## Vettori No-Balling Problem

### Vettori No-Balling Problem

Vettori has bowled about 8 no-balls now.

For crying out loud, he's a spinner! How can he be bowling so many no-balls?

He's getting carted around by Gilly too, but at least he ran SRW out.

As long as the rain doesn't interfere, we're going to be in for an awesome
finish.

Best Regards

ROWAN M.

### Vettori No-Balling Problem

Correction: 9 no-balls; he just bowled two in his last over.

I cannot understand how a spinner can be bowling as many no-balls as that. I
mean, Cairns is a pace bowler and he's only bowled two no-balls so far!

Best Regards

(An Increasingly Nervous)
ROWAN M.

### Vettori No-Balling Problem

On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:04:56 +1300, "WriteWord Translations"

Quote:

>Correction: 9 no-balls; he just bowled two in his last over.

>I cannot understand how a spinner can be bowling as many no-balls as that. I
>mean, Cairns is a pace bowler and he's only bowled two no-balls so far!

Costly too with Gillespie being caught off 1. He cuts it fine, the ball
that Gillespie was caught he was way over the line.

### Vettori No-Balling Problem

Quote:
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:04:56 +1300, "WriteWord Translations"

> >Correction: 9 no-balls; he just bowled two in his last over.

> >I cannot understand how a spinner can be bowling as many no-balls as
that. I
> >mean, Cairns is a pace bowler and he's only bowled two no-balls so far!

> Costly too with Gillespie being caught off 1. He cuts it fine, the ball
> that Gillespie was caught he was way over the line.

Are you talking about Cairns to Gillespie (which wasn't called) or Vettori
to Warne (which was)?

Andrew
confused

### Vettori No-Balling Problem

Quote:

> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:04:56 +1300, "WriteWord Translations"

> >Correction: 9 no-balls; he just bowled two in his last over.

> >I cannot understand how a spinner can be bowling as many no-balls as that. I
> >mean, Cairns is a pace bowler and he's only bowled two no-balls so far!

> Costly too with Gillespie being caught off 1. He cuts it fine, the ball
> that Gillespie was caught he was way over the line.

I think I heard an announcer say that his foot may have slipped on the
wet grass on that one.

Gary Williams

### Vettori No-Balling Problem

[snip]

:> Costly too with Gillespie being caught off 1. He cuts it fine, the ball
:> that Gillespie was caught he was way over the line.

:Are you talking about Cairns to Gillespie (which wasn't called) or Vettori
:to Warne (which was)?

Wasn't Gillespie caught off a no ball from Vettori?

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### Vettori No-Balling Problem

Quote:

> [snip]

> :> Costly too with Gillespie being caught off 1. He cuts it fine, the ball
> :> that Gillespie was caught he was way over the line.

> :Are you talking about Cairns to Gillespie (which wasn't called) or
Vettori
> :to Warne (which was)?

> Wasn't Gillespie caught off a no ball from Vettori?

No, that was Warne, who then very fairly sacrificed himself in the following
over.

Andrew

### Vettori No-Balling Problem

Quote:
> > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:04:56 +1300, "WriteWord Translations"

> > >Correction: 9 no-balls; he just bowled two in his last over.

> > >I cannot understand how a spinner can be bowling as many no-balls as
that. I
> > >mean, Cairns is a pace bowler and he's only bowled two no-balls so far!

> > Costly too with Gillespie being caught off 1. He cuts it fine, the ball
> > that Gillespie was caught he was way over the line.

> I think I heard an announcer say that his foot may have slipped on the
> wet grass on that one.

If his foot lands with some part behind the line and then slips forward, it
would not be a no-ball.

Wombat

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### Vettori No-Balling Problem

Quote:

> > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:04:56 +1300, "WriteWord Translations"

> > > >Correction: 9 no-balls; he just bowled two in his last over.

> > > >I cannot understand how a spinner can be bowling as many no-balls as
> that. I
> > > >mean, Cairns is a pace bowler and he's only bowled two no-balls so
far!

> > > Costly too with Gillespie being caught off 1. He cuts it fine, the
ball
> > > that Gillespie was caught he was way over the line.

> > I think I heard an announcer say that his foot may have slipped on the
> > wet grass on that one.

> If his foot lands with some part behind the line and then slips forward,
it
> would not be a no-ball.

The other complicating factor with Vettori is that his heel is usually off
the ground at the point of delivery.

Andrew

### Vettori No-Balling Problem

Quote:

> > > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:04:56 +1300, "WriteWord Translations"

> > > > >Correction: 9 no-balls; he just bowled two in his last over.

> > > > >I cannot understand how a spinner can be bowling as many no-balls as
> > that. I
> > > > >mean, Cairns is a pace bowler and he's only bowled two no-balls so
> far!

> > > > Costly too with Gillespie being caught off 1. He cuts it fine, the
> ball
> > > > that Gillespie was caught he was way over the line.

> > > I think I heard an announcer say that his foot may have slipped on the
> > > wet grass on that one.

> > If his foot lands with some part behind the line and then slips forward,
> it
> > would not be a no-ball.

> The other complicating factor with Vettori is that his heel is usually off
> the ground at the point of delivery.

There aren't many bowlers, IMHO, who deliver the ball with their heel not
off the ground.

-Samarth.

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Quote:

> Andrew

### Vettori No-Balling Problem

Quote:

> > The other complicating factor with Vettori is that his heel is usually off
> > the ground at the point of delivery.

> There aren't many bowlers, IMHO, who deliver the ball with their heel not
> off the ground.

To Andrew:  The point of delivery is irrelevant, except as it relates
to determining the delivery stride.  According to the Laws of Cricket
(Appendix D) the "Delivery stride is the stride during which the
delivery swing is made, whether the ball is released or not, it starts
when the bowler's back foot lands for that stride and ends when the
front foot lands in the same stride."  Noballs for foot placement
depend solely on where each foot *lands* in the delivery stride; as
was pointed out in the part snipped, where the foot slips or moves
after it lands is not relevant.  More to your point, where the point
of delivery is relative to the position of the feet is not relevant.

To Samarth:  Although your statement in itself is probably correct, I
think it misses the point Andrew is making.  The Laws require, for it
to be a fair delivery, that in the delivery stride "the bowler's front
foot must land with some part of the foot, whether grounded or raised,
behind the popping crease."  The phrase "whether grounded or raised"
can cause problems for the umpire, because it is legal for the front
heel to be in the air when the front foot lands, even though nothing
is grounded behind the popping crease, as long as the umpire is
satisfied that the raised heel is breaking the plane of the popping
crease in the air.  However, the determination is more difficult in
close cases with such a bowler.  Fortunately for us umpires, at least
in my own experience, the vast majority of bowlers land their front
foot with the heel flat on the ground, and to that extent I think that
you are missing the point of what Andrew is saying.  I have not seen
Vettori bowl, but I believe Andrew is saying that Vettori makes the
job more difficult for the umpires by not grounding the heel of his
front foot in the delivery stride.  If true, that is a relevant thing