England's pathetic batting performance

England's pathetic batting performance

Post by Crickete » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:10:25


England were all out for a measly 617.  They couldn't even score a 1000 runs
against such a terrible bowling attack.  Pathetic performance by England.
Shameful, really! :-)

The worst batsman on view was Michael Vaughan who succumbed so easily and
gave up his chance to break Lara's record with the first Test quadruple
century ever.  There was no shortage of support from the Indian bowlers who
were even willing to let Vaughan take a shot at Lara's first class record of
501 but Vaughan just wasn't man enough to take advantage of that.  What a
m***victory for Indian bowlers!  English batsmen 0 - Indian bowlers 1. :)

Let's see if the English batsmen can improve their lousy performances and
come good in the remaining two Tests.  English fans, keep your fingers
crossed.

 
 
 

England's pathetic batting performance

Post by Luke Curti » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:21:44



Quote:
>England were all out for a measly 617.  They couldn't even score a 1000 runs
>against such a terrible bowling attack.  Pathetic performance by England.
>Shameful, really! :-)

>The worst batsman on view was Michael Vaughan who succumbed so easily and
>gave up his chance to break Lara's record with the first Test quadruple
>century ever.  There was no shortage of support from the Indian bowlers who
>were even willing to let Vaughan take a shot at Lara's first class record of
>501 but Vaughan just wasn't man enough to take advantage of that.  What a
>m***victory for Indian bowlers!  English batsmen 0 - Indian bowlers 1. :)

>Let's see if the English batsmen can improve their lousy performances and
>come good in the remaining two Tests.  English fans, keep your fingers
>crossed.

LOL!
3 or 4 years ago the though that England would get 300 with any
regularity let alone 500 would have been met with hoots of derision...
lets hope Hussain does not quit the captaincy after the World cup next
year as has been predicted...

--
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systemishowit'sdesigned!Thatdependsonwhyitwasdesigned!
Ihavetoknowwhatwhoeverdesigneditwastryingtoprotect!
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England's pathetic batting performance

Post by Mike Holman » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:08:41

On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:21:44 +0100, Luke Curtis

Quote:
>>Let's see if the English batsmen can improve their lousy performances and
>>come good in the remaining two Tests.  English fans, keep your fingers
>>crossed.

>LOL!
>3 or 4 years ago the though that England would get 300 with any
>regularity let alone 500 would have been met with hoots of derision...
>lets hope Hussain does not quit the captaincy after the World cup next
>year as has been predicted...

Atherton did a longish interview with him for C4 just before this
Test, which was broadcast during a lunch interval (I forget which
day), in which Hussain made it fairly clear that he thinks it unlikely
that he'll be able to carry on as captain after next season (ie not
after the WC, but in just over a year from now). He was basically
saying that there are only so many bad sessions, disappointing losses,
or things you wish you'd done another way that you can take, and that
he thinks there's only about another year of them left in him.

It's a sort of hit points view of the captaincy, with series wins
against SL or India being minor healing crystals, but the Ashes and
the WC being really risky combats in which he stands to sustain huge
hit point damage without reaching the major healing crystals of
winning either event.

Cheers,

Mike

 
 
 

England's pathetic batting performance

Post by Phil Wis » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:00:17


Quote:
> On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:21:44 +0100, Luke Curtis

> >>Let's see if the English batsmen can improve their lousy performances
and
> >>come good in the remaining two Tests.  English fans, keep your fingers
> >>crossed.

> >LOL!
> >3 or 4 years ago the though that England would get 300 with any
> >regularity let alone 500 would have been met with hoots of derision...
> >lets hope Hussain does not quit the captaincy after the World cup next
> >year as has been predicted...

> Atherton did a longish interview with him for C4 just before this
> Test, which was broadcast during a lunch interval (I forget which
> day), in which Hussain made it fairly clear that he thinks it unlikely
> that he'll be able to carry on as captain after next season (ie not
> after the WC, but in just over a year from now). He was basically
> saying that there are only so many bad sessions, disappointing losses,
> or things you wish you'd done another way that you can take, and that
> he thinks there's only about another year of them left in him.

> It's a sort of hit points view of the captaincy, with series wins
> against SL or India being minor healing crystals, but the Ashes and
> the WC being really risky combats in which he stands to sustain huge
> hit point damage without reaching the major healing crystals of
> winning either event.

Interesting.  I wonder what NH's view of Stephen Fleming's survival is.
Both these guys have developed into capable captains of teams that have
talent but do not always produce the results they are capable of.  In
addition, both have had to put up with some terrible injury luck.

Both have certainly gone through some hard times in charge.  But if you'd
asked me to guess, I'd have suggested that Nasser's more of a survivor.  His
demenor at the crease is certainly "harder" than Flem's.  But Flem's been
captaining the team since about 1996, and doesn't seem ready to give it away
yet.

Are the pressures (with the greater population, the gutter press etc)
significantly greater on Nasser, or are they just different personalities,
do you think?  Will Nasser keep playing, or is he looking to give the game
away at that point?

phil

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Quote:

> Cheers,

> Mike

 
 
 

England's pathetic batting performance

Post by Mike Holman » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:56:17

On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:00:17 +1200, "Phil Wise"

Quote:



>> Atherton did a longish interview with him for C4 just before this
>> Test, which was broadcast during a lunch interval (I forget which
>> day), in which Hussain made it fairly clear that he thinks it unlikely
>> that he'll be able to carry on as captain after next season (ie not
>> after the WC, but in just over a year from now). He was basically
>> saying that there are only so many bad sessions, disappointing losses,
>> or things you wish you'd done another way that you can take, and that
>> he thinks there's only about another year of them left in him.

