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by **Alok Shara** » Wed, 27 Apr 1994 02:19:11

I had the opportunity to watch both the the India-Pak Sharjah games live
in a movie theatre in Chicago. The telecast was organised by an Indian
group in Chicago who rented the movie hall overnight with a satellite
dish and projection equipment. The movie hall wasn't all that great, but
watching live cricket on the big screen was a different experience
altogether.

I have been a cricket fan for a long time and would never miss watching
a cricket game which was shown on TV (mostly in India). As an Indian,
I'd support my country against others, but would enjoy watching cricket
irrespective of the result of the game. A day of thrilling cricket was
all that mattered to me. However, after watching the Ind-Pak games in
Chicago, I have a completely different view of how these things are seen
in other parts of the world.

About 70% of the people in the theatre (out of approx. 200) were
Pakistani supporters. One of them had carried a huge Pakistani flag
inside the theatre and used to run around with it and wave it all over
at the drop of a hat (or an Indian wicket). At one stage, he climbed on
to the theatre stage and started waving the flag on the projected
image!!! The crowd was rowdy and disgusting. They were shouting ***
abuses at the Indian players (without caring about the fact that there
were a few Indians present in the hall) and would scream "Pakistan
Zindabad" (Long Live Pakistan) and "Allah-O-Akbar" every now and then.

It was then that I realised that it was not just a game of cricket that
I was watching. I had never seen such a partisan crowd that was willing
to bring in nationalism and religion in an otherwise simple game being
played against two countries (Yes, and I don't support Bal Thackeray).
It was almost as if these Pakistani supporters had a long lasting grudge
against the Indians and that they were taking it all out during the
telecast. It was almost as if this was a way for them to take revenge
against the Indians for their defeat in the 1971 war.

I had never felt so disgusted while watching a cricket game in my life.
That was a simple game of cricket that could have been taken much more
lightly. I remember watching several cricket games (including Ind-Pak)
in the TV room of my hostel in India, and the crowd used to be much more
civilised and decent. I don't remember anyone shouting "India Zindabad"
or "Jai Shri Ram" or any such stupid nationalistic or religious slogans.
Cheering for a team is natural, but to be jingoistic as if a "jihad" is
being carried out is ridiculous.

I hope people realise that cricket is just a game and should be treated
like one. Winning a tournament doesn't make a country great, all it
means is that it has a better set of 11 cricket players.

Alok Sharan
Department of Materials Science and Engineering
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh PA 15213, USA

by **Ravi N Arunkundr** » Wed, 27 Apr 1994 13:15:55

Quote:

>So, Mr. Sharan, don't get carried away. I suggest you should lighten up a bit,
>or else stay home and follow irc or rsc.
>Mustafa.

Surely that is a little harsh. It seems that you object to people
asking for some vestiges of decency and decorum from those who are not
exactly seeing a match in their drawing rooms. Saran's description of
the mood in the Auditorium hardly seemed to merit a response like
"lighten up". It has nothing to do with who misbehaved so badly (Ind.
or Paki) and has everything to do with when a group of people cease to
merit the description of "Civilized". That Indians have also done it
(accroding to you) is no reason that these people should be condoned
or for Mr. Saran to go home thinking that he has witnessed a spirited
exchange.

