IND-NZ Series Grades (INDIA)

IND-NZ Series Grades (INDIA)

Post by Shripathi Kamat » Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:57:23


Sehwag: C+
    Played recklessly, except for two sessions in T2.  Cannot curb poking
outside the off without moving his feet, and was the catalyst for the 4th
day gentle spiral with an ***ly irresponsible shot.  Did ok with the
ball in a brief spell.

Chopra: A-
    Did everything that was expected of a newcomer.  Hard to say if he is
the future at that spot, but certainly did not mess it up.  Gave India the
solid starts they needed, and generally delivered a consistent series,
helping save it.
Exceptional close-in fielder, and a grafter.  Deserves a run through the
entire next series.  Played with a straight bat, handled the short stuff
pretty well, and was not overwhelmed by the situation.   Provided the right
foundation for the m.o. everytime he batted.  Definite positive of the
series along with Laxman.

Dravid: B+ (combined grade)
    Superb in Test 1, thoroughly disappointing in the 2nd,  not effective
with his captaincy. Did little wrong, but did little right.  Basically let
down by his bowlers, and poor fielding, but has to bear some of the blame
for that.

Tendulkar: C-
    His dismissal started the collapse in T2, and has struggled quite a bit.
As the premier batsman of his side, a lot more is expected, especially when
pitches were conducive to batting for a large part in the matches.  Had his
chance in T2I2 but failed.  Good utility bowler, could help out with the 5th
bowler option.  For those keeping track, he now has still only one series
below 25 :-)

Ganguly: B+ (combined grade)
    Good supporting knock in the first test, with well-paced spurts. Handled
his resources well till the fifth day, where he could have pressed harder
for the advantage, and instead went defensive for some stretches. Again,
largely a victim of his bowlers' ineptitude, but has to share some of the
blame.  India missed his services in the second test.  Both as a captain,
and as a batsman.

Laxman: A+
    Class, sheer class.  Did everything one could have hoped for from him.
Batted fast when he had to, grafted and hunkered down when he had to.  Great
knock in T2, and valuable knocks in T1.  Top class batting, simply did not
fail.  Good to see him  back in the ODI side as well.

Patel: C-
   Very good in the first test, and batted well under easy conditions.
Horrid in the second test, seemed to compound errors geometrically.  Marks
the beginning of a long tail.  But, he is in the side, and this is what
India is stuck with for the next 10 tests or so, at least. If you want raw
youth, someone's gotta pay the piper.

Harbhajan: D
    Just bad.   Bowled too much on the legs, and did little of note
whatsoever.  Quite possibly the worst spinner in the series from both sides.
Extremely disappointing, and a big worry for the Aussie tour.

Kumble: C
    No krumblers for Kumble, but he was the best of the bowlers for India.
Tried hard, got a few to grip and bite, and was penetrating on occasion.
Could be useful as a stock bowler in a test or two, and as a strike bowler
in Sydney.

Zaheer Khan: D+
    One good spell, and that was it.  Generally poor line, poor length, and
showed the dearth of pace options in the Indian side.  The wickets were
unfriendly, but Zaheer is in for a horrid trip down under.  Did not even
bowl with pace in the second test, and was depressingly unimpressive.

Balaji: D-
    A game trier with a lot of heart, some accuracy, but nothing that would
scare a batsman on flat pitches.  He bowled about 1 good delivery every 3 or
4 overs in the first test, and improved to 1 every 2 overs in the 2nd.  Also
bowled with pace - he was faster than Zaheer in the second test.  Has a
injury-prone follow-through, and a run up that takes him wide of the crease
on delivery. (Or what Gussie said more eloquently) Was a substitute for
Nehra, and should promptly yield that spot.
Unfortunate that he did not get a chance on a friendlier wicket for a proper
evaluation, should be tried for a couple more tests on friendlier wickets.

Yuvraj: D-
   Lucky to have made it, but did not capitalize on his chances.  Good in
the field, but poor technique with the bat.  Will have to show tremendous
grit to compensate for that.  Did ok surviving in the second knock, but was
not under any real pressure.

Final thoughts:

-  A bit of a disappointment in not winning at least one, but props to the
Kiwis who came out it with even honors, and not just m***victories.  Great
show by my continuing nightmare: Tuffey.  And I don't care how he did
elsewhere, after seeing him in NZ, and in this match, he has to be seen as a
vastly underrated bowler.  With Bond and Butler, the Kiwis have some real
options, even if Cairns is done.  And Vettori can't hurt them at all.

- For India, some ray of hope at one of the opening spots, and the bowling
has raised more questions than when they entered the series.  Nehra will
help, but they need a lot more.  Patel's disaster was a one-off, but his
batting is still a concern.  SRT will be ok, don't worry about him.

