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by **ark..** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:10:28

Watched part of the DVD last weekend. Planning to buy one soon.

I've classified the X1 into the expected, the unknown and the
open-to-debate.
Would like some comments on the unknown in particular.

1 Jack Hobbs
Unknown (I haven't seen him). Does he belong here ? Any other
contenders for openers?

2 Sunil Gavaskar
Expected - Undoubtedly the greatest opener of all time.

3 Don Bradman (Cap)
Expected - Arguably the greatest batsman of all time (See #5)

4 Viv Richards
Expected - The most destructive batsman of his generation

5 Sachin Tendulkar
Expected - Arguably the greatest batsman of all time (See #3)

6 Sir Garfield Sobers
Expected - Undoubtedly the greatest all-rounder of all time.

7 Imran Khan
Open-to-debate : Assuming he is being taken as an allrounder - Hadlee ?

8 Adam Gilchrist
Open-to-debate : Rodney Marsh ? (Do you really need Gilly's batting
skills)

9 Shane Warne
Open-to-debate : Muralitharan maybe ? (Controversial - therefore
ignored)

10 Dennis Lillee
Open-to-debate : PLEASE !!! Wasim/Waqar/Marshall - Please !

11 Sydney Barnes
Open-to-debate : See above !! (W/W/M)

by **Mike Holman** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:36:56

and brought forth:

Quote:

>Watched part of the DVD last weekend. Planning to buy one soon.

>I've classified the X1 into the expected, the unknown and the
>open-to-debate.
>Would like some comments on the unknown in particular.

>1 Jack Hobbs
>Unknown (I haven't seen him). Does he belong here ? Any other
>contenders for openers?

>2 Sunil Gavaskar
>Expected - Undoubtedly the greatest opener of all time.

Let's just put it this way: Gavaskar is the slightly controversial
inclusion ahead of Hutton, Sutcliffe, Trumper, and Grace. No-one has
bettered Hobbs as an opening batsman.

But there was hardly any opint in bothering. Your idiotic remark about
Tendulkar simply proves that you are a one-eyed troll with no brains
whatsoever.

Cheers,

Mike

by **ark..** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:43:37

So you don't think Tendulkar is the best batsman of all-time ? Cmon !
Don't tell me
it's Alistair Cook ?

Quote:

> But there was hardly any opint in bothering. Your idiotic remark about
> Tendulkar simply proves that you are a one-eyed troll with no brains
> whatsoever.

> Cheers,

> Mike

by **Nihi** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:41:27

Quote:

> Watched part of the DVD last weekend. Planning to buy one soon.

> I've classified the X1 into the expected, the unknown and the
> open-to-debate.
> Would like some comments on the unknown in particular.

> 1 Jack Hobbs
> Unknown (I haven't seen him). Does he belong here ? Any other
> contenders for openers?

Sutcliffe, Lawry, Simpson, Greenidge and Haynes?

Quote:

> 2 Sunil Gavaskar
> Expected - Undoubtedly the greatest opener of all time.

David Gower (I just liked his batting style).

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> 3 Don Bradman (Cap)
> Expected - Arguably the greatest batsman of all time (See #5)

Yep.

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> 4 Viv Richards
> Expected - The most destructive batsman of his generation

Yep.

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> 5 Sachin Tendulkar
> Expected - Arguably the greatest batsman of all time (See #3)

Yep.

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> 6 Sir Garfield Sobers
> Expected - Undoubtedly the greatest all-rounder of all time.

> 7 Imran Khan
> Open-to-debate : Assuming he is being taken as an allrounder - Hadlee ?

Any of Imran, Hadlee, or Botham. Don't care, they're all great.

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> 8 Adam Gilchrist
> Open-to-debate : Rodney Marsh ? (Do you really need Gilly's batting
> skills)

Ian Smith or Rod Marsh.

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> 9 Shane Warne
> Open-to-debate : Muralitharan maybe ? (Controversial - therefore
> ignored)

Shane Warne every time.

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> 10 Dennis Lillee
> Open-to-debate : PLEASE !!! Wasim/Waqar/Marshall - Please !

I'd pick Dennis every time.

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> 11 Sydney Barnes
> Open-to-debate : See above !! (W/W/M)

Danny Morrison or Ewen Chatfield.

-N

by **Gilly's Dand** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:44:55

Quote:

> and brought forth:

> >Watched part of the DVD last weekend. Planning to buy one soon.

> >I've classified the X1 into the expected, the unknown and the
> >open-to-debate.
> >Would like some comments on the unknown in particular.

> >1 Jack Hobbs
> >Unknown (I haven't seen him). Does he belong here ? Any other
> >contenders for openers?

> >2 Sunil Gavaskar
> >Expected - Undoubtedly the greatest opener of all time.

> Let's just put it this way: Gavaskar is the slightly controversial
> inclusion ahead of Hutton, Sutcliffe, Trumper, and Grace. No-one has
> bettered Hobbs as an opening batsman.

> But there was hardly any opint in bothering. Your idiotic remark about
> Tendulkar simply proves that you are a one-eyed troll with no brains
> whatsoever.