ravi

by **Mustafa Abb** » Wed, 27 Apr 1994 04:57:20

|>
|> I had the opportunity to watch both the the India-Pak Sharjah games live
|> in a movie theatre in Chicago. The telecast was organised by an Indian
|> group in Chicago who rented the movie hall overnight with a satellite
|> dish and projection equipment. The movie hall wasn't all that great, but
|> watching live cricket on the big screen was a different experience
|> altogether.
|>
|> I have been a cricket fan for a long time and would never miss watching
|> a cricket game which was shown on TV (mostly in India). As an Indian,
|> I'd support my country against others, but would enjoy watching cricket
|> irrespective of the result of the game. A day of thrilling cricket was
|> all that mattered to me. However, after watching the Ind-Pak games in
|> Chicago, I have a completely different view of how these things are seen
|> in other parts of the world.
|>
|> About 70% of the people in the theatre (out of approx. 200) were
|> Pakistani supporters. One of them had carried a huge Pakistani flag
|> inside the theatre and used to run around with it and wave it all over
|> at the drop of a hat (or an Indian wicket). At one stage, he climbed on
|> to the theatre stage and started waving the flag on the projected
|> image!!! The crowd was rowdy and disgusting. They were shouting ***
|> abuses at the Indian players (without caring about the fact that there
|> were a few Indians present in the hall) and would scream "Pakistan
|> Zindabad" (Long Live Pakistan) and "Allah-O-Akbar" every now and then.
|>
|> It was then that I realised that it was not just a game of cricket that
|> I was watching. I had never seen such a partisan crowd that was willing
|> to bring in nationalism and religion in an otherwise simple game being
|> played against two countries (Yes, and I don't support Bal Thackeray).
|> It was almost as if these Pakistani supporters had a long lasting grudge
|> against the Indians and that they were taking it all out during the
|> telecast. It was almost as if this was a way for them to take revenge
|> against the Indians for their defeat in the 1971 war.
|>
|> I had never felt so disgusted while watching a cricket game in my life.
|> That was a simple game of cricket that could have been taken much more
|> lightly. I remember watching several cricket games (including Ind-Pak)
|> in the TV room of my hostel in India, and the crowd used to be much more
|> civilised and decent. I don't remember anyone shouting "India Zindabad"
|> or "Jai Shri Ram" or any such stupid nationalistic or religious slogans.
|> Cheering for a team is natural, but to be jingoistic as if a "jihad" is
|> being carried out is ridiculous.
|>
|> I hope people realise that cricket is just a game and should be treated
|> like one. Winning a tournament doesn't make a country great, all it
|> means is that it has a better set of 11 cricket players.
|>
|>
|> Alok Sharan
|> Department of Materials Science and Engineering
|> Carnegie Mellon University
|> Pittsburgh PA 15213, USA
|>

To respond to your article I can cite similar things about the indian fans.
I watched these matches at a local bar where the indian students had arranged
live telecasts. Out of about 200, there were nearly 10% Pakistanis and the
rest were indians. I am not saying that Pakistanis behaved like saints or that
indians were the devils. On their occassions both camps shouted slogans that
were offensive to the other, but I think all of that was in good fun, and in
the end there were no bad feelings.

So, Mr. Sharan, don't get carried away. I suggest you should lighten up a bit,
or else stay home and follow irc or rsc.
Mustafa.

by **First M. La** » Wed, 27 Apr 1994 02:45:28

Quote:

>Subject: Paki Cricket Fans
>Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 13:19:11 -0400

[stuff deleted]

I watched the game with a very small crowd of close Indian and Pakistani
friends, who all behaved in a very civilized manner.

However, I did observe the behavior of the crowd in Sharjah. Most of the
"naarahs" were fine, and on the whole I thought the crowd behaved very well.
However, it is true that Pakistani fans tend to exhibit a touch of
overzealousness. Associating the pride of one's country and religion with
one's favorite team is somewhat strange. Cricket and Islam have nothing in
common. Come on, guys, it is just a game. So shouts od "Allah-o-akbar" and
"Naara-e-Takbeer" are misplaced.

But other than that, I think that it is fine to be a little insulting to the
other team in your slogans. Pakistani fans are still better than British
soccer thugs. And I have heard people at my University shout some really bad
insults at players from the opposing team during ice-hockey games. So as long
as it is all in fun, who cares. Just as long as people don't take themselves
or others too seriously.

by **Sagar Na** » Wed, 27 Apr 1994 09:00:01

Quote:

>|>
>|> About 70% of the people in the theatre (out of approx. 200) were
>|> Pakistani supporters. One of them had carried a huge Pakistani flag
>|> inside the theatre and used to run around with it and wave it all over
>|> at the drop of a hat (or an Indian wicket). At one stage, he climbed on

>So, Mr. Sharan, don't get carried away. I suggest you should lighten up a bit,
>or else stay home and follow irc or rsc.
>Mustafa.