-  DON'T HAVE TO SEE TUFFEY AGAINST INDIA FOR FOUR YEARS!  YIPPEE-KA-YA-YE!

--
Shripathi Kamath

Chances to win one in Australia? Slim and none.
And Slim just left town.

 
 
 

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Post by Narayana » Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:08:25



Quote:
> Harbhajan: D
>     Just bad.   Bowled too much on the legs, and did little of note
> whatsoever.  Quite possibly the worst spinner in the series from both sides.
> Extremely disappointing, and a big worry for the Aussie tour.

He must be told to correct his action if he wants to go to the
Australia. Last thing team can afford to handle is a chucking
controversy in Australia.

N-

 
 
 

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Post by Andrew Dunfor » Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:50:55



<snip>

Quote:
> Final thoughts:

> -  A bit of a disappointment in not winning at least one, but props to the
> Kiwis who came out it with even honors, and not just m***victories.
Great
> show by my continuing nightmare: Tuffey.  And I don't care how he did
> elsewhere, after seeing him in NZ, and in this match, he has to be seen as
a
> vastly underrated bowler.  With Bond and Butler, the Kiwis have some real
> options, even if Cairns is done.  And Vettori can't hurt them at all.

> - For India, some ray of hope at one of the opening spots, and the bowling
> has raised more questions than when they entered the series.  Nehra will
> help, but they need a lot more.  Patel's disaster was a one-off, but his
> batting is still a concern.  SRT will be ok, don't worry about him.

> -  DON'T HAVE TO SEE TUFFEY AGAINST INDIA FOR FOUR YEARS!

YIPPEE-KA-YA-YE!

One more thought.

Australia's players all injured, and this Test series between NZ and India
just warming up.  Solution: cancel the odo series and lay on some more
Tests.

Andrew

 
 
 

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Post by Aditya Basru » Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:05:16

Quote:

> One more thought.

> Australia's players all injured, and this Test series between NZ and
> India just warming up.  Solution: cancel the odo series and lay on
> some more Tests.

Yes, but at Eden Gardens, or ***hede, or Chinnaswamy. I'm sick of this
substandard treatment being meted out to the NZ team. Do you know it's been
at least 40 years since we played at the home of Indian Cricket (and no, I'm
not talking about the Tollygunge Club)? Gavin Larsen told me he'd *never*
played at Eden Gardens. Is that disgusting, or is that disgusting? For the
second tour in succession now, NZ has been relegated to mediocre venues. I
think this is because the authorities are scared that NZ will win with the
big atmosphere, what with having practiced with crowd noise and in the heat.
These Indians are cowards, and they'd better get their house in order. I've
had enough of Dalmiya's shenanigans. Is there a Coc measure against it? Can
Mani do something?

The Black Caps are here, McMillan's ***, and they're proud of it. I'm
disgusted at the horrific treatment meted out to the New Zealanders. I think
it's sickening, depraved, cruel and inhuman. I think India is doing too much
to try and get an advantage. The Indian authorities make me sick. They're
always looking to put shit on the Kiwis and gain any advantage they can.
Test Cricket is about a contest, not a one-sided walkover. Even with the
odds so heavily stacked against us, we managed to draw this series. Imagine
what we could have done if the Indians had organised the series *properly*,
giving us a fair shot? This is tear-jerking and *** curdling treatment,
and I won't take it anymore.

The Kiwis deserve better. And I really should get some sleep.

GO KIWIS!!

Aditya [Is Farhat Graeme Smith's 1st Test wicket?] Basrur

 
 
 

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Post by Cricketislife » Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:08:15

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:50:55 +1300, "Andrew Dunford"

Quote:

>One more thought.

>Australia's players all injured, and this Test series between NZ and India
>just warming up.  Solution: cancel the odo series and lay on some more
>Tests.

Yes, it would be lovely. Yesterday play was so good to watch, also
today pre Tea was good.  The first odo is in chennai, at chepauk, it
should be a good crowd turnout, under lights and also that night is
the Diwali night, so festival crowd would hit the stadium in great
mood.

Although I have to add, it has just started to rain here, for the last
couple of days, so it could get rained out!

 
 
 

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Post by Andrew Dunfor » Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:23:44



<snip>

Quote:
> Is there a Coc measure against it?

Ask Joel yourself.

<snip>

Andrew

 
 
 

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Post by Narayana » Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:25:10


Quote:

> > One more thought.

> > Australia's players all injured, and this Test series between NZ and
> > India just warming up.  Solution: cancel the odo series and lay on
> > some more Tests.

