another important thing to learn
> > > from this. That if the IPL ends up destroying world cricket than the
> > > cricket in the future would be devoid of future stars from other
> > > countries. Now that in itself would destroy the IPL and wouldn't that
> > > be ironic. For at the end of the day we all need each other. Unless
> > > some diehard fans believe that India can sustain itself without any
> > > foreign players. Something like the domestic leagues in the US. To
> > > those people all I can say is that have you ever attended the domestic
> > > competitions in India. Even the so called prestigious challenger
> > > trophy (which is the premier one day event in India outside of
> > > international one dayers). There was nobody in the stadium. In fact
> > > when I went you couldn't even count 1 thousand people and those also
> > > were probably given free passes to make it seem like people have come.
> > > And when you talk about the regular one day matches and ranji trophy
> > > matches. Thats a real big laugh. One can't even count fifty people in
> > > the stands. And they are probably related to the players or their very
> > > close friends.

> > > So, at the end of the day the BCCI should realize that even if IPL
> > > becomes successful at the cost of world cricket, what would happen if
> > > the conveyor belt of foreign players dried up. What then. There are
> > > lots of things that can happen. Of course crooks like Sharad Pawar and
> > > Lalit Modi probably won't really care of the future of cricket if they
> > > can make the billions till then. After all that's what at least Pawar
> > > has already been doing in his public life. For all those who don't
> > > know this, Sharad Pawar is reputed to have made not millions BUT
> > > BILLIONS OF DOLLARS over the years through his corrupt ways.

> > What will happen?
> > They'll miss out on big money, but wont be missed.
> > They werent loved enough to be missed in the first place.

> By that logic, Indian businessmen are spending millions of dollars on
> players whose presence is unnecessary. ?One presumes that if the team owners
> are really that thick they wouldn't have succeeded in business in the first
> place, which makes your claim look rather flimsy.

> <snip>

> Andrew- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> > Bottom line guys. The IPL needs international stars as much as the
> > stars need the money from the IPL. Another important thing to learn
> > from this. That if the IPL ends up destroying world cricket than the
> > cricket in the future would be devoid of future stars from other
> > countries.

> I don't see that happen. It's possible that the landscape will change,
> with matches between multi-national franchises becoming the big
> drawcard, but there will still be a cricketing infrastructure, with
> scouts watching out for talented young players.

> Look at baseball or NFL in the US. There's no system of local leagues
> feeding state sides which feed national teams as there is in cricket,
> but the game thrives and stars emerge. Or look at Tennis or Golf where
> national colours are a side issue but new talent emerges all the time.

> IPL may change cricket, but I don't see that it will destroy it.

> > Bottom line guys. The IPL needs international stars as much as the
> > stars need the money from the IPL. Another important thing to learn
> > from this. That if the IPL ends up destroying world cricket than the
> > cricket in the future would be devoid of future stars from other
> > countries.

> I don't see that happen. It's possible that the landscape will change,
> with matches between multi-national franchises becoming the big
> drawcard, but there will still be a cricketing infrastructure, with
> scouts watching out for talented young players.

> Look atbaseballor NFL in the US. There's no system of local leagues
> feeding state sides which feed national teams as there is in cricket,
> but the game thrives and stars emerge.

> > Bottom line guys. The IPL needs international stars as much as the
> > stars need the money from the IPL. Another important thing to learn
> > from this. That if the IPL ends up destroying world cricket than the
> > cricket in the future would be devoid of future stars from other
> > countries.

> I don't see that happen. It's possible that the landscape will change,
> with matches between multi-national franchises becoming the big
> drawcard, but there will still be a cricketing infrastructure, with
> scouts watching out for talented young players.

> Look at baseball or NFL in the US. There's no system of local leagues
> feeding state sides which feed national teams as there is in cricket,
> but the game thrives and stars emerge. Or look at Tennis or Golf where
> national colours are a side issue but new talent emerges all the time.

> IPL may change cricket, but I don't see that it will destroy it.