Overseas players in county cricket

Overseas players in county cricket

Post by Dr I.F. Harv » Wed, 17 Aug 1994 23:44:43


The British counties, led by Yorkshire (who else) and Lancashire are
trying to push for a ban on overseas players in the county game.  What
do people think?  My view is that the County game is enlivened by test stars
(witness Lara's influence on Warwickshire) and surely our batsmen must
benefit from facing the likes of Ambrose and Donald.  Is there any evidence
that a potential English test cricketer has been kept out of his county side
by an overseas player?  Much of the resurgence of Glamorgan came about at
the time of Viv Richard's sojourn in Wales.

Ian Harvey


 
 
 

Overseas players in county cricket

Post by Mr CD Re » Thu, 18 Aug 1994 20:36:45


: The British counties, led by Yorkshire (who else) and Lancashire are
: trying to push for a ban on overseas players in the county game.  What
: do people think?  My view is that the County game is enlivened by test stars
: (witness Lara's influence on Warwickshire) and surely our batsmen must
: benefit from facing the likes of Ambrose and Donald.  Is there any evidence
: that a potential English test cricketer has been kept out of his county side
: by an overseas player?  Much of the resurgence of Glamorgan came about at
: the time of Viv Richard's sojourn in Wales.

: Ian Harvey


The news so far hasn't mentioned Yorkshire, only Lancashire.  Their main
objection was that it costs money to get overseas players who then miss half
of the matches that they should be playing because they're playing for their
countries on tour.  Granted that players who play for England also miss a few
matches, but at least the only times they tour abroad is outside of the
English cricket season.  I don't know if I support this or not.  There are
good arguments on both sides.  Overseas players can add a lot of e***ment
to the game, but not if they're hardly ever playing.

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Overseas players in county cricket

Post by Don Hugh » Fri, 19 Aug 1994 16:26:03


Quote:
>The news so far hasn't mentioned Yorkshire, only Lancashire.  Their main
>objection was that it costs money to get overseas players who then miss half
>of the matches that they should be playing because they're playing for their
>countries on tour.  Granted that players who play for England also miss a few
>matches, but at least the only times they tour abroad is outside of the
>English cricket season.  I don't know if I support this or not.  There are
>good arguments on both sides.  Overseas players can add a lot of e***ment
>to the game, but not if they're hardly ever playing.

This is entirely correct. The situation today is totally different than just
a few years ago, with three new test playing countries - Zimbabwe, South
Africa and Sri Lanka (OK, they're not that new but they've only just started
scheduling tours in July-Aug) - all of whom have the weather and the resources
to play cricket in August and September, or in the case of SL even June-July.
This impacts the overseas player market in two ways:
        - there are no "guaranteed" players available. In the 70s and 80s if you
          signed a South African you know he'd be available every season, for the
      full season. This is no longer the case.
        - overseas players will now be required more and more often by their
          countries for tours, or to prepare for tours, in the middle of the
          English season.

The effect has already been felt in club cricket - English club teams will
rarely sign a top Indian or Pakistani player as their overseas professional,
mainly because they're normally required back in their own country well
before September. In county cricket, the problem will continue to grow.
Remember, England are unique; the only northern hemisphere country to
play test cricket and the only country that places such a high emphasis
on domestic competitions that they will not organise overseas tours by
their national team during their season. Other countries do not have
sympathy with this approach and will continue to make increasing demands
on their own star players.  

In the current situation, where county sides may only sign one overseas player
at a time and the regulations for their registration are tightly controlled,
the problems raised by Lancashire are inevitable. Personally, I think overseas
players are a good thing - dropping them will only decrease standards further
(no player good enough to play for England will be kept out of their county
side by an overseas player) and after all, young players cannot help but learn
from experiences like, for example, facing Ambrose on a bouncy pitch at the
Oval.

Maybe a solution would be to relax the registration rules (eg allow two or
even three overseas players per side), but place some restrictions on overseas
player salary levels. This would reduce the dependence on the "star" overseas
players while at the same time retaining the positive aspects of having them
in county cricket.

 
 
 

Overseas players in county cricket

Post by Syed M. A » Sat, 20 Aug 1994 21:51:58

]>
]> Remember, England are unique; the only northern hemisphere country to
]> play test cricket.

        Factually incorrect :-) Pakistan, too, is a Northern hemisphere country, and
so is India (I'm not quite sure of Southern part of India and Sri lanka)...

Syed

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Overseas players in county cricket

Post by Chico Kh » Sat, 20 Aug 1994 20:12:48


Quote:

>Subject: Re: Overseas players in county cricket
>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 12:51:58 GMT

>Hughes) writes:
>]>
>]> Remember, England are unique; the only northern hemisphere country to
>]> play test cricket.
>        Factually incorrect :-) Pakistan, too, is a Northern hemisphere country,
>and
>so is India (I'm not quite sure of Southern part of India and Sri lanka)...

All of the West Indian islands (and Guyana) are in the Northern Hemisphere.

Quote:
>Syed

Chico.
 
 
 

Overseas players in county cricket

Post by Mani Vemb » Sun, 21 Aug 1994 02:43:16

Quote:


> ]>
> ]> Remember, England are unique; the only northern hemisphere country to
> ]> play test cricket.

>    Factually incorrect :-) Pakistan, too, is a Northern hemisphere country, and
> so is India (I'm not quite sure of Southern part of India and Sri lanka)...

> Syed

Factually incomplete ;-) All West Indian islands, plus Guyana are in
the northern hemisphere too.  Infact, Guyana is at 5 degrees North.

The *entire* Indian subcontinent and Sri Lanka are in the northern
hemisphere.

-Mani Vembar

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Overseas players in county cricket

Post by chr.. » Tue, 23 Aug 1994 17:17:42


Quote:

>Hughes) writes:
>]>
>]> Remember, England are unique; the only northern hemisphere country to
>]> play test cricket.
>        Factually incorrect :-) Pakistan, too, is a Northern hemisphere
>country, and
>so is India (I'm not quite sure of Southern part of India and Sri lanka)...
>Syed

Question when are the domestic seasons played in India, Pakistan ,Sri Lanka
and the West Indies.  I remember Brian Lara having to leave Northern
Transvaal to go home while our (South African & S. Hemisphere) season was
still in swing

Chris