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Post by rum.. » Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:23:03


http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_on_the.html

Apologies if this is a repost.

 
 
 

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Post by FRAN » Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:30:48

Quote:

> http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_on_the.html

> Apologies if this is a repost.

No way am I paying Murdoch one bent penny.

Fran

 
 
 

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Post by ColinKynoc » Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:44:36


that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:

Quote:


>> http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_on_the.html

>> Apologies if this is a repost.

>No way am I paying Murdoch one bent penny.

A saying springs to mind.  

Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Colin Kynoch
Who loves having Pay TV

 
 
 

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Post by FRAN » Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:46:16

Quote:


> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:


> >> http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_on_the.html

> >> Apologies if this is a repost.

> >No way am I paying Murdoch one bent penny.

> A saying springs to mind.

> Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

No. I weighed up the pros and cons, and there are enough people paying
him now for me to get copies from if I want anything. There's also
bittorent.

Sure it's less convenient but he's a total arse and it would annoy me
if I paid him anything deliberately when there was an alternative.

Fran

 
 
 

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Post by ColinKynoc » Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:59:09


that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:

Quote:



>> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:


>> >> http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_on_the.html

>> >> Apologies if this is a repost.

>> >No way am I paying Murdoch one bent penny.

>> A saying springs to mind.

>> Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

>No. I weighed up the pros and cons, and there are enough people paying
>him now for me to get copies from if I want anything. There's also
>bittorent.

So you find theft a perfectly acceptable activity Fran.  Interesting.

Quote:
>Sure it's less convenient but he's a total arse and it would annoy me
>if I paid him anything deliberately when there was an alternative.

Theft!!

Colin Kynoch

 
 
 

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Post by FRAN » Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:24:24

Quote:


> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:


> >> >> http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_on_the.html

> >> >> Apologies if this is a repost.

> >> >No way am I paying Murdoch one bent penny.

> >> A saying springs to mind.

> >> Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

> >No. I weighed up the pros and cons, and there are enough people paying
> >him now for me to get copies from if I want anything. There's also
> >bittorent.

> So you find theft a perfectly acceptable activity Fran.  Interesting.

> >Sure it's less convenient but he's a total arse and it would annoy me
> >if I paid him anything deliberately when there was an alternative.

> Theft!!

Can you steal from thieves and blackmailers?

Fran

 
 
 

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Post by ColinKynoc » Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:13:09


that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:

Quote:



>> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



>> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:


>> >> >> http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_on_the.html

>> >> >> Apologies if this is a repost.

>> >> >No way am I paying Murdoch one bent penny.

>> >> A saying springs to mind.

>> >> Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

>> >No. I weighed up the pros and cons, and there are enough people paying
>> >him now for me to get copies from if I want anything. There's also
>> >bittorent.

>> So you find theft a perfectly acceptable activity Fran.  Interesting.

>> >Sure it's less convenient but he's a total arse and it would annoy me
>> >if I paid him anything deliberately when there was an alternative.

>> Theft!!

>Can you steal from thieves and blackmailers?

Yes.

You appear to be stealing from Newscorp, PBL and Telstra

Colin Kynoch

 
 
 

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Post by FRAN » Thu, 16 Mar 2006 03:04:13

Quote:


> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



> >> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:


> >> >> >> http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_on_the.html

> >> >> >> Apologies if this is a repost.

> >> >> >No way am I paying Murdoch one bent penny.

> >> >> A saying springs to mind.

> >> >> Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

> >> >No. I weighed up the pros and cons, and there are enough people paying
> >> >him now for me to get copies from if I want anything. There's also
> >> >bittorent.

> >> So you find theft a perfectly acceptable activity Fran.  Interesting.

> >> >Sure it's less convenient but he's a total arse and it would annoy me
> >> >if I paid him anything deliberately when there was an alternative.

> >> Theft!!

> >Can you steal from thieves and blackmailers?

> Yes.

> You appear to be stealing from Newscorp, PBL and Telstra

> Colin Kynoch

Oh well, that's OK then

Fran

 
 
 

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Post by ColinKynoc » Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:54:30


that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:

Quote:



>> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



>> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



>> >> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:


>> >> >> >> http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_on_the.html

>> >> >> >> Apologies if this is a repost.

>> >> >> >No way am I paying Murdoch one bent penny.

>> >> >> A saying springs to mind.

>> >> >> Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

>> >> >No. I weighed up the pros and cons, and there are enough people paying
>> >> >him now for me to get copies from if I want anything. There's also
>> >> >bittorent.

>> >> So you find theft a perfectly acceptable activity Fran.  Interesting.

