All-time XI etc..

All-time XI etc..

Post by Wolfman Ja » Thu, 17 Jun 1993 10:52:09


With all this talk about the all-time eleven, I'm surprised that no-body has
mentioned Ken Barrington's name.
The guy is one of a few with an average over 60 (many innings too!).
I know he's dead 'n all that, but the whole thing is hypothetical anyway.

Same goes for Ray Lindwall and Harold Larwood (I've heard Larwood was just about
the fastest ever with Frank Tyson).

Still......I guess you can pick about 6 or 7 teams of pretty much equal strength
from the history of test cricket (except the team that has Bradman in it :)

Chris

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All-time XI etc..

Post by Spaceman Spif » Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:53:06



Quote:

>With all this talk about the all-time eleven, I'm surprised that no-body has
>mentioned Ken Barrington's name.
>The guy is one of a few with an average over 60 (many innings too!).

are you sure? i think he averaged about 58 or so. the only guys with averages
of over 60 are headley, pollock and you-know-who. (i guess barry richards,
gaunteaume and redmond also average 60+, but they didn't play enough test
cricket to qualify).

Stay cool,
Spaceman Spiff

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I'll tell you the reason if you want to know,
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Post by David Wheel » Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:49:10

Quote:



>>With all this talk about the all-time eleven, I'm surprised that no-body has
>>mentioned Ken Barrington's name.
>>The guy is one of a few with an average over 60 (many innings too!).

>are you sure? i think he averaged about 58 or so. the only guys with averages
>of over 60 are headley, pollock and you-know-who.

And Herbert Sutcliffe... may be one or two more, haven't got the Wisden
handy and can't remember offhand.  Think you're right about Barrington,
though, high 50s sounds somewhere close (which probably should make him a
front-runner for inclusion in an all-time XI, as Chris Stride says).

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Post by Devadatta Mukutmo » Fri, 18 Jun 1993 05:08:37

Quote:



>>With all this talk about the all-time eleven, I'm surprised that no-body has
>>mentioned Ken Barrington's name.
>>The guy is one of a few with an average over 60 (many innings too!).

>are you sure? i think he averaged about 58 or so. the only guys with averages
>of over 60 are headley, pollock and you-know-who. (i guess barry richards,
>gaunteaume and redmond also average 60+, but they didn't play enough test
>cricket to qualify).

>Stay cool,
>Spaceman Spiff

Also, Herbert Sutcliffe averaged over 60 (and scored more than 4000 runs).
Ken Barrington defintely has a sub-60 average. However, interestingly
enough his average was greater than Hammonds (he also scored more than
6000 runs). Why is he not included with Hutton, Hammond or Compton as
an all-time great?

--
Devadatta Mukutmoni
Department of Mechanical Engineering
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, CA 93943

 
 
 

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Post by Mayank Go » Fri, 18 Jun 1993 05:36:16


Quote:

>Also, Herbert Sutcliffe averaged over 60 (and scored more than 4000 runs).
>Ken Barrington defintely has a sub-60 average. However, interestingly
>enough his average was greater than Hammonds (he also scored more than
>6000 runs). Why is he not included with Hutton, Hammond or Compton as
>an all-time great?
>Devadatta Mukutmoni

OK, For the record, here are the career statistics of all the above mentioned
 greats. I am not drawing any inferences from this, because I feel all of them
were great in their own right!

K. F. Barrington 82 - 131 - 15 - 256 - 6806 - 58.67 - 20
H. Sutcliffe     54 -  84 -  9 - 194 - 4555 - 60.73 - 16
W. R. Hammond    85 - 140 - 16 - 336*- 7249 - 58.45 - 22
L. Hotton        79 - 138 - 15 - 364 - 6971 - 56.67 - 19
D. C. S. Compton 78 - 131 - 15 - 278 - 5807 - 50.06 - 17

Take care,

Mayank Gour.
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Post by Mayank Go » Fri, 18 Jun 1993 05:38:41

Quote:


>>Also, Herbert Sutcliffe averaged over 60 (and scored more than 4000 runs).
>>Ken Barrington defintely has a sub-60 average. However, interestingly
>>enough his average was greater than Hammonds (he also scored more than
>>6000 runs). Why is he not included with Hutton, Hammond or Compton as
>>an all-time great?
>>Devadatta Mukutmoni

>OK, For the record, here are the career statistics of all the above mentioned
> greats. I am not drawing any inferences from this, because I feel all of them
>were great in their own right!

