Darryl Hair's umpiring !!!

Darryl Hair's umpiring !!!

Post by Viji » Wed, 12 Jun 1996 04:00:00


I think most people would agree that D.Hair gave rather a poor display
in the 1 st test between Eng and India. I just wonder if it is merely a coincidence that all the
poor decisions he took went against the Indians?
So there is something for you to think about.
I think he is a very poor and controversial umpire but the funny thing is still gets to umpire
important matches !!!!

Viji

 
 
 

Darryl Hair's umpiring !!!

Post by Kent Weston-Arno » Thu, 13 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>I think most people would agree that D.Hair gave rather a poor display
>in the 1 st test between Eng and India. I just wonder if it is merely a coincidence that all the
>poor decisions he took went against the Indians?
>So there is something for you to think about.
>I think he is a very poor and controversial umpire but the funny thing is still gets to umpire
>important matches !!!!
>Viji

I think I've got to agree with you mate. As a proud Kiwi there have
been some dodgy decisions made in the past that seem never to have
gone in NZ's favour, whereas the Aussies were treated more than fairly

Kent

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Baldwi » Thu, 13 Jun 1996 04:00:00


writes

Quote:
>I think most people would agree that D.Hair gave rather a poor display
>in the 1 st test between Eng and India. I just wonder if it is merely a
>coincidence that all the
>poor decisions he took went against the Indians?

Hussain was born in India and he had the best of one decision. IMHO I
don't think that there is anything in the racist argument I just think
he is a poor umpire.

--
Paul Baldwin
I'd rather be a bear than a pear.

 
 
 

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Post by Dave Wa » Thu, 13 Jun 1996 04:00:00

|>I think most people would agree that D.Hair gave rather a poor display
|>in the 1 st test between Eng and India. I just wonder if it is merely a
|>coincidence that all the
|>poor decisions he took went against the Indians?
|>So there is something for you to think about.
|>I think he is a very poor and controversial umpire but the funny thing is
|>still gets to umpire
|>important matches !!!!
|>
|>Viji
|>

    This is simply not true.  I agree that a majority of the bad decisions so
far this summer have gone against the Indians, but by no means all of them
have.  One example:  Knight's LBW in England's second innings of the first test
was probably going over the stumps (as the side camera showed).  Nobody made
a fuss about it because it didn't affect the outcome, but if Hair had made
that decision against one of the Indians everybody would be screaming about
it (I don't remember which umpire made that call).  During the one day series
there were several dodgy LBW's against England, I remember one in particular
against Hick.  
    This is all getting a bit tedious.  If India were losing these matches by
narrow margins I might agree that the umpiring is worth discussing, but India
has been batting pathetically (giving away wickets left and right), their
second-line bowling has been laughable, and even their fielding has been weak.
As a result they are losing badly.  I hope they play better in the next two
tests and make a real series out of this, but if they don't they will lose and
it won't be the umpire's fault.

Dave Wark

 
 
 

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Post by K Sarat » Thu, 13 Jun 1996 04:00:00

: >I think most people would agree that D.Hair gave rather a poor display
: >in the 1 st test between Eng and India. I just wonder if it is merely a coincidence that all the
: >poor decisions he took went against the Indians?
: >So there is something for you to think about.
: >I think he is a very poor and controversial umpire but the funny thing is still gets to umpire
: >important matches !!!!

: >Viji

: I think I've got to agree with you mate. As a proud Kiwi there have
: been some dodgy decisions made in the past that seem never to have
: gone in NZ's favour, whereas the Aussies were treated more than fairly

: Kent

  The Oz umpires are just as bad or even than the old Paki umpires. How many Aussie batsmen are given out lbw in Oz.  Any statistics on that?

 
 
 

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Post by Tim Fountai » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:



[snipped some true stuff about Hair]

Quote:

> I think I've got to agree with you mate. As a proud Kiwi there have
> been some dodgy decisions made in the past that seem never to have
> gone in NZ's favour, whereas the Aussies were treated more than fairly

> Kent

Can't quite say I agree with Kent.
Hair doesn't cheat, he is just plain ***y incompetent.
I don't know hoe the VCA, ACB or ICC have ever appointed the man.
The fact that he keeps getting appointed is, to me, unbelievable.
Whan a person keeps making bad decisions it will always appear as though
it is only against your team, and that is why so many people think he
cheats.

The only thing he handled well was the most controversial, the
Muralitharan throwing incident.
I don't think Murali throws, or even that if he does it helps bowling.
Hair had the guts to call him, and for that he must be commended, even
if not for anything else in his career.
Many other umpires had questioned Murali's action, and brought it to the
attention of the ICC. Hair was the only one to follow the Laws of
cricket, which state that if an umpire is not totally satiafied with the
action he IS TO call no-ball.
(Not may call no-ball, but is to call no-ball.)
Given that law the question must also be asked of other umpires who have
obvioiusly not been satisfied with his action, but failed to call a
no-ball.

