Uthappa, Gambhir etc

Uthappa, Gambhir etc

Post by Don » Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:17:21


People are busy always criticizing players like Sachin, Ganguly and
Dravid. What about people like Uthappa and Gambhir? If Sachin is not
performing against Aus, why these people are not taking the mantle to
force the game on the Aussies? I have not seen Gambhir performing any
single match winning innings against good attacks like Aus or South
Africa. Same for Uthappa who seems to have a problem in staying in the
middle and making a score above the 30s and 40s. Whats the point of
scoring a quick 30 and 40 and then getting out in a lame fashion? ODIs
require greater skills of staying power at the wicket ensuring team is
in a winning position by keeping runrate in a winnable position till
30th or 40th over.

And same goes for Dhoni too. I have not seen him playing a single
match winning innings after his performances against Pakistan in early
2006. Can anyone question these guys? If they are not able to take the
mantle from the senior players, why blame the seniors alone? Or does
being of age below 30 automatically guarantee your position not being
questioned at all????!!!!! Same goes for young bowlers like Sreesanth
too. He has still not learnt after 2 years how to control his
excessive ER in onedayers. What about RP Singh? He still looks like an
ordinary bowler when he is playing on wickets which do not have
swinging conditions tailormade for him.

Until all these questions are answered and a good team created out of
a healthy mixture of the youth and experienced, India will never be
able to fulfill its dream of a consistently good team which is
respected by the cricketing world in all forms of the game.

Don

 
 
 

Uthappa, Gambhir etc

Post by BP » Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:50:56


Quote:
> People are busy always criticizing players like Sachin, Ganguly and
> Dravid. What about people like Uthappa and Gambhir? If Sachin is not
> performing against Aus, why these people are not taking the mantle to
> force the game on the Aussies? I have not seen Gambhir performing any
> single match winning innings against good attacks like Aus or South
> Africa. Same for Uthappa who seems to have a problem in staying in the
> middle and making a score above the 30s and 40s. Whats the point of
> scoring a quick 30 and 40 and then getting out in a lame fashion? ODIs
> require greater skills of staying power at the wicket ensuring team is
> in a winning position by keeping runrate in a winnable position till
> 30th or 40th over.

> And same goes for Dhoni too. I have not seen him playing a single
> match winning innings after his performances against Pakistan in early
> 2006. Can anyone question these guys? If they are not able to take the
> mantle from the senior players, why blame the seniors alone? Or does
> being of age below 30 automatically guarantee your position not being
> questioned at all????!!!!! Same goes for young bowlers like Sreesanth
> too. He has still not learnt after 2 years how to control his
> excessive ER in onedayers. What about RP Singh? He still looks like an
> ordinary bowler when he is playing on wickets which do not have
> swinging conditions tailormade for him.

> Until all these questions are answered and a good team created out of
> a healthy mixture of the youth and experienced, India will never be
> able to fulfill its dream of a consistently good team which is
> respected by the cricketing world in all forms of the game.

> Don

Don,

Rsult counts, if India is not winning, I prefer BCCI goes with younger
player.

Any way, Sr. cricketer will not be around for 2011 world cup in India.

Badrinath, Raina, Shehwag, and R sharma need to be tested against AUS,
#1 team in the world.

Munaf Patel and Irfan will be good combination as 3rd and 4th bowlers.

Badrinath and Shehwag could bowl few overs with only one spinner
(Bhajji) in the team.

 
 
 

Uthappa, Gambhir etc

Post by raghu.saklesh.. » Sat, 06 Oct 2007 05:52:00


Quote:
> People are busy always criticizing players like Sachin, Ganguly and
> Dravid. What about people like Uthappa and Gambhir? If Sachin is not
> performing against Aus, why these people are not taking the mantle to
> force the game on the Aussies? I have not seen Gambhir performing any
> single match winning innings against good attacks like Aus or South
> Africa.

Gambhir has failed in ODIs against SA. He has an avg. of 9.55 in 9
matches he has played against SA.
However against Australia he is playing his very first ODI series. I
would not jump into conclusion
based on just one match. If he does not produce in the next match or
two I would get Sehwag in his place.

Quote:
>Same for Uthappa who seems to have a problem in staying in the
> middle and making a score above the 30s and 40s. Whats the point of
> scoring a quick 30 and 40 and then getting out in a lame fashion? ODIs
> require greater skills of staying power at the wicket ensuring team is
> in a winning position by keeping runrate in a winnable position till
> 30th or 40th over.

Uthappa too has never before played against Australia so lets not rush
to judgement here based on one inning.
We need to persist with the likes of Uthappa more.

Quote:

> And same goes for Dhoni too. I have not seen him playing a single
> match winning innings after his performances against Pakistan in early
> 2006.

