Fastest EVER Bowler??

Fastest EVER Bowler??

Post by phil. Felt » Sat, 28 Oct 1995 04:00:00



Quote:



> |> Hi Cricket Lovers
> |>
> |>   I am wondering whats the fastest speed by a cricketer ever recorded. I
> |> have heard that Jeff Thompson of Australia bowled at 100mph. Can anyone
> |> verify this?? or give another record. I cant believe baseball pitchers
> |> can throw at 93 mph when they dont have any "run-up" before they deliver
> |> the ball.

> Baseball pitchers don't have to maintain a straight elbow, so (by *** the
> forearm forward) they can accelerate the ball very quickly with a short

windup.

I happened to be watching the last few innings of the baseball World Series
the other night and they were showing the radar gun speeds on the screen.
The two relief pitchers were consistently over 95 mph with top speeds of 99
mph.

(In case you're wondering I was stuck in a hotel in Detroit, and there was
nothing else on the 8 available channels!   ;-(

Phil.

 
 
 

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Post by Nick Weir-William » Sat, 28 Oct 1995 04:00:00

An interesting strand comes from this post. There are a lot of transplanted people
on this list who are currently in the US but are from the sub-continent
(or, like me, from UK via Aus). Do you follow baseball at all? In Chicago
the opportunities for watching cricket are very limited, and only CricInfo
keeps me going. But I have to admit that through my 11 year-old son, who to
my initial dismay has taken fervently to baseball, I've begun to enjoy the
game.

The pitchers are impressive, their speed and control can be awesome. The running
is fierce, though of course being told when to run is fairly pathetic
(as is the need for the fielders to catch with gloves on). The batting can be
good to watch, and although it lacks the subtlety of building a long
innings, from a spectator point of view the constant to-and-fro of the
teams adds a lot. The current World Series is real edge-of-the-seat stuff,
and although that's only a part of the appeal of cricket, it's not a bad
pastime in the absence of the real thing. It's interesting also that baseball
like cricket has spawned great literature and poetry and a passionate feel for
the nostalgia of the game. A pity that cricket doesn't appeal in Hollywood,
otherwise we'd have some great cricket movies (though I suppose there
was the Bodyline TV series from Oz).

So baseball v cricket? Comments? Flames? Is it possible to like both ...
or have I been here too long

Nick Weir-Williams
Northwestern University

Quote:

> > Baseball pitchers don't have to maintain a straight elbow, so (by *** the
> > forearm forward) they can accelerate the ball very quickly with a short
> windup.

> I happened to be watching the last few innings of the baseball World Series
> the other night and they were showing the radar gun speeds on the screen.
> The two relief pitchers were consistently over 95 mph with top speeds of 99
> mph.

> (In case you're wondering I was stuck in a hotel in Detroit, and there was
> nothing else on the 8 available channels!   ;-(

> Phil.


 
 
 

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Post by John Hal » Sun, 29 Oct 1995 04:00:00



Quote:

>So baseball v cricket? Comments? Flames? Is it possible to like both ...
>or have I been here too long

It seems to me, who admittedly know little about baseball, is that the
main area in which the game is less subtle and varied than cricket is
the batting. Because the ball always reaches him on the full at a
considerable height off the ground, the batter only appears to have one
"stroke" at his disposal, compared to the wide variety of drives, cuts,
pulls and sweeps available to the cricket batsman. Also, using a bat
circular in cross-section rather than with a flat blade, seems to imply
that the baseball batter can have little control as to where the ball
will go.
--
If I were two-faced, would I be wearing this one?  
 Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)

 
 
 

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Post by Johann D Pitou » Sun, 29 Oct 1995 04:00:00


Quote:
> An interesting strand comes from this post. There are a lot of transplanted people
> on this list who are currently in the US but are from the sub-continent
> (or, like me, from UK via Aus). Do you follow baseball at all? In Chicago
> the opportunities for watching cricket are very limited, and only CricInfo
> the nostalgia of the game. A pity that cricket doesn't appeal in Hollywood,
> otherwise we'd have some great cricket movies (though I suppose there
> So baseball v cricket? Comments? Flames? Is it possible to like both ...
> or have I been here too long

> Nick Weir-Williams
> Northwestern University

Dear Nick,

I am a South African completing a post-doc in the States. I have been in
the States for just over a year and have really tried to follow baseball
on the TV (even seen 1 live game). I found the game quite boring compared
to cricket. It seems to me a pitchers game whereas cricket is mostly  a
batsman game. I know I probably miss half of what is going on because of a
lack of knowledge of intricacies of the game. As a outsider, I found the
TV coverage frustrating. Being a pitchers game you would expect to be
able to see the swing etc of a swing ball - unfortunately the angle of
the camera is over the pitchers shoulder which make it difficult to see
why the batsmen misjudged the swing of the ball. Futheremore, it seems
to me that the professional players in general are not really enjoying
the game as what I experienced with the average cricketer. Maybe the
strike ruined it for a lot of people.