>K. F. Barrington 82 - 131 - 15 - 256 - 6806 - 58.67 - 20
>H. Sutcliffe     54 -  84 -  9 - 194 - 4555 - 60.73 - 16
>W. R. Hammond    85 - 140 - 16 - 336*- 7249 - 58.45 - 22
>L. Hotton        79 - 138 - 15 - 364 - 6971 - 56.67 - 19
>D. C. S. Compton 78 - 131 - 15 - 278 - 5807 - 50.06 - 17

Sorry guys,

In the above figures, I forgot to mention what each column stood for.
Here goes...

Tests-Inngs-N.O-H.S-Runs-Avg-100s

Mayank Gour.

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Post by WODG » Sat, 19 Jun 1993 09:43:27

Quote:

>are you sure? i think he averaged about 58 or so. the only guys with averages
>of over 60 are headley, pollock and you-know-who. (i guess barry richards,
>gaunteaume and redmond also average 60+, but they didn't play enough test
>cricket to qualify).

Don't forget Sid Barnes of Australia who averaged over 60. He scored more than
1000 test runs, mostly just after WW2, including an innings of 234 vs England
in 1946/47, when with Bradman who also scored 234, they added 405 for the
fifth wicket, a record for ALL test teams.
 
 
 

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Post by Howard Sil » Wed, 23 Jun 1993 13:33:49


Quote:

>>>With all this talk about the all-time eleven, I'm surprised that no-body has
>>>mentioned Ken Barrington's name.
>>>The guy is one of a few with an average over 60 (many innings too!).

>And Herbert Sutcliffe... may be one or two more, haven't got the Wisden
>handy and can't remember offhand.  Think you're right about Barrington,
>though, high 50s sounds somewhere close (which probably should make him a
>front-runner for inclusion in an all-time XI, as Chris Stride says).

This issue of the highest batting averages came up about three months ago.
So Sorry if this repost is familiar. This is for 500+ runs plus -- and yes
I know its not particularly meaningful but it answers the question.

Kambli     India  4         5       1    227       544    136.00
Bradman    Aust   52       80      10    334      6996     99.94
Richards   SouthA 4         7       -    140       508     72.57
Dempster   NZ     10       15       4    136       723     65.72
Pollock    SouthA 23       41       4    274      2256     60.97
Headley    WestI  22       40       4    270*     2190     60.83
Sutcliffe  Eng    54       84       9    194      4555     60.73
Paynter    Eng    20       31       5    243      1540     59.23
Barrington Eng    82      131      15    256      6806     58.67
Weekes     WestI  48       81       5    207      4455     58.61
DuleepshinjEng    12       19       2    173       995     58.52
Hammond    Eng    85      140      16    336*     7249     58.45
Sobers     WestI  93      160      21    365*     8032     57.78
Hobbs      Eng    61      102       7    211      5410     56.94
Russell    Eng    10       18       2    140       911     56.93
Walcott    WestI  44       74       7    220      3798     56.68
Hutton     Eng    79      138      15    364      6971     56.67

Of those with less than 500 runs there are only 3 candidates I can think of:
firstly Ganteaume then NZ-er Rodney Redmond who made a 100 in his only Test and
finished with an average of 81.5 from his 2 innings.

Regards,
Howard Silby
Gracefield Research Centre.

 
 
 

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Post by Debabrata D » Wed, 23 Jun 1993 22:26:49

Quote:

>So Sorry if this repost is familiar. This is for 500+ runs plus -- and yes
>I know its not particularly meaningful but it answers the question.

>Kambli     India  4         5       1    227       544    136.00
>Bradman    Aust   52       80      10    334      6996     99.94

...etc

Does anyone know V. Merchant's averages? I remember reading that
Merchant had the second highest (after GOD) first-class
career batting avg.