Dhoni typically comes in at the 6th position and usually he has less
than 15-20 overs to play. He is probably the best striker of the ball
coming down so late for us. It is not possible to expect him to chase
down huge asking rates when the top order has collapsed.

Quote:
>Can anyone question these guys? If they are not able to take the
> mantle from the senior players, why blame the seniors alone? Or does

Well the seniors have to take the lion share of the blame here.. They
need to set the right example for the younger players.
Remember the younger players did win a T20 world cup just 2-3 weeks
back. These seniors got booted out of the earlier world
cup this year.

Quote:
> being of age below 30 automatically guarantee your position not being
> questioned at all????!!!!! Same goes for young bowlers like Sreesanth
> too. He has still not learnt after 2 years how to control his
> excessive ER in onedayers. What about RP Singh? He still looks like an
> ordinary bowler when he is playing on wickets which do not have
> swinging conditions tailormade for him.

We have a long way to go in improving our bowling. I was disappointed
with both Sreesanth's waywardness and RPs ineffectiveness
in Kochi too.

Quote:
> Until all these questions are answered and a good team created out of
> a healthy mixture of the youth and experienced, India will never be
> able to fulfill its dream of a consistently good team which is
> respected by the cricketing world in all forms of the game.

Bet it batting or bowling cricket is a team sport. I would not have
been as disappointed with the Indian teams performance in Kochi had
they lost by 10-20 runs. Loosing by a huge margin of 84 showed very
poor application.
Except for Dhoni's 58 and Uthappa's 41 everyone else failed
miserably!.

Quote:

> Don

Raghu

 
 
 

Uthappa, Gambhir etc

Post by Ravi » Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:28:45


Quote:
> People are busy always criticizing players like Sachin, Ganguly and
> Dravid. What about people like Uthappa and Gambhir? If Sachin is not
> performing against Aus, why these people are not taking the mantle to
> force the game on the Aussies? I have not seen Gambhir performing any
> single match winning innings against good attacks like Aus or South
> Africa. Same for Uthappa who seems to have a problem in staying in the
> middle and making a score above the 30s and 40s. Whats the point of
> scoring a quick 30 and 40 and then getting out in a lame fashion? ODIs
> require greater skills of staying power at the wicket ensuring team is
> in a winning position by keeping runrate in a winnable position till
> 30th or 40th over.

Well said

Quote:
> And same goes for Dhoni too. I have not seen him playing a single
> match winning innings after his performances against Pakistan in early
> 2006.

Look at Dhoni's performance on overseas tracks in ODI's - he has a
poor record. In the recent England ODI series he was a completely
ineffective.

Can someone find out when Dhoni scored a 50 overseas (ODI) - exclude
B'Desh, Zimbabwe?

Quote:
>Can anyone question these guys? If they are not able to take the
> mantle from the senior players, why blame the seniors alone? Or does
> being of age below 30 automatically guarantee your position not being
> questioned at all????!!!!! Same goes for young bowlers like Sreesanth
> too. He has still not learnt after 2 years how to control his
> excessive ER in onedayers. What about RP Singh? He still looks like an
> ordinary bowler when he is playing on wickets which do not have
> swinging conditions tailormade for him.

> Until all these questions are answered and a good team created out of
> a healthy mixture of the youth and experienced, India will never be
> able to fulfill its dream of a consistently good team which is
> respected by the cricketing world in all forms of the game.

> Don

Ravi
 
 
 

Uthappa, Gambhir etc

Post by Ravi » Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:31:20


Quote:

> > Dravid. What about people like Uthappa and Gambhir? If Sachin is not
> > performing against Aus, why these people are not taking the mantle to
> > force the game on the Aussies? I have not seen Gambhir performing any
> > single match winning innings against good attacks like Aus or South
> > Africa. Same for Uthappa who seems to have a problem in staying in the
> > middle and making a score above the 30s and 40s. Whats the point of
> > scoring a quick 30 and 40 and then getting out in a lame fashion? ODIs
> > require greater skills of staying power at the wicket ensuring team is
> > in a winning position by keeping runrate in a winnable position till
> > 30th or 40th over.

> Well said

> > And same goes for Dhoni too. I have not seen him playing a single
> > match winning innings after his performances against Pakistan in early
> > 2006.

> Look at Dhoni's performance on overseas tracks in ODI's - he has a
> poor record. In the recent England ODI series he was completely
> ineffective.

> Can someone find out when Dhoni scored a 50 overseas (ODI) - exclude
> B'Desh, Zimbabwe?