 
 
 

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Post by Rajan Gaut » Sun, 29 Oct 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>An interesting strand comes from this post. There are a lot of
transplanted people
>on this list who are currently in the US but are from the sub-continent
>(or, like me, from UK via Aus). Do you follow baseball at all? In
Chicago
>the opportunities for watching cricket are very limited, and only
CricInfo
>keeps me going. But I have to admit that through my 11 year-old son, who
to
>my initial dismay has taken fervently to baseball, I've begun to enjoy
the
>game.

>The pitchers are impressive, their speed and control can be awesome. The
running
>is fierce, though of course being told when to run is fairly pathetic
>(as is the need for the fielders to catch with gloves on). The batting
can be
>good to watch, and although it lacks the subtlety of building a long
>innings, from a spectator point of view the constant to-and-fro of the
>teams adds a lot. The current World Series is real edge-of-the-seat
stuff,
>and although that's only a part of the appeal of cricket, it's not a
bad
>pastime in the absence of the real thing. It's interesting also that
baseball
>like cricket has spawned great literature and poetry and a passionate
feel for
>the nostalgia of the game. A pity that cricket doesn't appeal in
Hollywood,
>otherwise we'd have some great cricket movies (though I suppose there
>was the Bodyline TV series from Oz).

>So baseball v cricket? Comments? Flames? Is it possible to like both ...
>or have I been here too long

>Nick Weir-Williams
>Northwestern University

>> > Baseball pitchers don't have to maintain a straight elbow, so (by
*** the
>> > forearm forward) they can accelerate the ball very quickly with a
short
>> windup.

>> I happened to be watching the last few innings of the baseball World
Series
>> the other night and they were showing the radar gun speeds on the
screen.
>> The two relief pitchers were consistently over 95 mph with top speeds
of 99
>> mph.

>> (In case you're wondering I was stuck in a hotel in Detroit, and there
was
>> nothing else on the 8 available channels!   ;-(

>> Phil.

In my 15 years here in the US I never watched a baseball game, thinking
that it was a pure brute's game where the pitcher kept on pitching until
he tired or happened to be bowling terribly, and the batters only thing
was to try and hit a home run which, of course, resulted in some very
wild swings (and misses!)

After having watched the 3 games Cleveland played Vs Boston, the 6 games
Vs Seattle and the 5 games Vs Atlanta (as of the date of this post) I
think I finally understand the game enough to talk about it semi-
intelligently. (It is probably quite apparent that I am a resident of
Cleveland, Ohio!) IMHO, it seems that baseball, in fact, has a lot
of finesse and athleticism involved in addition to the strategies
inherent in the pitching changes, right Vs left hand pitchers etc. Any
one pitch can turn the game completely around.

So that this posting is not misunderstood, Cricket will, of course,
remain my first love but for the first time in my life baseball seems to
be not so bad and a nice diversion now that our cricketing season in
Cleveland has come to an end!!

Regards,

Rajan

 
 
 

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Post by Charles Le » Mon, 30 Oct 1995 03:00:00

Quote:

> An interesting strand comes from this post. There are a lot of transplanted people
> on this list who are currently in the US but are from the sub-continent
> (or, like me, from UK via Aus). Do you follow baseball at all? In Chicago
> the opportunities for watching cricket are very limited, and only CricInfo
> keeps me going. But I have to admit that through my 11 year-old son, who to
> my initial dismay has taken fervently to baseball, I've begun to enjoy the
> game.

> The pitchers are impressive, their speed and control can be awesome. The running
> is fierce, though of course being told when to run is fairly pathetic
> (as is the need for the fielders to catch with gloves on). The batting can be
> good to watch, and although it lacks the subtlety of building a long
> innings, from a spectator point of view the constant to-and-fro of the
> teams adds a lot. The current World Series is real edge-of-the-seat stuff,
> and although that's only a part of the appeal of cricket, it's not a bad
> pastime in the absence of the real thing. It's interesting also that baseball
> like cricket has spawned great literature and poetry and a passionate feel for
> the nostalgia of the game. A pity that cricket doesn't appeal in Hollywood,
> otherwise we'd have some great cricket movies (though I suppose there
> was the Bodyline TV series from Oz).