> Yes, but at Eden Gardens, or ***hede, or Chinnaswamy. I'm sick of this
> substandard treatment being meted out to the NZ team. Do you know it's been
> at least 40 years since we played at the home of Indian Cricket (and no, I'm
> not talking about the Tollygunge Club)? Gavin Larsen told me he'd *never*
> played at Eden Gardens. Is that disgusting, or is that disgusting? For the
> second tour in succession now, NZ has been relegated to mediocre venues. I
> think this is because the authorities are scared that NZ will win with the
> big atmosphere, what with having practiced with crowd noise and in the heat.

No. It is not that. Mediocre teams get mediocre venues.
As simple as that.

N-

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> These Indians are cowards, and they'd better get their house in order. I've
> had enough of Dalmiya's shenanigans. Is there a Coc measure against it? Can
> Mani do something?

> The Black Caps are here, McMillan's ***, and they're proud of it. I'm
> disgusted at the horrific treatment meted out to the New Zealanders. I think
> it's sickening, depraved, cruel and inhuman. I think India is doing too much
> to try and get an advantage. The Indian authorities make me sick. They're
> always looking to put shit on the Kiwis and gain any advantage they can.
> Test Cricket is about a contest, not a one-sided walkover. Even with the
> odds so heavily stacked against us, we managed to draw this series. Imagine
> what we could have done if the Indians had organised the series *properly*,
> giving us a fair shot? This is tear-jerking and *** curdling treatment,
> and I won't take it anymore.

> The Kiwis deserve better. And I really should get some sleep.

> GO KIWIS!!

> Aditya [Is Farhat Graeme Smith's 1st Test wicket?] Basrur

 
 
 

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Post by samarth harish sha » Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:35:16

Quote:



> <snip>

> > Final thoughts:

> > -  A bit of a disappointment in not winning at least one, but props to the
> > Kiwis who came out it with even honors, and not just m***victories.
> Great
> > show by my continuing nightmare: Tuffey.  And I don't care how he did
> > elsewhere, after seeing him in NZ, and in this match, he has to be seen as
> a
> > vastly underrated bowler.  With Bond and Butler, the Kiwis have some real
> > options, even if Cairns is done.  And Vettori can't hurt them at all.

> > - For India, some ray of hope at one of the opening spots, and the bowling
> > has raised more questions than when they entered the series.  Nehra will
> > help, but they need a lot more.  Patel's disaster was a one-off, but his
> > batting is still a concern.  SRT will be ok, don't worry about him.

> > -  DON'T HAVE TO SEE TUFFEY AGAINST INDIA FOR FOUR YEARS!
> YIPPEE-KA-YA-YE!

> One more thought.

As if such things are required in deciding itinerary. The ODOfest starts
in Madras in a few days. It is about the peak of the monsoon there right
now.

-Samarth.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> Australia's players all injured, and this Test series between NZ and India
> just warming up.  Solution: cancel the odo series and lay on some more
> Tests.

> Andrew

 
 
 

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Post by samarth harish sha » Wed, 22 Oct 2003 04:00:58

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, it was written:

<snip>

Quote:
> Tendulkar: C-
>     His dismissal started the collapse in T2, and has struggled quite a bit.
> As the premier batsman of his side, a lot more is expected, especially when
> pitches were conducive to batting for a large part in the matches.  Had his
> chance in T2I2 but failed.  Good utility bowler, could help out with the 5th
> bowler option.  For those keeping track, he now has still only one series
> below 25 :-)

Some of us, like Uday, RK, and yours truly, have been keeping track
several series 'failures' in the last year and a half. :-) As someone
said, Tendulkar is not Tendulkar any more.

-Samarth.

 
 
 

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Post by xs » Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:32:27


Quote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, it was written:

> <snip>

> > Tendulkar: C-
> >     His dismissal started the collapse in T2, and has struggled quite a bit.
> > As the premier batsman of his side, a lot more is expected, especially when
> > pitches were conducive to batting for a large part in the matches.  Had his
> > chance in T2I2 but failed.  Good utility bowler, could help out with the 5th
> > bowler option.  For those keeping track, he now has still only one series
> > below 25 :-)

> Some of us, like Uday, RK, and yours truly, have been keeping track
> several series 'failures' in the last year and a half. :-) As someone
> said, Tendulkar is not Tendulkar any more.

First, people said that Tendulkar is not
Richards. Then they said he is not Don
Bradman. Now he is not even Tendulkar any
more.

Poor ***er. Soon, Sehwag will be Tendulkar
and Tendulkar will not even be Sehwag.

In any case, so long as Dravid is Dravid
and Laxman is Laxman, things will be all
right, I suppose.

s.

 
 
 

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Post by Shariq A. Tar » Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:35:00


Quote:

> Some of us, like Uday, RK, and yours truly, have been keeping track
> several series 'failures' in the last year and a half. :-) As someone
> said, Tendulkar is not Tendulkar any more.

> -Samarth.