>> >> >Sure it's less convenient but he's a total arse and it would annoy me
>> >> >if I paid him anything deliberately when there was an alternative.

>> >> Theft!!

>> >Can you steal from thieves and blackmailers?

>> Yes.

>> You appear to be stealing from Newscorp, PBL and Telstra

>> Colin Kynoch

>Oh well, that's OK then

So where do you draw the line wrt to theft Fran?

Colin Kynoch

 
 
 

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Post by FRAN » Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:35:22

Quote:


> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



> >> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



> >> >> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:


> >> >> >> >> http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_on_the.html

> >> >> >> >> Apologies if this is a repost.

> >> >> >> >No way am I paying Murdoch one bent penny.

> >> >> >> A saying springs to mind.

> >> >> >> Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

> >> >> >No. I weighed up the pros and cons, and there are enough people paying
> >> >> >him now for me to get copies from if I want anything. There's also
> >> >> >bittorent.

> >> >> So you find theft a perfectly acceptable activity Fran.  Interesting.

> >> >> >Sure it's less convenient but he's a total arse and it would annoy me
> >> >> >if I paid him anything deliberately when there was an alternative.

> >> >> Theft!!

> >> >Can you steal from thieves and blackmailers?

> >> Yes.

> >> You appear to be stealing from Newscorp, PBL and Telstra

> >> Colin Kynoch

> >Oh well, that's OK then

> So where do you draw the line wrt to theft Fran?

You ask the wrong question here. The relevant questions are:

Do Murdoch and his cohorts have a legitimate claim to the assets in
question?
(If not, it's not theft)

Is it theft if someone isn't deprived of something they possess?

Fran

 
 
 

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Post by ColinKynoc » Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:11:56


that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:

Quote:



>> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



>> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



>> >> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



>> >> >> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:


>> >> >> >> >> http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_on_the.html

>> >> >> >> >> Apologies if this is a repost.

>> >> >> >> >No way am I paying Murdoch one bent penny.

>> >> >> >> A saying springs to mind.

>> >> >> >> Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

>> >> >> >No. I weighed up the pros and cons, and there are enough people paying
>> >> >> >him now for me to get copies from if I want anything. There's also
>> >> >> >bittorent.

>> >> >> So you find theft a perfectly acceptable activity Fran.  Interesting.

>> >> >> >Sure it's less convenient but he's a total arse and it would annoy me
>> >> >> >if I paid him anything deliberately when there was an alternative.

>> >> >> Theft!!

>> >> >Can you steal from thieves and blackmailers?

>> >> Yes.

>> >> You appear to be stealing from Newscorp, PBL and Telstra

>> >> Colin Kynoch

>> >Oh well, that's OK then

>> So where do you draw the line wrt to theft Fran?

>You ask the wrong question here. The relevant questions are:

>Do Murdoch and his cohorts have a legitimate claim to the assets in
>question?

Yes they do.

Quote:
>(If not, it's not theft)

They do so therefore it is theft.

Quote:
>Is it theft if someone isn't deprived of something they possess?

Copyright laws make what you are doing illegal.

You are depriving them of revenue that is rightfully theirs.  It is no
different to viewing pirated films, listening to pirated music or
using pirated software.

All are theft

Colin Kynoch

 
 
 

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Post by FRAN » Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:02:56

Quote:


> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



> >> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



> >> >> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:



> >> >> >> >> that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:


> >> >> >> >> >> http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_on_the.html

> >> >> >> >> >> Apologies if this is a repost.

> >> >> >> >> >No way am I paying Murdoch one bent penny.

> >> >> >> >> A saying springs to mind.

> >> >> >> >> Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

> >> >> >> >No. I weighed up the pros and cons, and there are enough people paying
> >> >> >> >him now for me to get copies from if I want anything. There's also
> >> >> >> >bittorent.

> >> >> >> So you find theft a perfectly acceptable activity Fran.  Interesting.

> >> >> >> >Sure it's less convenient but he's a total arse and it would annoy me
> >> >> >> >if I paid him anything deliberately when there was an alternative.

> >> >> >> Theft!!

> >> >> >Can you steal from thieves and blackmailers?

> >> >> Yes.

> >> >> You appear to be stealing from Newscorp, PBL and Telstra

> >> >> Colin Kynoch

> >> >Oh well, that's OK then

> >> So where do you draw the line wrt to theft Fran?

> >You ask the wrong question here. The relevant questions are:

> >Do Murdoch and his cohorts have a legitimate claim to the assets in
> >question?

> Yes they do.

Not in my opinion, which is one of the things you were implicitly
asking.

Quote:

> >(If not, it's not theft)

> They do so therefore it is theft.

