So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by Dave -Turne » Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:39:32


Flintoff has promised that the last two test matches would be fought ought
of pride yet the last two test matches have been even more pathetic than the
previous three. At least we got more than 2.5 days worth of cricket in the
previous matches.
 
 
 

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by FIVE-NI » Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:11:20

A couple of these useless morons have got Lion tattoos tho haven't they? -
does that count for anything?


Quote:

>>Flintoff has promised that the last two test matches would be fought ought
>>of pride yet the last two test matches have been even more pathetic than
>>the
>>previous three. At least we got more than 2.5 days worth of cricket in the
>>previous matches.

> It would help if they played international competitive cricket. Once
> they have mastered that then they can branch out to play "for pride".
> whatever that means.

> Gerry


 
 
 

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by Mister » Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:31:26


Quote:
> Flintoff has promised that the last two test matches would be fought ought
> of pride yet the last two test matches have been even more pathetic than
> the previous three. At least we got more than 2.5 days worth of cricket in
> the previous matches.

Flintoff is without a doupt the worst captain ever both on and off the
field. Take what he says after one match and play it back, you won't be able
to tell which match he is talking about because he always looks on the
bright side of a pile of shit. He should just come out and say  " we were
***ing hopeless. We averaged 24 runs per wicket, australia averaged 55 so
both our batting and bowling is ***ed" instead of all this "We are looking
ahead to next game blah blah blah and have a good go in the nets against
each other." Heres an idea stop playing each other in the nets for battle of
the retards for a start. Seriously heads need to roll of this series and his
should be first. He simply isn't captain material.

 
 
 

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by Cicer » Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:48:54


Quote:



>> Flintoff has promised that the last two test matches would be fought
>> ought of pride yet the last two test matches have been even more pathetic
>> than the previous three. At least we got more than 2.5 days worth of
>> cricket in the previous matches.

> Flintoff is without a doupt the worst captain ever both on and off the
> field. Take what he says after one match and play it back, you won't be
> able to tell which match he is talking about because he always looks on
> the bright side of a pile of shit. He should just come out and say  " we
> were ***ing hopeless. We averaged 24 runs per wicket, australia averaged
> 55 so both our batting and bowling is ***ed" instead of all this "We are
> looking ahead to next game blah blah blah and have a good go in the nets
> against each other." Heres an idea stop playing each other in the nets for
> battle of the retards for a start. Seriously heads need to roll of this
> series and his should be first. He simply isn't captain material.

Perhaps you are correct. Then again, with a disappointing team it is very
easy to blame the captain. Similarly, it is easy to give a lot of plaudits
to Ponting for winning 5-0 but was his captaincy such a huge factor when you
have a team which was doing the job <shrugs>
 
 
 

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by Ian Galbrait » Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:09:58

[snip]

Quote:
> Perhaps you are correct. Then again, with a disappointing team it is very
> easy to blame the captain. Similarly, it is easy to give a lot of plaudits
> to Ponting for winning 5-0 but was his captaincy such a huge factor when you
> have a team which was doing the job <shrugs>

Maybe not tactically, although I think he's improving there, but I think
his captaincy had an element similar to Steve Waugh's of driving the whole
team towards the result.

--
You Can't Stop The Signal

 
 
 

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by Awesome Br » Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:57:30

Quote:

> Flintoff has promised that the last two test matches would be fought ought
> of pride yet the last two test matches have been even more pathetic than the
> previous three. At least we got more than 2.5 days worth of cricket in the
> previous matches.

I don't know about you, but I'm very proud of the brave fight they put
up against an overwhelmingly superior opposition.

AB

 
 
 

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by gF » Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:05:59

Quote:



>>> Flintoff has promised that the last two test matches would be fought ought of pride yet the last two test matches have been even
>>> more pathetic than the previous three. At least we got more than 2.5 days worth of cricket in the previous matches.