 
 
 

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Post by Haresh Gurna » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00


: writes
: >I think most people would agree that D.Hair gave rather a poor display
: >in the 1 st test between Eng and India. I just wonder if it is merely a
: >coincidence that all the
: >poor decisions he took went against the Indians?

: Hussain was born in India and he had the best of one decision. IMHO I
: don't think that there is anything in the racist argument I just think
: he is a poor umpire.

: --
: Paul Baldwin
: I'd rather be a bear than a pear.

It is difficult to say if D. Hair is incompetent, or racist, or both (but
definitely not neither). The fact is that he has been involved in bad decisions
in the past and still is on the Int. panel. Wonder whether there is something
more to it. A once-upon-a-time decent umpire like Steve Randall made some
very poor decisions against the Sri Lankans. Watching the games live on
ESPN, one couldn't help but feel that if "all bad" decisions are against
one side only, maybe it is a good idea to change the umpire (both umpires
in this particular case).

But we don't expect the Aussies to change anything since the umpires
are probably just doing their job.

With the technology of a third umpire available, the extra time in making
decisions is better than giving a wrong decision. The idea should not be
to limit the third umpire to a pre-defined role only.

Haresh

 
 
 

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Post by Bob Dube » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>I think most people would agree that D.Hair gave rather a poor display
>in the 1 st test between Eng and India. I just wonder if it is merely a coincidence that all the
>poor decisions he took went against the Indians?
>So there is something for you to think about.
>I think he is a very poor and controversial umpire but the funny thing is still gets to umpire
>important matches !!!!

Well, I didn't see the England/India game, but I've seen Mr Hair stand
before and yes, there have been some controversial decisions given by
him.

Personally I'd be keen to find out from players if they have
confidence in Mr Hair given his reputation.

As I understand it, the neutral umpires are assigned matches by the
ICC but the members of that panel are nominated by their home
authorities, so if the ACB reckon that Hair is best or second best in
Oz then he's on the panel and the ICC will make use of him.

Which makes me wonder who SAs new member on the panel - after Karl
Liebenberg's retirement - will be...

Bob Dubery
Johannesburg
RSA

--
"You're entering a non-existent universe.
Consider the consequences"

Clifford Stoll.
Silicon Snake Oil

 
 
 

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Post by viji » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00

This is simply not true.  I agree that a majority of the bad decisions so

Quote:
> far this summer have gone against the Indians, but by no means all of them
> have.  One example:  Knight's LBW in England's second innings of the first test
> was probably going over the stumps (as the side camera showed).  Nobody made
> a fuss about it because it didn't affect the outcome, but if Hair had made
> that decision against one of the Indians everybody would be screaming
> Dave Wark

Hi Dave,
I think you are missing the point here... I never said India lost b'cause
 of poor umpiring..I just thought for a umpire of his experience Hair had
a very poor game.. and I think u might agree on this.. judgng by the
recent controvarsies ha has had with SL and RSA , I don't think he ia a
very popular man ..BTWay I am an English supporter..
Viji
 
 
 

Darryl Hair's umpiring !!!

Post by viji » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00

This is simply not true.  I agree that a majority of the bad decisions so

Quote:
> far this summer have gone against the Indians, but by no means all of them
> have.  One example:  Knight's LBW in England's second innings of the first test
> was probably going over the stumps (as the side camera showed).  Nobody made
> a fuss about it because it didn't affect the outcome, but if Hair had made
> that decision against one of the Indians everybody would be screaming
> Dave Wark

Hi Dave,
I think you are missing the point here... I never said India lost b'cause
 of poor umpiring..I just thought for a umpire of his experience Hair had
a very poor game.. and I think u might agree on this.. judgng by the
recent controvarsies ha has had with SL and RSA , I don't think he ia a
very popular man ..BTWay I am an English supporter..
Viji
 
 
 

Darryl Hair's umpiring !!!

Post by Tim Fountai » Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>   The Oz umpires are just as bad or even than the old Paki umpires. How many Aussie batsmen are given out lbw in Oz.  Any statistics on that?

No statistics, but perhaps half a reason for any discrepancies in recent
t years.

Australian pitches bounce more than most pitches in other countries.
This is widely recognised. As a result fewer LBW decisions are given to
pace and swing bowlers overall.
In recent years a lot LBWs have been given to Warne (as I said no stats,
merely surmising, but I believe that this would be true).

The question must be asked why Warne would get more LBW decisions than
other spinners.
Answer: His flipper.

