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by **Ramaswa** » Sat, 01 Jun 1996 04:00:00

In the WC '96 QF India v Pakistan, Nayan Mongia was run out for 3.
The throw came in to Mushtaq Ahmed at the batsman's end, who in his
eagerness to get the job done dropped the ball as he broke the wicket,
dislodging just 1 bail. He then picked up the ball and dislodged the other
bail (with Mongia still out of his crease, in fact out of the picture). The
commentator (Grieg?) remarked that Mushtaq was lucky one bail was still left
standing after his initial attempt at the run out.

Which brings up my questions:

1. Was the comm blowing hot air, or is it likely that if both bails had been
dislodged in the initial muff, the run out may not have been possible?

2. If a direct throw shatters the stumps with the runner home, and then
there are overthrows, how are run outs judged (granted the TV replay will
show the photo-finish now, but when is the wicket "down" in that case)?
Presumably the same logic applies when a straight-drive shatters the stumps
at the bowler's end (without being deflected by the bowler).

Cheers,
Ramaswamy

by **Ashley Hera** » Sat, 01 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Subject: Questions on Run Outs
>Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:05:38 GMT
>In the WC '96 QF India v Pakistan, Nayan Mongia was run out for 3.
>The throw came in to Mushtaq Ahmed at the batsman's end, who in his
>eagerness to get the job done dropped the ball as he broke the wicket,
>dislodging just 1 bail. He then picked up the ball and dislodged the other
>bail (with Mongia still out of his crease, in fact out of the picture). The
>commentator (Grieg?) remarked that Mushtaq was lucky one bail was still left
>standing after his initial attempt at the run out.
>Which brings up my questions:
>1. Was the comm blowing hot air, or is it likely that if both bails had been
>dislodged in the initial muff, the run out may not have been possible?
>2. If a direct throw shatters the stumps with the runner home, and then
>there are overthrows, how are run outs judged (granted the TV replay will
>show the photo-finish now, but when is the wicket "down" in that case)?
>Presumably the same logic applies when a straight-drive shatters the stumps
>at the bowler's end (without being deflected by the bowler).
>Cheers,
>Ramaswamy

If both bails are dislodged you can either strike a stump(s) out of the ground
with the ball or you can pull a stump out of the ground and hold ball and
stump together while the batsman is out of the crease.

Cheers

Ashley

by **Ranjit B. Kh** » Sat, 01 Jun 1996 04:00:00

: Which brings up my questions:

: 1. Was the comm blowing hot air, or is it likely that if both bails had been
: dislodged in the initial muff, the run out may not have been possible?

: 2. If a direct throw shatters the stumps with the runner home, and then
: there are overthrows, how are run outs judged (granted the TV replay will
: show the photo-finish now, but when is the wicket "down" in that case)?
: Presumably the same logic applies when a straight-drive shatters the stumps
: at the bowler's end (without being deflected by the bowler).

: Cheers,
: Ramaswamy

If I am not mistaken, in both situations, the fielder would
have to kind of pick up the stup again,m with the bail and then hit
it again. That is he won't have to make the stumps stand firmly but
he would have to make them satnd before he can hit them again (with
the bails).

Ranjit

by **Roy Harriso** » Sun, 02 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> In the WC '96 QF India v Pakistan, Nayan Mongia was run out for 3.
> The throw came in to Mushtaq Ahmed at the batsman's end, who in his
> eagerness to get the job done dropped the ball as he broke the wicket,
> dislodging just 1 bail. He then picked up the ball and dislodged the other
> bail (with Mongia still out of his crease, in fact out of the picture). The
> commentator (Grieg?) remarked that Mushtaq was lucky one bail was still left
> standing after his initial attempt at the run out.

> Which brings up my questions:

> 1. Was the comm blowing hot air, or is it likely that if both bails had been
> dislodged in the initial muff, the run out may not have been possible?

> 2. If a direct throw shatters the stumps with the runner home, and then
> there are overthrows, how are run outs judged (granted the TV replay will
> show the photo-finish now, but when is the wicket "down" in that case)?
> Presumably the same logic applies when a straight-drive shatters the stumps
> at the bowler's end (without being deflected by the bowler).
> The other answers posted are not quite complete.

Summarising the law:

The wicket can be broken by:

knocking off the remaining bail

replacing one or both bails and then knocking one or both off again

striking a stump out of the ground, either by throwing the ball at the wicket or holding
the ball in the hand to do so

and, finally,

pulling up a stump ** provided the ball is held in the hand or the hand of the arm used
to do so **.

It is ** not ** sufficient to pull up a stump and then bang the ball against it.

Roy Harrison
Winchester

by **John Hal** » Sun, 02 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>In the WC '96 QF India v Pakistan, Nayan Mongia was run out for 3.
>The throw came in to Mushtaq Ahmed at the batsman's end, who in his
>eagerness to get the job done dropped the ball as he broke the wicket,
>dislodging just 1 bail. He then picked up the ball and dislodged the other
>bail (with Mongia still out of his crease, in fact out of the picture). The
>commentator (Grieg?) remarked that Mushtaq was lucky one bail was still left
>standing after his initial attempt at the run out.

>Which brings up my questions:

>1. Was the comm blowing hot air, or is it likely that if both bails had been
>dislodged in the initial muff, the run out may not have been possible?

If neither bail is in place, a run-out can be effected by the fielder
pulling up a stump with the hand holding the ball. (You've got at least
one Wisden - you could have looked that up in the Laws :)

Quote:

>2. If a direct throw shatters the stumps with the runner home, and then
>there are overthrows, how are run outs judged (granted the TV replay
will
>show the photo-finish now, but when is the wicket "down" in that case)?
>Presumably the same logic applies when a straight-drive shatters the
stumps
>at the bowler's end (without being deflected by the bowler).

As above. (Alternatively, the fielder can remake the wicket prior to
breaking it again, I think, but in practice there'd rarely be time for
this.)
--
"He crams with cans of poisoned meat
The subjects of the King,
And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:
Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers"

by **Michael Lipwei T** » Tue, 04 Jun 1996 04:00:00

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Quote:

>pulling up a stump ** provided the ball is held in the hand or the hand of the arm used
>to do so **.
>It is ** not ** sufficient to pull up a stump and then bang the ball against it.

Ah, yes. You reminded me of an incident a couple of years back in Australia
when Glenn McGrath was poised to run out someone (sorry, the memory's gone).
The ball was returned to the bowler's end and he had the guy for sure. But the
*** rushed to his head and he ripped the stump out of the ground and shook it
at the batsman before touching it with the ball. The umpire called "Not Out"
and Border had a few choice words to say to his quick :).

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