>> Flintoff is without a doupt the worst captain ever both on and off the field. Take what he says after one match and play it back,
>> you won't be able to tell which match he is talking about because he always looks on the bright side of a pile of shit. He should
>> just come out and say  " we were ***ing hopeless. We averaged 24 runs per wicket, australia averaged 55 so both our batting and
>> bowling is ***ed" instead of all this "We are looking ahead to next game blah blah blah and have a good go in the nets against
>> each other." Heres an idea stop playing each other in the nets for battle of the retards for a start. Seriously heads need to
>> roll of this series and his should be first. He simply isn't captain material.

> Perhaps you are correct. Then again, with a disappointing team it is very easy to blame the captain. Similarly, it is easy to give
> a lot of plaudits to Ponting for winning 5-0 but was his captaincy such a huge factor when you have a team which was doing the job
> <shrugs>

nope.  Quite simply Flintoff is not Captain material
this is not to assail his general cricket ability
just that he has no idea about controlling a team or game

gF

 
 
 

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by Mister » Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:53:27

Quote:

> nope.  Quite simply Flintoff is not Captain material
> this is not to assail his general cricket ability
> just that he has no idea about controlling a team or game

Agreed he is great player but fielding and bowling selections were very very
poor.
 
 
 

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by mick » Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:41:13

Quote:


> > Flintoff has promised that the last two test matches would be fought ought
> > of pride yet the last two test matches have been even more pathetic than the
> > previous three. At least we got more than 2.5 days worth of cricket in the
> > previous matches.

> I don't know about you, but I'm very proud of the brave fight they put
> up against an overwhelmingly superior opposition.

> AB

We needed Vaughan as Captain, to stand any chance.By unbelievingly
losing the second test after scoring over 550 runs, this inspired the
Aussies to go for the 5-0. He should have made absolutely sure of the
draw.We didn't need to win this series only draw it.
 
 
 

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by sdavmo » Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:37:08

Quote:



>>> Flintoff has promised that the last two test matches would be
>>> fought ought of pride yet the last two test matches have been
>>> even more pathetic than the previous three. At least we got
>>> more than 2.5 days worth of cricket in the previous matches.
>> I don't know about you, but I'm very proud of the brave fight
>> they put up against an overwhelmingly superior opposition.

>> AB
> We needed Vaughan as Captain, to stand any chance.By unbelievingly
> losing the second test after scoring over 550 runs, this inspired
> the Aussies to go for the 5-0. He should have made absolutely sure
> of the draw.We didn't need to win this series only draw it.

Which makes being a Monday Morning Quarterback so easy. Try this on
for a lineup that would goin with the intent of drawing the series 0-0:

Here's the first five bats, arrange them in any order you like. Mine is:

1) Strauss
2) Joyce (Cook)
3) Cook (Joyce)
4) Bell
5) Pietersen

or:

1) Strauss
2) Cook (Joyce)
3) Bell
4) Pietersen
5) Joyce (Cook)

depending on if the left-handers should be spread out in the order,
then the all-rounders:

6) Collingwood
7) Dalrymple
8) Flintoff
9) Jones (Read)

and the very short tail:

10) Giles (Broad, Plunkett, Lewis, Hoggard, Harmison, [Monty])
11) Broad (Plunkett, Lewis, Hoggard, Harmison, [Giles, Monty])

Depending on exactly how the bowling would be handled, Flintoff takes
the new ball with Broad (or indicated alternate in the indicated
order of their batting ability). Collingwood and Bell bowl some medium
pace to defensive fields. Giles and Dalrymple are the defensive
spinners with Pietersen available if need be. If three primary seamers
are fielded then maybe Giles and Panesar don't ever get a whiff of
playing -- but since the "bowling attack" doesn't give a toss about
bowling the other side out having Giles+Broad (Plunkett) at 10+11
should make Fletcher happy.

Putting Broad (Plunkett) at 11 this team would have been very hard to
bowl out, batting all the way down to the end, and there would have
been 5 deadly dull drawn tests. The game plan would have been to grind
the first three games into the dust putting up 600+ runs in the first
innings, preferably batting through into day 3 or 4 if there were
wickets in hand, never even thinking about declaring, carrying a 0-0
series into the Boxing Day game. Call it attritional warfare that
couldn't care less how many runs were scored or wickets fall, only
that it all take as long as humanly possible, causing the TV/radio
comms to be bitter and twisted, and the phone lines to the sports talk
shows being deluged with irate cricket fans wanting "action".