> >Can anyone question these guys? If they are not able to take the
> > mantle from the senior players, why blame the seniors alone? Or does
> > being of age below 30 automatically guarantee your position not being
> > questioned at all????!!!!! Same goes for young bowlers like Sreesanth
> > too. He has still not learnt after 2 years how to control his
> > excessive ER in onedayers. What about RP Singh? He still looks like an
> > ordinary bowler when he is playing on wickets which do not have
> > swinging conditions tailormade for him.

> > Until all these questions are answered and a good team created out of
> > a healthy mixture of the youth and experienced, India will never be
> > able to fulfill its dream of a consistently good team which is
> > respected by the cricketing world in all forms of the game.

> > Don

> Ravi

typo fixed
 
 
 

Uthappa, Gambhir etc

Post by Ian Thorp » Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:23:14


Quote:
> People are busy always criticizing players like Sachin, Ganguly and
> Dravid. What about people like Uthappa and Gambhir? If Sachin is not
> performing against Aus, why these people are not taking the mantle to
> force the game on the Aussies? I have not seen Gambhir performing any
> single match winning innings against good attacks like Aus or South
> Africa. Same for Uthappa who seems to have a problem in staying in the
> middle and making a score above the 30s and 40s. Whats the point of
> scoring a quick 30 and 40 and then getting out in a lame fashion? ODIs
> require greater skills of staying power at the wicket ensuring team is
> in a winning position by keeping runrate in a winnable position till
> 30th or 40th over.

> And same goes for Dhoni too. I have not seen him playing a single
> match winning innings after his performances against Pakistan in early
> 2006. Can anyone question these guys? If they are not able to take the
> mantle from the senior players, why blame the seniors alone? Or does
> being of age below 30 automatically guarantee your position not being
> questioned at all????!!!!! Same goes for young bowlers like Sreesanth
> too. He has still not learnt after 2 years how to control his
> excessive ER in onedayers. What about RP Singh? He still looks like an
> ordinary bowler when he is playing on wickets which do not have
> swinging conditions tailormade for him.

> Until all these questions are answered and a good team created out of
> a healthy mixture of the youth and experienced, India will never be
> able to fulfill its dream of a consistently good team which is
> respected by the cricketing world in all forms of the game.

> Don

Sachin and Ganguly to play, Dravid to be rested and rotated is the best
option for India
 
 
 

Uthappa, Gambhir etc

Post by allan.lazr.. » Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:36:43


Quote:

> > People are busy always criticizing players like Sachin, Ganguly and
> > Dravid. What about people like Uthappa and Gambhir? If Sachin is not
> > performing against Aus, why these people are not taking the mantle to
> > force the game on the Aussies? I have not seen Gambhir performing any
> > single match winning innings against good attacks like Aus or South
> > Africa.

> Gambhir has failed in ODIs against SA. He has an avg. of 9.55 in 9
> matches he has played against SA.
> However against Australia he is playing his very first ODI series. I
> would not jump into conclusion
> based on just one match. If he does not produce in the next match or
> two I would get Sehwag in his place.

> >Same for Uthappa who seems to have a problem in staying in the
> > middle and making a score above the 30s and 40s. Whats the point of
> > scoring a quick 30 and 40 and then getting out in a lame fashion? ODIs
> > require greater skills of staying power at the wicket ensuring team is
> > in a winning position by keeping runrate in a winnable position till
> > 30th or 40th over.

> Uthappa too has never before played against Australia so lets not rush
> to judgement here based on one inning.
> We need to persist with the likes of Uthappa more.

> > And same goes for Dhoni too. I have not seen him playing a single
> > match winning innings after his performances against Pakistan in early
> > 2006.

> Dhoni typically comes in at the 6th position and usually he has less
> than 15-20 overs to play. He is probably the best striker of the ball
> coming down so late for us. It is not possible to expect him to chase
> down huge asking rates when the top order has collapsed.

> >Can anyone question these guys? If they are not able to take the
> > mantle from the senior players, why blame the seniors alone? Or does

> Well the seniors have to take the lion share of the blame here.. They
> need to set the right example for the younger players.
> Remember the younger players did win a T20 world cup just 2-3 weeks
> back. These seniors got booted out of the earlier world
> cup this year.

> > being of age below 30 automatically guarantee your position not being
> > questioned at all????!!!!! Same goes for young bowlers like Sreesanth
> > too. He has still not learnt after 2 years how to control his
> > excessive ER in onedayers. What about RP Singh? He still looks like an
> > ordinary bowler when he is playing on wickets which do not have
> > swinging conditions tailormade for him.

> We have a long way to go in improving our bowling. I was disappointed
> with both Sreesanth's waywardness and RPs ineffectiveness
> in Kochi too.

   RP never played in Kochi. He only played in the washed-out ODI at
   Bangalore.