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> > > No thanks. After you told me to***off from Australia, (my home for
> over
> > > 35 years) you showed your true bigoted one nation Queensland colours
> Moby.
> > > That was way below the belt & a very low class comment. It deserves an
> > > apology.
> > No, I don't think so, SLarry. It was a question, not an instruction.. it
> > had one of those question mark things at the end of it..
> You don't get out of it THAT easily*** Moby. Don't try to squeeze through
> a gap that's not there dude.
Larry, I've just told you what I meant. You can keep believing what you
want to believe, but I fail to see how you can justify telling me what
I meant when not only did I tell you what I meant, but the original thing
I said backs that statement up.
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> > As of yet, I haven't seen an actual answer.
> > But I'm not at all surprised at your assumption, which -does- mean an
> > apology should be forthcoming.
> An apology from ME to YOU for getting insulted by YOU?? Is Queensland
> another planet or have you gone bananas?
Like that. Or indeed, the bit where you brought race into it.. I recall
someone saying that anyone who did that was a***head. I can't quite
remember who though. Do -you- remember SLarry?
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> > But asuming I did:
> > I am interested though, how "if you don't like Australia, *** off" is
> > bigotted.
> It is as bigoted as me saying to you, Australia belongs to the aborigines so
> *** off. Except for them, WE ARE ALL migrants in this country. Get over
> it.
YOU get over you get over your offensive habit of dragging race into any
conversation that you don't like the direction of. I was not aware that
you had to be of a specific race to not like Australia. I only said
(quite intentionally) that people who don't like Australia shouldn't be
living here. This doesn't mean that you are one of them and it doesn't
mean the people have to be of a certain race or religion not to like
Australia. As you've shown later in your post, a lot of people of all
races and religions do not like Australia. I suggest that -all- of them
would be happier elsewhere.
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> > You don't have to be born somewhere else to not like Australia.
> True but not relevant to this issue as I have NEVER said that I don't like
> Australia as a country.
Yers. And it amazes me why you hate so many things, but can still live
here. That's why I asked you the question. I don't like Victoria, I
wouldn't live there. What would you think if I chose to live there?
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> I know an Aussie mate who didn't like the Aussie red
> neck politics and left to live in the Philippines but other than that, I
> don't know a soul who doesn't like living in Australia.
Good luck those who like the place. Anyone who doesn't should seriously
think about going somewhere else. It would make them, and probably
everyone else a little happier.
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> > You could be a white, male, non-Jewish, hetero*** and not like
> > Australia.
> True. Again irrelevant to the issue at hand.
I don't see why. I said that anyone who doesn't like Australia shouldn't
stay here. This has NOT A ***ING THING to do with race and if you
answered the question, then you could have realised that it didn't have
anything to do with you.
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> > Perhaps you could tell me what is "bigoted" about not wanting people who
> > don't like Australia in Australia?
> Quote me where I have EVER said that I don't like Australia Moby?
Tell me where I said you did.
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> I have
> certainly criticised the Aussie umpires Emerson & DH, Aussie player
> behaviour, the behaviour of the morons who call "no ball" each time Murali
> bowls and criticised the Aussie media for being biased & xenophobic but I
> have NEVER EVER criticised Australia as a place to live. In fact, I have
> said it is the best country to live in many times. I happily choose to live
> here and bring my kids up here. I don't want to "*** off" anywhere & I
> don't like being told to by a Queensland bigot with one nation moronic,
> xenophobic thinking.
Which is why I was asking, if you didn't like all these things, whether or
not there was enough for you to actually like the place. That's a whole
heap of things not to like about a place and stay there.
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> > Moby
> > Who was it who said 'anyone who brings race into it is a***head'?? Was
> > that you SLarry?
> Yes it was*** Moby. I have never brought race into anything on this
> newsgroup.
Let me remind you. From this very post:
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> It is as bigoted as me saying to you, Australia belongs to the aborigines so
> *** off. Except for them, WE ARE ALL migrants in this country. Get over
> it.
I said: Anyone who doesn't like Australia should not live here. That's
ANYONE as in "not a specific group of people," "anyone at all."
Yet you insist that this is somehow racist.
In fact, this opinion arose from watching pretentious idiots (almost
entirely made up of anglo-saxons) constantly degrade Australian culture as
"non-existent" because it wasn't the same as the "culture" of Europe
created over thousands of years of mutual slaughter.
Australia belongs to all Australians, and call me silly, but I'd say the
most important part of being Australians is liking Australia. This
doesn't mean that you have to like everything about the place (I hate
whole states), but I would have thought that it meant you liked a majority
of things about the place.
Your entire demeanor on rsc and asc is one of attacking Australia, its
cricketers and its officials. You attack Australians who defend other
Australians, you attack Australian political decisions, you attack the
Australian media. It's not that you never have a nice word to say about
the place (even though you don't on rsc), it's that you seem to single
minded in your quest to pick on each and everything you can about
Australia.
And because of this, I ask you: if you don't like the place so much,
SLarry, why don't you *** off?
The ANSWER to that, because it's a QUESTION, SLarry is (apprently) "I
actually like a lot of things about the place." The answer is not "Moby
you're a racist," or "Moby you're a racist," or even "Moby you're a
racist," because aside from not being true, it fails to answer the question.
And how old -are- you SLarry that you are still pre-occupied with ***
jokes?
But anyway, the point -behind- the question was to make you take a step
back and realise that the people making the decisions you so hate and the
players doing the things you so hate, live in the same place (pretty much)
and deal with the same things (pretty much) that you do in normal life.
They faces the same fears and seek to meet the same needs. What I hoped
to do was remind you that you share many things with these people that you
deride. You seem to understand the people of Sri Lanka and why their
cricket team might do one thing or another.. why their administrators
might do one thing or another.
But you don't seem to share the same empathy with the Australian team or
the Australian players. You don't seem to realise that, deep down,
they're just the same as you. (in deference to past differences, I'll
opine that most of them are a little smarter.. I'll give you Shane Warne
and Michael Slater though.)
Perhaps I'm wishing, but I do believe that if you take time out to
remember that these people aren't monsters, you'll realise that they have
very real and very fair reasons for not touring Zimbabwe or Sri Lanka...
They aren't doing it because they hate Sri Lanka, or they don't care about
Sri Lanka, or because they hate Murali or are worried about losing.
They're doing it because they believe that it is the right thing to do.
I'll stop there for now, because I think having you accept that fear is a
personal thing that has nothing to do with logic is as far as I'm likely
to get. We'll get to people being forced to make decisions based on
limited evidence next year.
Moby