Maybe there'd have even been a win in there towards the end as Oz got
frantic about needing to get a win. But that wouldn't have been a
requirement and it all would have been dry stuff universally condemned
in public as negative cricket. It would have required a willingness on
the part of England's batsmen to cut all marginal attacking strokes
out of the game, only smacking the bad ball and taking singles. i.e.
not hooking at short stuff and flashing outside the off-stump without
moving their feet.

Had Vaughan been healthy then the lineup for this fantasy gets
extended even further:

1) Strauss
2) Cook
3) Vaughan
4) Bell
5) Pietersen
6) Joyce
7) Collingwood (Dalrymple)
8) Dalrymple (Collingwood)
9) Flintoff
10) Jones (Read)
11) Broad (Plunkett, Lewis, Hoggard, Harmison, Giles, Panesar)

Not a pretty site if a well-balanced team is what you want, but a good
team if you were committed to grinding every game into defensive draws
with the possibility that desperation on the other side might provide
a "bonus" win. It would play so there was no way Australia could get a
win (short of Mr.***up paying a visit). In some alternate universe
it might even have worked. ;-)

As with all flights of fantasy, YMMV.
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So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by Robert Henderso » Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:25:16


writes
Quote:
>Flintoff has promised that the last two test matches would be fought ought
>of pride yet the last two test matches have been even more pathetic than the
>previous three. At least we got more than 2.5 days worth of cricket in the
>previous matches.

When the team is (a) comprised of Englishmen and (b) managed by an
Englishman. Rh
--
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
 
 
 

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by gerri » Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:18:30


Quote:
> Flintoff has promised that the last two test matches would be fought ought
> of pride yet the last two test matches have been even more pathetic than
the
> previous three. At least we got more than 2.5 days worth of cricket in the
> previous matches.

Talking about pride: did you notice that most of the Australians donned
their baggy greens for the presentation?
I can't remember seeing any of the England players donning their official
cap.
Does this say something about pride?

Gerrit

 
 
 

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by Tony Foste » Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:29:21


Quote:

>>Flintoff has promised that the last two test matches would be fought ought
>>of pride yet the last two test matches have been even more pathetic than
>>the
>>previous three. At least we got more than 2.5 days worth of cricket in the
>>previous matches.

> When the team is (a) comprised of Englishmen and (b) managed by an
> Englishman. Rh

Change the record. Harmison doesn't appear appear to have much pride in
playing for his country judging by the way he can't wait to get back home.
 
 
 

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by Robert Henderso » Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:33:58



Quote:




>>>Flintoff has promised that the last two test matches would be fought ought
>>>of pride yet the last two test matches have been even more pathetic than
>>>the
>>>previous three. At least we got more than 2.5 days worth of cricket in the
>>>previous matches.

>> When the team is (a) comprised of Englishmen and (b) managed by an
>> Englishman. Rh

>Change the record. Harmison doesn't appear appear to have much pride in
>playing for his country judging by the way he can't wait to get back home.

The individual such as Harmison may lack pride but that is all the more
reason for surrounding him with those who do or indeed replacing him. RH

--
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

 
 
 

So when are England going to start "playing for pride"?

Post by Tony Foste » Wed, 10 Jan 2007 02:18:38


Quote:





>>> writes
>>>>Flintoff has promised that the last two test matches would be fought
>>>>ought
>>>>of pride yet the last two test matches have been even more pathetic than
>>>>the
>>>>previous three. At least we got more than 2.5 days worth of cricket in
>>>>the
>>>>previous matches.

>>> When the team is (a) comprised of Englishmen and (b) managed by an
>>> Englishman. Rh

>>Change the record. Harmison doesn't appear appear to have much pride in
>>playing for his country judging by the way he can't wait to get back home.

> The individual such as Harmison may lack pride but that is all the more
> reason for surrounding him with those who do or indeed replacing him. RH

If only he had the enthusiasm and work ethic of Panesar.......