These fans really get carried away by the (lack of) performance of their
*heroes*. Sometimes this leads to *** situation.

I and a friend of mine regularly watched the '92 world cup matches in
a sports bar in Montreal.

During a NZ/Pak match, things went out of control....... There were
***fighting, chair throwing, bottle breaking, and *** sprinkling
which were finally capped by the arrival of a police party.

Until that time entry into the bar was free. The owner was a very nice
guy from the Middle East...... He sold beer to others, but preferred
milk for himself.... :-) Probably he was getting enough profit selling
beer...... But, after that fiasco, he charged $5/head as entry fee....
It seems to me that the***fighting doubled his profit..... :-)

Sagar

by **<U31..** » Wed, 27 Apr 1994 23:55:58

Sounds like the Congress theatre at Chicago. I was there too and I agree with
Alok Sharan. I was there to enjoy some good cricket. The Pakistani team,
particularly the bowlers played a great game, but the crowd of fanatics in the
theatre (many of whom, I am sure, understand very little about cricket) made
it very difficult to appreciate their performance. By the way, I have been
at Sharjah too, and the quality of the crowd there is not very different. In
fact, the police there have to employ dogs to keep the crowd under control.

************************************************************************
ARUN HARIHARAN, UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS AT CHICAGO

************************************************************************

by **sha..** » Fri, 29 Apr 1994 07:44:49

Quote:

>|>
>|> I had the opportunity to watch both the the India-Pak Sharjah games live
>|> in a movie theatre in Chicago. The telecast was organised by an Indian
>|> group in Chicago who rented the movie hall overnight with a satellite
>|> dish and projection equipment. The movie hall wasn't all that great, but
>|> watching live cricket on the big screen was a different experience
>|> altogether.
>|>
>|> I have been a cricket fan for a long time and would never miss watching
>|> a cricket game which was shown on TV (mostly in India). As an Indian,
>|> I'd support my country against others, but would enjoy watching cricket
>|> irrespective of the result of the game. A day of thrilling cricket was
>|> all that mattered to me. However, after watching the Ind-Pak games in
>|> Chicago, I have a completely different view of how these things are seen
>|> in other parts of the world.
>|>
>|> About 70% of the people in the theatre (out of approx. 200) were
>|> Pakistani supporters. One of them had carried a huge Pakistani flag
>|> inside the theatre and used to run around with it and wave it all over
>|> at the drop of a hat (or an Indian wicket). At one stage, he climbed on
>|> to the theatre stage and started waving the flag on the projected
>|> image!!! The crowd was rowdy and disgusting. They were shouting ***
>|> abuses at the Indian players (without caring about the fact that there
>|> were a few Indians present in the hall) and would scream "Pakistan
>|> Zindabad" (Long Live Pakistan) and "Allah-O-Akbar" every now and then.
>|>
>|> It was then that I realised that it was not just a game of cricket that
>|> I was watching. I had never seen such a partisan crowd that was willing
>|> to bring in nationalism and religion in an otherwise simple game being
>|> played against two countries (Yes, and I don't support Bal Thackeray).
>|> It was almost as if these Pakistani supporters had a long lasting grudge
>|> against the Indians and that they were taking it all out during the
>|> telecast. It was almost as if this was a way for them to take revenge
>|> against the Indians for their defeat in the 1971 war.
>|>
>|> I had never felt so disgusted while watching a cricket game in my life.
>|> That was a simple game of cricket that could have been taken much more
>|> lightly. I remember watching several cricket games (including Ind-Pak)
>|> in the TV room of my hostel in India, and the crowd used to be much more
>|> civilised and decent. I don't remember anyone shouting "India Zindabad"
>|> or "Jai Shri Ram" or any such stupid nationalistic or religious slogans.
>|> Cheering for a team is natural, but to be jingoistic as if a "jihad" is
>|> being carried out is ridiculous.
>|>
>|> I hope people realise that cricket is just a game and should be treated
>|> like one. Winning a tournament doesn't make a country great, all it
>|> means is that it has a better set of 11 cricket players.
>|>
>|>
>|> Alok Sharan
>|> Department of Materials Science and Engineering
>|> Carnegie Mellon University
>|> Pittsburgh PA 15213, USA
>|>