>Interesting.  I wonder what NH's view of Stephen Fleming's survival is.

No idea.

Quote:
>Both have certainly gone through some hard times in charge.  But if you'd
>asked me to guess, I'd have suggested that Nasser's more of a survivor.  His
>demenor at the crease is certainly "harder" than Flem's.  But Flem's been
>captaining the team since about 1996, and doesn't seem ready to give it away
>yet.

>Are the pressures (with the greater population, the gutter press etc)
>significantly greater on Nasser, or are they just different personalities,
>do you think?  Will Nasser keep playing, or is he looking to give the game
>away at that point?

I think they're different personalities. I doubt Fleming has watched
his best cricketing buddy go through the traumas of the messy divorce
that Thorpe's involved in, and all the issues about what's more
important, family or cricket, and that's certainly a difference
between them. After all, Hussain's now 34 and has a young child, so
his priorities and career expectancy are rather different as well.

He was fairly cagey about whether he would carry on playing after
standing down from the captaincy, mainly because I don't think he
knows. My guess is that he will decide whether or not he believes
himself still to be good enough to play to the standards he currently
requires of his players, and if he doesn't think he is, he'll retire,
but otherwise he'll carry on. I'm pretty sure that he won't stand upon
the order of his going when he thinks the tank is empty, but he's not
going to make any decisions until the time comes when he has to.

Cheers,

Mike

 
 
 

England's pathetic batting performance

Post by Phil Wis » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:24:30


Quote:
> On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:00:17 +1200, "Phil Wise"

<cut>

 I think they're different personalities. I doubt Fleming has watched

Quote:
> his best cricketing buddy go through the traumas of the messy divorce
> that Thorpe's involved in, and all the issues about what's more
> important, family or cricket, and that's certainly a difference
> between them. After all, Hussain's now 34 and has a young child, so
> his priorities and career expectancy are rather different as well.

Yes, that certainly makes a difference.  I also didn't realise Nasser was
quite as old as that.  Who is the likely successor?  Perhaps a different
question, who would be the best successor, in the short and long terms?

phil

Quote:

> He was fairly cagey about whether he would carry on playing after
> standing down from the captaincy, mainly because I don't think he
> knows. My guess is that he will decide whether or not he believes
> himself still to be good enough to play to the standards he currently
> requires of his players, and if he doesn't think he is, he'll retire,
> but otherwise he'll carry on. I'm pretty sure that he won't stand upon
> the order of his going when he thinks the tank is empty, but he's not
> going to make any decisions until the time comes when he has to.

> Cheers,

> Mike

 
 
 

England's pathetic batting performance

Post by Jan Buxto » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:00:42


Quote:
> Yes, that certainly makes a difference.  I also didn't realise Nasser
> was quite as old as that.  Who is the likely successor?  Perhaps a
> different question, who would be the best successor, in the short and
> long terms?

The likely successors are Marcus Trescothick or Michael Vaughan. As for
the best? Who knows? I didn't think Nasser was going to be as good as he
was.

--
Jan

 
 
 

England's pathetic batting performance

Post by John Hal » Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:19:42



Quote:
>Who is the likely successor?

The three favourites seem to be Trescothick, Vaughan and Butcher,
probably in that order.

Quote:
>  Perhaps a different
>question, who would be the best successor, in the short and long terms?

Difficult to say, in that all three have very little captaincy
experience. Butcher did well leading Surrey at the start of the 1999
season when Adam Hollioake and a lot of the other top Surrey players
were taken away by the World Cup, but of course leading a county is very
different from leading a Test side.
--
John Hall
               "I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
                will hardly mind anything else."
                                           Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)
 
 
 

England's pathetic batting performance

Post by alve » Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:36:48


snippo

Quote:
> 3 or 4 years ago the though that England would get 300 with any
> regularity let alone 500 would have been met with hoots of derision...
> lets hope Hussain does not quit the captaincy after the World cup next
> year as has been predicted...

Question on NH's captaincy: As a keen member of the Ganguly Disliker's Club,
I noted the number of times that NH stood precisely in the batters postion,
looked like two legs, when Gangs was on strike to set the field (and with
Gangs batting it was probably something like, "How many gullies do you want?
Four or five?"). I didn't really notice NH doing this when anyone else was
batting. Did anyone?

Alvey
In Brisbane, suspecting NH is a member of the GDC as well.

 
 
 

England's pathetic batting performance

Post by Mike Holman » Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:11:09

On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:36:48 +1000, "alvey"

forth:

Quote:




>snippo

>> 3 or 4 years ago the though that England would get 300 with any
>> regularity let alone 500 would have been met with hoots of derision...
>> lets hope Hussain does not quit the captaincy after the World cup next
>> year as has been predicted...

>Question on NH's captaincy: As a keen member of the Ganguly Disliker's Club,
>I noted the number of times that NH stood precisely in the batters postion,
>looked like two legs, when Gangs was on strike to set the field (and with
>Gangs batting it was probably something like, "How many gullies do you want?
>Four or five?"). I didn't really notice NH doing this when anyone else was
>batting. Did anyone?

No, but then I wasn't looking to see to whom he was doing it. He's
done it when we haven't been playing India, so he must have done it to
someone other than Ganguly, though.

Cheers,

Mike