The ball continues on nearly straight, giving the umpire ample
opportunity to see the direction of the ball and decrease any doubt in
his mind.

As a sidelight, I don't think Australia can claim to be World Champions
until they beat the West Indies in conditions that suit the West Indies
best. For the West Indies the best conditions are Australian due to the
bounce in the pitches and the nature of the West Indian bowling.

Tim Fountain.

 
 
 

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Post by Shariq Ahmed Tari » Sun, 16 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> >   The Oz umpires are just as bad or even than the old Paki umpires. How many Aussie batsmen are given out lbw in Oz.  Any statistics on that?

> No statistics, but perhaps half a reason for any discrepancies in recent
> t years.

> Australian pitches bounce more than most pitches in other countries.
> This is widely recognised. As a result fewer LBW decisions are given to
> pace and swing bowlers overall.

        Definitely true. The only Aussie bowler who comes to mind
        who got many lbw decisions is Terry Alderman but then again
        he got lbws whereever he went because he was spot on almost all
        the time and bowled a fairly full length. Gooch lbw Alderman
        was the distinguishing feature of the 1989 Ashes series in
        Engalnd. In Australia a couple of years later Gooch
        was not out lbw as often. So nothing to do with Aussie
        umpires and as Tim pointed out a lot to do with the pitches.
        Imran wrote that he often had a problem with getting his length
        right whenever he played in different atmospheres. His words
        were"...when I start playing in England I find myself pitching
        too short and when I start playing after an English season or
        tour I find myself pitching too full..."

Quote:
> In recent years a lot LBWs have been given to Warne (as I said no stats,
> merely surmising, but I believe that this would be true).

> The question must be asked why Warne would get more LBW decisions than
> other spinners.
> Answer: His flipper.

        Warne is an incredibly accurate bowler and has a knack
        of producing unplayable balls because of the turn
        he is able to impart on the ball. His flipper is no
        different because it looks like a leg break which will
        turn miles and the batsmen square up to play it away
        with the spin on the off side and it just goes straight
        on, quick and fast and stays really low and hence the lbws.
        Saleem Malik was able to negotiate Warne because he was
        able to pick up Warne's toppie and his flipper from his
        leggie. However, not many batsmen can read and play
        spinners as well as Saleem. And despite this Saleem
        had his problems against Warne because Warne is a great
        great bowler.
Quote:

> The ball continues on nearly straight, giving the umpire ample
> opportunity to see the direction of the ball and decrease any doubt in
> his mind.

        True. But the fact that quicker balls by spinners tend to keep
        low because they are bowled with a lower arm action (quicker
        balls are realeased a fraction later than the spinner's
        stock ball whereas slower flighted balls are realeased
        a fraction earlier than his stock ball) has a lot to do with
        Warne getting the lbws on any wicket be it in Aussieland
        or Engalnd

Quote:
> As a sidelight, I don't think Australia can claim to be World Champions
> until they beat the West Indies in conditions that suit the West Indies
> best. For the West Indies the best conditions are Australian due to the
> bounce in the pitches and the nature of the West Indian bowling.

        Hey they beat the West Indies in West Indies and hence became
        the first team to do so in like 21 or 22 years so I think the
        tag of the best team in the world belongs to them

Quote:
> Tim Fountain.

Shariq
 
 
 

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Post by Governor Stirling SH » Thu, 20 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:



> [snipped some true stuff about Hair]

> > I think I've got to agree with you mate. As a proud Kiwi there have
> > been some dodgy decisions made in the past that seem never to have
> > gone in NZ's favour, whereas the Aussies were treated more than fairly

> > Kent

> Can't quite say I agree with Kent.
> Hair doesn't cheat, he is just plain ***y incompetent.
> I don't know hoe the VCA, ACB or ICC have ever appointed the man.
> The fact that he keeps getting appointed is, to me, unbelievable.
> Whan a person keeps making bad decisions it will always appear as though
> it is only against your team, and that is why so many people think he
> cheats.

> The only thing he handled well was the most controversial, the
> Muralitharan throwing incident.
> I don't think Murali throws, or even that if he does it helps bowling.
> Hair had the guts to call him, and for that he must be commended, even
> if not for anything else in his career.
> Many other umpires had questioned Murali's action, and brought it to the
> attention of the ICC. Hair was the only one to follow the Laws of
> cricket, which state that if an umpire is not totally satiafied with the
> action he IS TO call no-ball.
> (Not may call no-ball, but is to call no-ball.)
> Given that law the question must also be asked of other umpires who have
> obvioiusly not been satisfied with his action, but failed to call a
> no-ball.

While I agree that D.Hair is incompetent, I feel that Murali throws blatantly.

Adam