Interesting thoughts on Imran and SF Barnes, too.

A

by **ark..** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:47:33

Quote:

> 11 Sydney Barnes
> Open-to-debate : See above !! (W/W/M)

Danny Morrison or Ewen Chatfield.

PLEASE !!!!!!

Seriously though - Wasim is the best fast bowler that "I"VE " ever
seen. That includes everyone from Lillee to McGrath

by **Gilly's Dand** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:52:09

Quote:

> > Watched part of the DVD last weekend. Planning to buy one soon.

> > I've classified the X1 into the expected, the unknown and the
> > open-to-debate.
> > Would like some comments on the unknown in particular.

> > 1 Jack Hobbs
> > Unknown (I haven't seen him). Does he belong here ? Any other
> > contenders for openers?

> Sutcliffe, Lawry, Simpson, Greenidge and Haynes?

Hobbs deserves to be there ahead of all of the above. I'd consider
Hutton, Sutcliffe, Greenidge, Hayden (!) and a couple of others ahead
of SMG, but not ahead of Hobbs.

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> > 2 Sunil Gavaskar
> > Expected - Undoubtedly the greatest opener of all time.

> David Gower (I just liked his batting style).

He was an opener then, was he?

<snip>

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> > 7 Imran Khan
> > Open-to-debate : Assuming he is being taken as an allrounder - Hadlee ?

> Any of Imran, Hadlee, or Botham. Don't care, they're all great.

While Botham was potentially more destructive than either Imran or
Hadlee, he showed it pretty rarely and not very much after the
mid-1980s. Hadlee was the better bowler of the two (but not a whole lot
better), but Imran more than compensated for this with his batting,
which really flourished in the latter part of his career.

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> > 8 Adam Gilchrist
> > Open-to-debate : Rodney Marsh ? (Do you really need Gilly's batting
> > skills)

> Ian Smith or Rod Marsh.

I'm happy with Gilchrist. Might think about Healy, if only because
Barnes would be tricky to keep to, and he's already looked after Warne
well.

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> > 9 Shane Warne
> > Open-to-debate : Muralitharan maybe ? (Controversial - therefore
> > ignored)

> Shane Warne every time.

> > 10 Dennis Lillee
> > Open-to-debate : PLEASE !!! Wasim/Waqar/Marshall - Please !

> I'd pick Dennis every time.

I'd think about Marshall, but have few problems with choosing Lillee.

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> > 11 Sydney Barnes
> > Open-to-debate : See above !! (W/W/M)

> Danny Morrison or Ewen Chatfield.

Chris Harris. Or Gavin Larsen.

A

by **Nihi** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:52:29

Quote:

>> 11 Sydney Barnes
>> Open-to-debate : See above !! (W/W/M)

> Danny Morrison or Ewen Chatfield.

> PLEASE !!!!!!

Morrison was so good he could head-***bouncers, and Ewen Chatfield batted
NZ to victory in a partnership of 50 with Jeremy Coney against Pakistan
with your great Wasim bowling.

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> Seriously though - Wasim is the best fast bowler that "I"VE " ever
> seen.

Nah, I'd still pick Dennis Lillee to bowl for my life every time.

-N

by **Nihi** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:55:13

Quote:

>>> Watched part of the DVD last weekend. Planning to buy one soon.

>>> I've classified the X1 into the expected, the unknown and the
>>> open-to-debate.
>>> Would like some comments on the unknown in particular.

>>> 1 Jack Hobbs
>>> Unknown (I haven't seen him). Does he belong here ? Any other
>>> contenders for openers?

>> Sutcliffe, Lawry, Simpson, Greenidge and Haynes?

> Hobbs deserves to be there ahead of all of the above. I'd consider
> Hutton, Sutcliffe, Greenidge, Hayden (!) and a couple of others ahead
> of SMG, but not ahead of Hobbs.

>>> 2 Sunil Gavaskar
>>> Expected - Undoubtedly the greatest opener of all time.

>> David Gower (I just liked his batting style).

> He was an opener then, was he?

No, he was just one of my favourite players of the 80's so I had to put him
in somewhere. :p

-N

by **Ian Galbrait** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:33:02

Quote:

>> 11 Sydney Barnes
>> Open-to-debate : See above !! (W/W/M)

> Danny Morrison or Ewen Chatfield.

> PLEASE !!!!!!

> Seriously though - Wasim is the best fast bowler that "I"VE " ever
> seen. That includes everyone from Lillee to McGrath

Also got away with match fixing which is why I'll never consider him. In my
lifetime I'd put Marshall, Lillee, McGrath, Hadlee, Garner and Ambrose
ahead of him anyway.
--
You can't stop the signal

by **Dipak Bas** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:38:27

Quote:

> 1 Jack Hobbs
> Unknown (I haven't seen him). Does he belong here ? Any other
> contenders for openers?

Yes Len Hutton, Bill Ponsford are my tops

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> 2 Sunil Gavaskar
> Expected - Undoubtedly the greatest opener of all time.