>To respond to your article I can cite similar things about the indian fans.
>I watched these matches at a local bar where the indian students had arranged
>live telecasts. Out of about 200, there were nearly 10% Pakistanis and the
>rest were indians. I am not saying that Pakistanis behaved like saints or that
>indians were the devils. On their occassions both camps shouted slogans that
>were offensive to the other, but I think all of that was in good fun, and in
>the end there were no bad feelings.

>So, Mr. Sharan, don't get carried away. I suggest you should lighten up a bit,
>or else stay home and follow irc or rsc.
>Mustafa.

I have visited the Sharjah cricket ground on a number of occasions.
Each time I have been there for an India Pakistan game, the
supporters of each side hurl obscenities at each other. The reason
being, that Sharjah is a neutral ground where the proportion of
Indians is more or less the same as the Pakistanis. Watching cricket
in a neutral venue like the US you will encounter similar behaviour.
Please try to recall the ***on the net when India defeated
Pakistan in the world cup of 1992. Was that fair? Was that
civilised behaviour? Was that right? Certainly not! However, when
someone plays with fire there is always a danger of getting burnt.
This is the situation between Indians and Pakistanis as far as
rivalries of different sorts are concerned. As I watched the game I
hoped for a Pakistan win, less because of being a fan of the
Pakistani team, and more because of not having to deal with the
inflammatory remarks on the net. The PAD had sent mail to many
Pakistanis prior to the game asking them to be magnamious in victory
and graceful in defeat. Other than a few isolated incidents the
message was well receieved by the Pakistanis.And I personally
think that getting e***d over a game with only a certain
amount of people around you is far better than vulgar, sickening
posts for all to read.

Shariq

by **Salman [Ustad] Azh** » Sat, 30 Apr 1994 01:39:38

Quote:

>To them everything is a "jihad", including cricket and
>this unfortunately causes their lack of sportsmanship.

I think most of us took it as a game, not Jihad.

Quote:

>Can they do as they want in the name of "allah o akbar" ?

Not really! Why can't we just let the game get over with.
paksitan bet India twice, and the next time (Inshallah) India will
beat Paksitan. If not, the next time, the time after next, and if not
then, maybe sometime in the future... and then maybe we can have a
little peace from religious provocations on RSC. :)

DS[Q]A

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has accentuated the intellectual, moral, and spiritual degradation of
the literate masses" ------- D. Salman Azhar

by **Ashok Nagaraj** » Fri, 29 Apr 1994 03:34:50

Quote:

> |>
> |> I had the opportunity to watch both the the India-Pak Sharjah games live
> |> in a movie theatre in Chicago. The telecast was organised by an Indian
> |> group in Chicago who rented the movie hall overnight with a satellite
> |> dish and projection equipment. The movie hall wasn't all that great, but
> |> watching live cricket on the big screen was a different experience
> |> altogether.
> |>
> |> I have been a cricket fan for a long time and would never miss watching
> |> a cricket game which was shown on TV (mostly in India). As an Indian,
> |> I'd support my country against others, but would enjoy watching cricket
> |> irrespective of the result of the game. A day of thrilling cricket was
> |> all that mattered to me. However, after watching the Ind-Pak games in
> |> Chicago, I have a completely different view of how these things are seen
> |> in other parts of the world.
> |>
> |> About 70% of the people in the theatre (out of approx. 200) were
> |> Pakistani supporters. One of them had carried a huge Pakistani flag
> |> inside the theatre and used to run around with it and wave it all over
> |> at the drop of a hat (or an Indian wicket). At one stage, he climbed on
> |> to the theatre stage and started waving the flag on the projected
> |> image!!! The crowd was rowdy and disgusting. They were shouting ***
> |> abuses at the Indian players (without caring about the fact that there
> |> were a few Indians present in the hall) and would scream "Pakistan
> |> Zindabad" (Long Live Pakistan) and "Allah-O-Akbar" every now and then.
> |>
> |> It was then that I realised that it was not just a game of cricket that
> |> I was watching. I had never seen such a partisan crowd that was willing
> |> to bring in nationalism and religion in an otherwise simple game being
> |> played against two countries (Yes, and I don't support Bal Thackeray).
> |> It was almost as if these Pakistani supporters had a long lasting grudge
> |> against the Indians and that they were taking it all out during the
> |> telecast. It was almost as if this was a way for them to take revenge
> |> against the Indians for their defeat in the 1971 war.
> |>
> |> I had never felt so disgusted while watching a cricket game in my life.
> |> That was a simple game of cricket that could have been taken much more
> |> lightly. I remember watching several cricket games (including Ind-Pak)
> |> in the TV room of my hostel in India, and the crowd used to be much more
> |> civilised and decent. I don't remember anyone shouting "India Zindabad"
> |> or "Jai Shri Ram" or any such stupid nationalistic or religious slogans.
> |> Cheering for a team is natural, but to be jingoistic as if a "jihad" is
> |> being carried out is ridiculous.
> |>
> |> I hope people realise that cricket is just a game and should be treated
> |> like one. Winning a tournament doesn't make a country great, all it
> |> means is that it has a better set of 11 cricket players.
> |>
> |>
> |> Alok Sharan
> |> Department of Materials Science and Engineering
> |> Carnegie Mellon University
> |> Pittsburgh PA 15213, USA
> |>

There was a similar circus at Stanford Univ too but on a milder scale.
There were about 250+ Indians and about 15-20 Pak supporters watching
in two rooms on big screen TV at the Bechtel Intl Center which was
organized by the Indian Student Assoc at Stanford. But these 15-20
Pak supporters exhibited such a raucous behaviour that on more occasions
than one they must have made everyone think if it was really worthwhile
letting them in to watch in the first place.

Since there were too many people watching, we had to sit on the floor
to accomodate everyone. But our friends from Pakistan didn't quite bother
to keep that in mind. They would get up in groups everytime following a
Pakistan four or six or when an Indian wicket fell and do
a bhangra type dance with the accompanyment of jingoistic slogans from
the rest of their tribe. This would go on for 2-3 minutes making the people
behind them strain their necks to get a peek of the screen if they were
lucky. They had to be constantly reminded that there are people behind
them trying to watch the game. Even while sitting, there were constant
slogans being raised that made one wonder if we were really viewing a game
or attending a political rally.

But I suppose everthing pales in comparison to what was happening at
Sharjah itself. One could constantly hear "Pakistan Zindabad" in the
background during the entire game in the final. But to hear the same
during the India-Aus semi-final left me in bouts of laughter from which
I am yet to recover.

by **Chinna Kozhandh** » Sat, 30 Apr 1994 04:12:50

Quote:

> There was a similar circus at Stanford Univ too but on a milder scale.
> There were about 250+ Indians and about 15-20 Pak supporters watching
> in two rooms on big screen TV at the Bechtel Intl Center which was
> organized by the Indian Student Assoc at Stanford. But these 15-20
> Pak supporters exhibited such a raucous behaviour that on more occasions
> than one they must have made everyone think if it was really worthwhile
> letting them in to watch in the first place.

Actually, it was closer to 400 people, but that's another story :-)
Now I was there for every single game, without fail, and I just cannot
see where you get this impression from. I don't think the Pakistani
contingent were any more raucous or ill-behaved than the Indian
contingent. In fact, both sets of supporters were very good about the
game as a whole. There were sarcy comments flying around here and
there, of course, but nothing ill-intentioned I don't think.

The one point I do agree with to an extent is the following:

Quote:

> Since there were too many people watching, we had to sit on the floor
> to accomodate everyone. But our friends from Pakistan didn't quite bother
> to keep that in mind. They would get up in groups everytime following a
> Pakistan four or six or when an Indian wicket fell and do
> a bhangra type dance with the accompanyment of jingoistic slogans from
> the rest of their tribe.