No -- these things ought to be provided FTA as part of their licencing
agreement to hold the bandwidth. It's only because they and the
government have cooked up a scheme to suit themsleves that has allowed
them to get away with this. These crims are all in bed. And if while
they are canoodling, people help themselves to some of the product they
ought not to have, then they don't have any business complaining, IMO.

Quote:
> >Is it theft if someone isn't deprived of something they possess?

> Copyright laws make what you are doing illegal.

> You are depriving them of revenue that is rightfully theirs.

No I'm not. I'd never intended to pay. Had they been in a position to
make that condition absolute, I'd have gone without. So I haven't cost
them anything.

Quote:
>  It is no
> different to viewing pirated films, listening to pirated music or
> using pirated software.

It depends. In Murdoch's case, he is a pirate, his stuff is contraband,
and he has no rights to property that bind me, IMO.

Fran

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> All are theft

> Colin Kynoch

 
 
 

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Post by Geoff Muldoo » Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:05:06

Now I am *not* a fan Murdoch, but ....


Quote:
> > >Do Murdoch and his cohorts have a legitimate claim to the assets in
> > >question?

> > Yes they do.

> Not in my opinion, which is one of the things you were implicitly
> asking.

Why not?  They paid perfectly good money to Cricket Australia for those
broadcast rights.

Quote:
> >  It is no
> > different to viewing pirated films, listening to pirated music or
> > using pirated software.

> It depends. In Murdoch's case, he is a pirate, his stuff is contraband,
> and he has no rights to property that bind me, IMO.

You're shooting at the wrong target, Fran.  

Murdoch's product is *not* contraband, it was legitimately purchased from
Cricket Australia.  Perhaps you believe that CA should not have entered
into an agreement which left free-to-air viewer out in the cold (or
perhaps that they should not have been *allowed* to do so by legislation),
but that's a different thing.

Take your anger out on CA (and/or the government) rather than Murdoch.

GM

 
 
 

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Post by FRAN » Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:26:58

Quote:

> Now I am *not* a fan Murdoch, but ....


> > > >Do Murdoch and his cohorts have a legitimate claim to the assets in
> > > >question?

> > > Yes they do.

> > Not in my opinion, which is one of the things you were implicitly
> > asking.

> Why not?  They paid perfectly good money to Cricket Australia for those
> broadcast rights.

But they got them through a whole system which is a cartel -- between
themselves as broadcasters and the government. The government gives
them what they want, and Murdoch's papers spend years extolling
Howard's virtues in return.

Quote:
> > >  It is no
> > > different to viewing pirated films, listening to pirated music or
> > > using pirated software.

> > It depends. In Murdoch's case, he is a pirate, his stuff is contraband,
> > and he has no rights to property that bind me, IMO.

> You're shooting at the wrong target, Fran.

> Murdoch's product is *not* contraband, it was legitimately purchased from
> Cricket Australia.

They can purchase what they like. The broadcast service obligations
should not permit them to siphon it off in an attempt to force people
into their service. They should be required to supply a feed to FTA, or
at the very least, a highlights package of about an hour from each day
of play.

Quote:
> Perhaps you believe that CA should not have entered
> into an agreement which left free-to-air viewer out in the cold (or
> perhaps that they should not have been *allowed* to do so by legislation),
> but that's a different thing.

That too, but I remember Wapping and Murdoch and Thatcher and as far as
I'm concerned he and whoever is in bed with him can go hang before I'll
pay them. If his thugs pressed the muzzle of an Uzi into my face, I
might part with a coin or two, but I'd wait to hear them squeeze down
on the trigger to pay the folding stuff to him. If the *only* way I
could see moving images on any screen were to pay him, I'd become an
Amish in preference as the lesser evil.

Quote:
> Take your anger out on CA (and/or the government) rather than Murdoch.

> GM

Nah .. hell will freeze over before I pay him. (And I don't even
believe in hell)

He is, without doubt, one of the nastiest pieces of work amongst the
seriously influential on the face of the planet  Perhaps, three years
after he went bankrupt, his enterprises seized by people who really
hated him, if I came upon him sleeping rough on a park bench, I might
run out and buy a bootleg of one of his cricket games and gift wrap it
for him to trade for coffee. Until then, he gets nothing from me.

Fran

 
 
 

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Post by maie » Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:13:56

fran,

no fta tv station wants the cricket, remember the ashes? took a last minute
intervention to even get it on tv here. and sbs at that. even if the SA was
offered up for free to a tv network they wouldnt want it as it eats into
prime time. havent done for years and years , never will again.

all overseas tours are offered up to fta and they ignore them time and
again.