> So baseball v cricket? Comments? Flames? Is it possible to like both ...
> or have I been here too long

> Nick Weir-Williams
> Northwestern University

I was a "hold-out" against baseball for years, stubbornly
refusing to admit that it could in any way make up for losing
almost all touch with international cricket once I emigrated from
Jamaica to Canada. One thing always annoyed me was that Americans
had the nerve to call cricket "slow"; to me, baseball was the
slowest game in the world ... it took an age for the pitcher and
the catcher to agree on the right signals, and if a man was on
first base, the ball would be thrown over there half a dozen
times before it was pitched to the batter. "Cricket" I would
aver, "is a 'long' game, but it's not 'slow'" (except when the
Windies pacemen are on :-) )

But five years ago when the Toronto Blue Jays got hot, I
reluctantly sat up and took notice of the game. Now I have an
appreciation of it that can understand the enthusiasm it arouses
in American fans. There is an artistry in the fielding (what they
call "defence" in baseball) that rivals anything you see on the
cricket field. A "double play" is a thing of beauty! (I just saw
the Cleveland Indians pull off a beauty against Atlanta in the
2nd innning of the match tonight ... the short stop "gloved" the
ball to the second base man, who stepped on the bag for one out
and threw it to first for the second out to complete the double
play!) A triple play is as thrilling as it is rare!

Pitching as you say is impressive. The successful pitcher throws
fast balls, curve balls, balls that dip when they reach the
batter and "change-ups" - the equivalent of the bowler's flighted
ball. I used to think the idea was to throw that ball straight
over the plate every time, but it's far more sophisticated than
that ... the pitcher more often than not deliberately throws a
ball outside or inside the "strike zone" to entice the batter to
chase a bad ball!
Batters have a lot more command than John Hall thinks they do,
and can definitely direct the ball to the part of the field they
intend (not always successfully, of course) There is the famous
legend of the Babe (Ruth) who is supposed to have indicated on at
least one occasion where he intended to hit a home run ... and
did! To me, just being able to hit a ball with a round bat is an
accomplishment, let alone hitting a homer. Isn't Bradman supposed
to have practised as a youth by hitting a ball with a stump?

Oh, it's not cricket ... but it's the next best thing when you
can't watch the best!

Cheers!
Charles

--
"He [Bradman] didn't appear to recognize yorkers - to him they were
half-volleys; bouncers were simply long hops to be hooked ..."
                                                     - Barry Norman

 
 
 

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Post by Venkatesh Sridhar » Mon, 30 Oct 1995 03:00:00

[...]

: Isn't Bradman supposed to have practised as a youth by hitting a ball
: with a stump?

[...]

: Cheers!
: Charles

-------
Yup. Bradman, by his own account, spent hours and hours throwing a golf
ball at a concrete water tank (?) and hitting the rebound with a cricket
stump.

Win or lose, forever Windies.
Venky (Venkatesh Sridharan).

 
 
 

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Post by Rod M » Tue, 31 Oct 1995 04:00:00

Quote:


>: Isn't Bradman supposed to have practised as a youth by hitting a ball
>: with a stump?
>: Charles
>-------
>Yup. Bradman, by his own account, spent hours and hours throwing a golf
>ball at a concrete water tank (?) and hitting the rebound with a cricket
>stump.
>Venky (Venkatesh Sridharan).

There's actually footage of this, and he only had to throw it once :)
He figured using a small round ball, a curved bat and a curved wall,
hours of practice ought to make the real thing easier.....

Cheers,
        stoke.

 
 
 

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Post by Patangi Rangachar » Tue, 31 Oct 1995 04:00:00

Dear Folks
I am an unashamed lover of cricket AND baseball. In fact I wrote a piece
about it for the Canadian Cricketer. Thanks to Ron Knight for his comments.
The real contrast between baseball and cricket is the notion of
SACRIFICE! It is so wonderful to see a sacrifice bunt, or a fly. Truly
putting the team above personal kudos. Imagine Geoff Boycott or Sunil
Gvaskar doing that (Now the curses will reign on me!). Yes baseball is a
lovely game even if it means hammering a full toss between mid-on and
cover. ITs not easy. The only real problem with professional baseball is
that it appears over-coached, but then that is the pligfht of most North
American sports.
In closing, we should thank our stars that there are two such games to
cherish.
Anyone who saw the last game of the current World Series will know what I
mean.

Thanks
Chari

 
 
 

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Post by Mahesh Men » Tue, 31 Oct 1995 04:00:00



Quote:

>>An interesting strand comes from this post. There are a lot of transplanted people
>>on this list who are currently in the US but are from the sub-continent
>>(or, like me, from UK via Aus). Do you follow baseball at all? In Chicago
>>the opportunities for watching cricket are very limited, and only CricInfo
>>keeps me going. But I have to admit that through my 11 year-old son, who to
>>my initial dismay has taken fervently to baseball, I've begun to enjoy the
>>game.
> [in the name of bandwidth]
>to believe that cricket is more a game of finesse than baseball.