This indeed did happen - people getting up and dancing about, but it
was onlky towards the later stages of the game, when the hall was a
little less full. Still, I do think that was inconsiderate of the
people who were doing it - but this has nothing to do with their
nationality. Let me remind you that there were plenty of Indians who
also stood up and yelled when India got a wicket, for example. It was
fortunate that in their case, they were mostly around the edges of the
room and did not block too many peoples view.

As for the jingoistic slogans, yes there were a few bandied around.
Perhaps more audibly and consistenyl so by the Pakistanis fans - but
maybe, just maybe, this has something to do with the fact that us
Indians did not have all that much to shout about? :)

In any event, my view of the whole thing is that what little that did
happen was absolutely harmless, and was all a part of the atmsphere of
the game - with people staunchly supporting their respective
countries, as I would expedct them to. Perhaps a few people said a
couple of things which could be construed as offensive. I dont think
in even one single case was it maliciously intended.

Quote:

> But I suppose everthing pales in comparison to what was happening at
> Sharjah itself. One could constantly hear "Pakistan Zindabad" in the
> background during the entire game in the final. But to hear the same
> during the India-Aus semi-final left me in bouts of laughter from which
> I am yet to recover.

Hehe. Yup, this is one thing which definitely surprised me - the
loudest chants from the Pakistan contigent in Sharjah were in the
India-Australia semi-final (the final apart of course).

Rohan [who thought things went very well out here for the most part,
and hoping for a quick end to this thread]

by **AK..** » Thu, 28 Apr 1994 09:09:19

Quote:

>I had the opportunity to watch both the the India-Pak Sharjah games live
>About 70% of the people in the theatre (out of approx. 200) were
>Pakistani supporters. One of them had carried a huge Pakistani flag
>inside the theatre and used to run around with it and wave it all over
>at the drop of a hat (or an Indian wicket). At one stage, he climbed on
>to the theatre stage and started waving the flag on the projected
>image!!! The crowd was rowdy and disgusting. They were shouting ***
>abuses at the Indian players (without caring about the fact that there
>were a few Indians present in the hall) and would scream "Pakistan
>Zindabad" (Long Live Pakistan) and "Allah-O-Akbar" every now and then.

>It was then that I realised that it was not just a game of cricket that
>I was watching. I had never seen such a partisan crowd that was willing
>to bring in nationalism and religion in an otherwise simple game being
>played against two countries (Yes, and I don't support Bal Thackeray).
>It was almost as if these Pakistani supporters had a long lasting grudge

I couldn't agree with you more ... such an irresponsible public behavior
is uncalled for. For whatever its worth, I appologize on behalf of
these unruly Pakistanis.

Quote:

>against the Indians and that they were taking it all out during the
>telecast. It was almost as if this was a way for them to take revenge
>against the Indians for their defeat in the 1971 war.

I wish you had not brought up your version of the history of 1971 events.
Since you have done so, I hope you would bear with my views. Calling
those ugly and ***y events a "war" is pushing the definition of this
word a bit too far. India (read Indria Gandhi) took a cheap advantage
of Pakistan's civil war and that too at Pakistan's weakest moment in
its history. In the 1980s, Pakistan had to reciprocate the presednet
which India had set in 1971. In the bargain, Indra Gandhi had to
personally pay for it. My Indian friends would understand the events
in Indian Punjab and Kashmir much better in the light of the events
in 1971. All I am trying to say is that those irresponsible Pakistanis
who spoiled your game in Chicago theater were not trying to take
revenge of 1971 "war" ... that has been taken care of. Once again,
I am sorry for your inconvinience. I sincerely wish that both
India and Pakistan could put this ugly history behind them and get
on with the future that certainly holds promise.

I must also admit to RSC netters that I didn't mean to bring up
politics at this forum. I just had to respond to a view of the
fellow netter. Hope you understand and the matter stands closed.