He's great not the greatest - Hutton Sutcliffe Hobbs Grace Hanif Hayden
Ponsford will give SMG a run for money

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> 3 Don Bradman (Cap)
> Expected - Arguably the greatest batsman of all time (See #5)

You are the first to argue the Don

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> 4 Viv Richards
> Expected - The most destructive batsman of his generation

Agreed - however Graeme Pollock would be my choice for an all time #4

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> 5 Sachin Tendulkar
> Expected - Arguably the greatest batsman of all time (See #3)

Take out the first half of Sachin's career and chances are high of losing
the argument. Aside from Bradman, Pollock, Sobers, Headley, GChappell, the
openers above, Javed, Hammond etc are comparable

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> 6 Sir Garfield Sobers
> Expected - Undoubtedly the greatest all-rounder of all time.

Agreed re batting allround

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> 7 Imran Khan
> Open-to-debate : Assuming he is being taken as an allrounder - Hadlee ?

Easily the best bowling allrounder of all time. Hadlee was a great bowler
who could bat well enough to get a test 100. Monty Noble, another great
allrounder.

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> 8 Adam Gilchrist
> Open-to-debate : Rodney Marsh ? (Do you really need Gilly's batting
> skills)

I'd pick Marsh, others are Evans, Ames, Tallon, Oldfield

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> 9 Shane Warne
> Open-to-debate : Muralitharan maybe ? (Controversial - therefore
> ignored)

Easy way out. huh? I'll stay with Warne. Murali and Grimmett would be my
alternates.

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> 10 Dennis Lillee
> Open-to-debate : PLEASE !!! Wasim/Waqar/Marshall - Please !

This is impossible - I'd pick all four if I could. For pure tearaway speed
and control I'll go with Marshall - but any one of them (except the older
Waqar) can claim this spot. Add in Hadlee, Donald, Lindwall, Davidson,
Holding and Larwood to this lot for a pantheon of great fast bowlers. In
the end, however it's Imran Marshall and Barnes as my opening bowlers with
Sobers as relief.

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> 11 Sydney Barnes
> Open-to-debate : See above !! (W/W/M)

No debate. Barnes was the best bowler of all

DB.

by **Mike Holman** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:18:42

tapped the keyboard and brought forth:

Quote:

>> 7 Imran Khan
>> Open-to-debate : Assuming he is being taken as an allrounder - Hadlee ?
>Easily the best bowling allrounder of all time. Hadlee was a great bowler
>who could bat well enough to get a test 100. Monty Noble, another great
>allrounder.

There are quite a few who'd go for Aubrey Faulkner too.

Cheers,

Mike

by **asi..** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:31:13

Quote:

> >> 11 Sydney Barnes
> >> Open-to-debate : See above !! (W/W/M)

> > Danny Morrison or Ewen Chatfield.

> > PLEASE !!!!!!

> > Seriously though - Wasim is the best fast bowler that "I"VE " ever
> > seen. That includes everyone from Lillee to McGrath

> Also got away with match fixing which is why I'll never consider him. In my
> lifetime I'd put Marshall, Lillee, McGrath, Hadlee, Garner and Ambrose
> ahead of him anyway.
> --
> You can't stop the signal

Frankly, I won't put Lillee, and Garner in that list. They didn't do
much in the subcontinent. Marshall was effective just about anywhere.
Ditto with Akram. Hadlee did well whenever he toured.

And that's the problem with a lot of these lists - they are often
restricted to tests played in Aus or Eng with nary a consideration for
matches played in the subcon. The real test of fast bowling is, imho,
how you utilise the dead tracks of the subcon.

Cheers
Arun

by **Will_** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:36:50

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> 2 Sunil Gavaskar
> Expected - Undoubtedly the greatest opener of all time.

Undoubtedly

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> 3 Don Bradman (Cap)
> Expected - Arguably the greatest batsman of all time (See #5)

Arguably

well you should close the book ( or in this case dvd ) because you have lost
all credibility

by **Mad Hamis** » Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:54:35

Quote:

>> >> 11 Sydney Barnes
>> >> Open-to-debate : See above !! (W/W/M)

>> > Danny Morrison or Ewen Chatfield.

>> > PLEASE !!!!!!

>> > Seriously though - Wasim is the best fast bowler that "I"VE " ever
>> > seen. That includes everyone from Lillee to McGrath

>> Also got away with match fixing which is why I'll never consider him. In my
>> lifetime I'd put Marshall, Lillee, McGrath, Hadlee, Garner and Ambrose
>> ahead of him anyway.

>Frankly, I won't put Lillee, and Garner in that list. They didn't do
>much in the subcontinent.

Garner played 1 series in Pakistan
3 90.3 192 10 4/38 4/38 19.20 2.12 54.3 0 0

he didn't play in India or Sri Lanka so you can't really criticise him
for not performing there.

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> Marshall was effective just about anywhere.
>Ditto with Akram. Hadlee did well whenever he toured.

>And that's the problem with a lot of these lists - they are often
>restricted to tests played in Aus or Eng with nary a consideration for
>matches played in the subcon. The real test of fast bowling is, imho,
>how you utilise the dead tracks of the subcon.

--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

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