I think it is important to note that he is coming back into
international cricket after almost a 6 month layoff that featured an
operation and several painful months of rehabilitation. Someone
mentioned that he did not even pick up a bat until August. Something
similar happend to him when he returned for the series in NZ after an
injury but he showed us a thing or two in the world cup don't you
think

Shariq

 
 
 

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Post by Aditya Basru » Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:08:11


Quote:


message


> > > One more thought.

> > > Australia's players all injured, and this Test series between NZ and
> > > India just warming up.  Solution: cancel the odo series and lay on
> > > some more Tests.

> > Yes, but at Eden Gardens, or ***hede, or Chinnaswamy. I'm sick of this
> > substandard treatment being meted out to the NZ team. Do you know it's
been
> > at least 40 years since we played at the home of Indian Cricket (and no,
I'm
> > not talking about the Tollygunge Club)? Gavin Larsen told me he'd
*never*
> > played at Eden Gardens. Is that disgusting, or is that disgusting? For
the
> > second tour in succession now, NZ has been relegated to mediocre venues.
I
> > think this is because the authorities are scared that NZ will win with
the
> > big atmosphere, what with having practiced with crowd noise and in the
heat.

> No. It is not that. Mediocre teams get mediocre venues.
> As simple as that.

> N-

Mediocre?

Could you name me another team which has done anything comparable to:

1. Drawing with Australia in Australia
2. Drawing with Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka
3. Drawing with India in India
4. Beating WI in WI
5. Beating England in England

in the past four years?

All right, so South Africa and Pakistan remain a bit of a blot, but our away
record is far superior to India's in recent times. This is duly reflected in
our Test rankings. Plus we've taken most comers (including Pakistan) at
home, fairly convincingly.

For India to get on its high horse about NZ being a 'mediocre' team is a bit
rich.

<snip>

Aditya

 
 
 

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Post by Narayana » Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:19:28


Quote:




> message


> > > > One more thought.

> > > > Australia's players all injured, and this Test series between NZ and
> > > > India just warming up.  Solution: cancel the odo series and lay on
> > > > some more Tests.

> > > Yes, but at Eden Gardens, or ***hede, or Chinnaswamy. I'm sick of this
> > > substandard treatment being meted out to the NZ team. Do you know it's
> been
> > > at least 40 years since we played at the home of Indian Cricket (and no,
> I'm
> > > not talking about the Tollygunge Club)? Gavin Larsen told me he'd
> *never*
> > > played at Eden Gardens. Is that disgusting, or is that disgusting? For
> the
> > > second tour in succession now, NZ has been relegated to mediocre venues.
> I
> > > think this is because the authorities are scared that NZ will win with
> the
> > > big atmosphere, what with having practiced with crowd noise and in the
> heat.

> > No. It is not that. Mediocre teams get mediocre venues.
> > As simple as that.

> > N-

> Mediocre?

I was just kidding. however, I see no harm in giving them venues
which are as bad as they gave India.

N-

 
 
 

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Post by Cricketislife » Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:30:16

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:08:11 -0000, "Aditya Basrur"

Quote:

>Mediocre?

>Could you name me another team which has done anything comparable to:

>1. Drawing with Australia in Australia
>2. Drawing with Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka
>3. Drawing with India in India
>4. Beating WI in WI
>5. Beating England in England

>in the past four years?

>All right, so South Africa and Pakistan remain a bit of a blot, but our away
>record is far superior to India's in recent times. This is duly reflected in
>our Test rankings. Plus we've taken most comers (including Pakistan) at
>home, fairly convincingly.

>For India to get on its high horse about NZ being a 'mediocre' team is a bit
>rich.

Uff. N was talking about Indian cricket team.
 
 
 

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Post by samarth harish sha » Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:13:32


Quote:

> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, it was written:

> > <snip>

> > > Tendulkar: C-
> > >     His dismissal started the collapse in T2, and has struggled quite a bit.
> > > As the premier batsman of his side, a lot more is expected, especially when
> > > pitches were conducive to batting for a large part in the matches.  Had his
> > > chance in T2I2 but failed.  Good utility bowler, could help out with the 5th
> > > bowler option.  For those keeping track, he now has still only one series
> > > below 25 :-)

> > Some of us, like Uday, RK, and yours truly, have been keeping track
> > several series 'failures' in the last year and a half. :-) As someone
> > said, Tendulkar is not Tendulkar any more.

> First, people said that Tendulkar is not
> Richards. Then they said he is not Don
> Bradman. Now he is not even Tendulkar any
> more.

> Poor ***er. Soon, Sehwag will be Tendulkar
> and Tendulkar will not even be Sehwag.

> In any case, so long as Dravid is Dravid
> and Laxman is Laxman, things will be all
> right, I suppose.

LOL!

-Samarth.