>Matt

i was about to start a new thread about cricked vs baseball. looks like nick
beat me to it. i don't have much to say except:

* i follow baseball quite closely and i kinda like it. but frankly, it's
  no substitute for cricket. what i can't stand is they call it the world
  series when in fact there are only 2 countries involved.
  but, like some of you have already mentioned, the game is a lot faster
  than cricket. (ODIs can sometimes be slow too.)

* cricket is of course more artistic and batting requires more skill. (though
  i have friends who will be prepared to kill to disprove this point)

* one major argument in favour of baseball is - athleticism. in cricket, you
  don't really need to be athletic. take the likes of hirwani (one poor
  excuse for a fielder). really pisses me off. i take the example of hirwani
  bcos i'm an indian. surely there are 'hirwanis' in every team. other than
  jonty rhodes and a few others, there aren't too many athletes around in
  cricket.

just my .02

Bye,
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Post by Devadatta Mukutmo » Tue, 31 Oct 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>* one major argument in favour of baseball is - athleticism. in cricket, you
>  don't really need to be athletic. take the likes of hirwani (one poor
>  excuse for a fielder). really pisses me off. i take the example of hirwani
>  bcos i'm an indian. surely there are 'hirwanis' in every team. other than
>  jonty rhodes and a few others, there aren't too many athletes around in
>  cricket.

>just my .02

Most cricketers are athletic (except Ian Botham or Mike Gatting).
Many of the baseball players look 50 to 100 lbs overweight.
You need good reflexes and talent in baseball. I would say
that baseball players are not fitter than cricket players.
But on average they are bigger and stronger.
--
Devadatta Mukutmoni


 
 
 

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Post by phil. Felt » Wed, 01 Nov 1995 04:00:00


Quote:


> >* one major argument in favour of baseball is - athleticism. in cricket, you
> >  don't really need to be athletic. take the likes of hirwani (one poor
> >  excuse for a fielder). really pisses me off. i take the example of hirwani
> >  bcos i'm an indian. surely there are 'hirwanis' in every team. other than
> >  jonty rhodes and a few others, there aren't too many athletes around in
> >  cricket.

> >just my .02

> Most cricketers are athletic (except Ian Botham or Mike Gatting).
> Many of the baseball players look 50 to 100 lbs overweight.
> You need good reflexes and talent in baseball. I would say
> that baseball players are not fitter than cricket players.
> But on average they are bigger and stronger.

Ian Botham, unfit! He didn't exactly trundle up to the wicket during his
bowling spells, also scoring a rapid century the way he used to do it requires
considerable strength and fitness.  Finally if I recall correctly he played
soccer for a minor league team (3rd or 4th division) for a while, not the normal
activity of a "couch potato".

In the American league there is the concept of the "Designated Hitter" this
is so that you replace your pitcher (who can't bat) by a powerful batter (who
can't field).  This was exemplified by the Yankees in this year's championship
series who had two such sluggers in their line-up.  One they played as the
D.H. but the other, Darrell Strawberry, was such a bad fielder that they didn't
risk playing him!  So much for athleticism!

Phil.

 
 
 

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Post by Devadatta Mukutmo » Wed, 01 Nov 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>Even Botham and Gatting had quick reflexes, which made them good close
>fieldsmen, though neither would be likely to win a 100 metres sprint.
>--

I should have said overweight. My mistake. Actually, these examples
are not mine. Some time ago, THE ECONOMIST had an article on cricket.
These two gentlemen were given as examples of the very few unfit
cricketers. They also said that cricketers are definitely as
fit as any other game.

--
Devadatta Mukutmoni


 
 
 

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Post by Charles Le » Wed, 01 Nov 1995 04:00:00

Quote:


>>Even Botham and Gatting had quick reflexes, which made them good close
>>fieldsmen, though neither would be likely to win a 100 metres sprint.
>>--

> I should have said overweight. My mistake. Actually, these examples
> are not mine. Some time ago, THE ECONOMIST had an article on cricket.
> These two gentlemen were given as examples of the very few unfit
> cricketers. They also said that cricketers are definitely as
> fit as any other game.

> --
> Devadatta Mukutmoni



Baseball has its share of overweight (but I must admit probably fit) types:
Fielder and Puckett spring to mind immediately! :-)
Cheers!
Charles

--
"Send him down a grand piano and see if he can play *that*!"
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