Quote:

>I had never felt so disgusted while watching a cricket game in my life.
>That was a simple game of cricket that could have been taken much more
>lightly. I remember watching several cricket games (including Ind-Pak)
>in the TV room of my hostel in India, and the crowd used to be much more
>civilised and decent. I don't remember anyone shouting "India Zindabad"
>or "Jai Shri Ram" or any such stupid nationalistic or religious slogans.
>Cheering for a team is natural, but to be jingoistic as if a "jihad" is
>being carried out is ridiculous.

I have also watched live cricket in Pakistani hostels and people
there behaved just as your colleagues in their hostel.

Quote:

>I hope people realise that cricket is just a game and should be treated
>like one. Winning a tournament doesn't make a country great, all it
>means is that it has a better set of 11 cricket players.

I share your views!!!

Quote:

>Alok Sharan
>Department of Materials Science and Engineering
>Carnegie Mellon University
>Pittsburgh PA 15213, USA

With best regards, Akmal Siddiq

by **Syed M. A** » Sat, 30 Apr 1994 22:32:43

|>

|> Hehe. Yup, this is one thing which definitely surprised me - the
|> loudest chants from the Pakistan contigent in Sharjah were in the
|> India-Australia semi-final (the final apart of course).
|>

heh, heh....may be Rohan they were practising for the final match ;->

|> Rohan [who thought things went very well out here for the most part,
|> and hoping for a quick end to this thread]
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Amen!

Syed
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30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh
only 1 1/2 tons. ---Popular Mechanics, March 1949

by **Pradeep Muthuswa** » Wed, 27 Apr 1994 13:46:33

I totally agree with your views on the Pakistani attitude.
To them everything is a "jihad", including cricket and
this unfortunately causes their lack of sportsmanship.

Can they do as they want in the name of "allah o akbar" ?

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by **Ali R. Faras** » Sun, 01 May 1994 06:23:55

|>
|> There was a similar circus at Stanford Univ too but on a milder scale.
|> There were about 250+ Indians and about 15-20 Pak supporters watching
|> in two rooms on big screen TV at the Bechtel Intl Center which was
|> organized by the Indian Student Assoc at Stanford. But these 15-20
|> Pak supporters exhibited such a raucous behaviour that on more occasions
|> than one they must have made everyone think if it was really worthwhile
|> letting them in to watch in the first place.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Here's a good democratic comment.
People like you who talk like "letting them" watch or "letting" women work
make me sick.

This is in response to all the articles on the net about Pakistani fans
waving flags, shouting slogans and having a good time.
What's wrong with you guys. Cricket *is* a *SPORT* as you might've guessed
from the name of the newsgroup r.SPORT.c. Now Surely, you don't expect
people to watch cricket as if they were watching an opera. Spectators in
every sport go to watch games to have a good time, shout slogans etc.
You guys who criticize Paki fans of having fun should losen up a bit, and get
a life of your own, so that you can enjoy the game too.
Now "Pakistan Zindabad" is a slogan like "Go Bulls" or "How 'bout them
Cowboys". You guy should make a slogan for youself (if you're creative
enough) and just enjoy the game and have a party.

Later . . .
-Ali(encouraging people to "just do it")

by **Devendra Telikicherla Kum** » Sat, 30 Apr 1994 06:20:00

Quote:

>> But I suppose everthing pales in comparison to what was happening at
>> Sharjah itself. One could constantly hear "Pakistan Zindabad" in the
>> background during the entire game in the final. But to hear the same
>> during the India-Aus semi-final left me in bouts of laughter from which
>> I am yet to recover.

Reminds me of a great quote by my brother. During the India-WI one-day match
in Srinagar (1983?), the crowd was repeatedly shouting "Pakistan Zindabad"
and "Imran Khan Zindabad." The next day, my brother was complaining in school
about how bad the crowd was. One guy brought up the point that the crowd
shouldn't always have to blindly cheer for the home team, to which my brother
replied, "That's fine! Cheer for the other team. But to cheer for a team that's
not playing?!"

The whole thing reminds me of the Duke-UNC rivalry, except on a national scale.

--
Devendra Kumar
BSE, Duke 1993