In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by R. Bharat Ra » Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:00:00


I have been a fairly strident critic of Tendulkar -- for instance, I
think
he has blown two *huge* opportunities that would have got the team on
the right track.  First when Australia were 50/4 on T1D1, and second
when it looked like India had all but beaten Pakistan in the ODI1.
Enough
has been said about the first case, but in the second, he failed to ask
how he could lose after Youhanna was out, and didn't take elementary
precautions like having a deep mid-on, mid-off, third man, to the fast
bowlers -- also, it was clear to all concerned that neither Waqar or
Saqlain could pull Srinath and even Prasad, and bowling short into
the body would have done the trick.  And having the one bat pad for
Kumble in the dying overs would have helped too.

Second, I am bitterly disappointed in his petty vindictiveness at
keeping
Azhar and Mongia out of the side. (As I said at the start of this tour,
the
season SRT doesn't want Azhar in the team, is because the selectors
could
replace him again with Azhar -- already that is being bandied about, and

just think, if Azhar had a decent tour, with this apalling captaincy, it
would
be all but certain.)

However, Sachin *MUST* be given credit where it is due.  This Indian
team, after folding like a pack of cards in the third Test, has picked
itself
up, and is fighting hard.  And that is truly encouraging, and for that
he
deserved credit.  Now, this must translate into results, as continuous
defeat will finish the side (0-8 is possible).  And despite the
complaints
about ODI 3 -- yes, he picked the wrong side, but Kapil must get as much

blame for that as Sachin -- he did the right thing by batting and trying
to
lead; one man can't do it on the field.

On another subject, why was everyone so hyped about Kapil as coach?
He was a very poor tactician as a captain, and was well known for
forming cliques within the team (remember Gavaskar vs. Kapil?).
Both these seem to be in full focus now... (As many of you know, I
am a huge fan of Kapil the cricketer -- the second greatest India has
produced, IMO -- but not of Kapil the captain.)

Fire Kapil as coach, right now.  Get Tendulkar a manager / coach like
a Wadekar, who is a shrewd tactician and a man manager; and maybe it
will change.

Despite all the buffetting Tendulkar has taken, there is really no
candidate
to replace him as captain (now that Azhar has not played).  We have to
stick with him, and give him the help and support he needs -- work on
accentuating the positive and mitigate the negative...

Bharat
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In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by guptarak.. » Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> I have been a fairly strident critic of Tendulkar -- for instance, I
> think
> he has blown two *huge* opportunities that would have got the team on
> the right track.  First when Australia were 50/4 on T1D1, and second
> when it looked like India had all but beaten Pakistan in the ODI1.
> Enough
> has been said about the first case, but in the second, he failed to
ask
> how he could lose after Youhanna was out, and didn't take elementary
> precautions like having a deep mid-on, mid-off, third man, to the fast
> bowlers -- also, it was clear to all concerned that neither Waqar or
> Saqlain could pull Srinath and even Prasad, and bowling short into
> the body would have done the trick.  And having the one bat pad for
> Kumble in the dying overs would have helped too.

> Second, I am bitterly disappointed in his petty vindictiveness at
> keeping
> Azhar and Mongia out of the side. (As I said at the start of this
tour,
> the
> season SRT doesn't want Azhar in the team, is because the selectors
> could
> replace him again with Azhar -- already that is being bandied about,
and

> just think, if Azhar had a decent tour, with this apalling captaincy,
it
> would
> be all but certain.)

> However, Sachin *MUST* be given credit where it is due.  This Indian
> team, after folding like a pack of cards in the third Test, has picked
> itself
> up, and is fighting hard.  And that is truly encouraging, and for that
> he
> deserved credit.  Now, this must translate into results, as continuous
> defeat will finish the side (0-8 is possible).  And despite the
> complaints
> about ODI 3 -- yes, he picked the wrong side, but Kapil must get as
much

> blame for that as Sachin -- he did the right thing by batting and
trying
> to
> lead; one man can't do it on the field.

> On another subject, why was everyone so hyped about Kapil as coach?
> He was a very poor tactician as a captain, and was well known for
> forming cliques within the team (remember Gavaskar vs. Kapil?).
> Both these seem to be in full focus now... (As many of you know, I
> am a huge fan of Kapil the cricketer -- the second greatest India has
> produced, IMO -- but not of Kapil the captain.)

> Fire Kapil as coach, right now.  Get Tendulkar a manager / coach like
> a Wadekar, who is a shrewd tactician and a man manager; and maybe it
> will change.

> Despite all the buffetting Tendulkar has taken, there is really no
> candidate
> to replace him as captain (now that Azhar has not played).  We have to
> stick with him, and give him the help and support he needs -- work on
> accentuating the positive and mitigate the negative...

stick with sachin and keep losing for next six yeras!  no matter who is
is the manager he is going to behave the way he has so far on the field.
even if your coach tells you to do one thing but on the field you do
something different how is it going to make a difference if someone else
is the coach?  sachin is too stubborn to listen to anyone!  he never
learns from his mistakes! he is too tensed about everything when he is
captain! it is better to replace him with ganguly and let sachin focus
on his batting.  less stress will also be good for his back!

rakesh

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In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by Ravi Aro » Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
> On another subject, why was everyone so hyped about Kapil as coach?
...
> Both these seem to be in full focus now... (As many of you know, I
> am a huge fan of Kapil the cricketer -- the second greatest India has
> produced, IMO -- but not of Kapil the captain.)

You are being a trifle unfair Bharat. There are at least two others who are
Kapil's equals if not greater. SMG and Vinoo Mankad. VM was before my time,
so at least SMG?

The greatest Indian cricketer would agree that his brother in law outranks
Kaps.

ravi (briefly resurfacing) aron.

 
 
 

In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by Shiv » Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Despite all the buffetting Tendulkar has taken, there is really no
> candidate
> to replace him as captain (now that Azhar has not played).

Agree with you fully. There really is no candidate.
Kumble [ doesn't perform abroad. So if he captains an overseas tour, then
his own pressures may be too much ]
Ganguly [ if he batted outstanding in the Test Series, I would have
supported him, but ..
    Anyway, I don't think he is going to be an outstanding captain. At best,
he will be like Azhar, which is better than SRT]
Dravid [ ha ha ha ]
Azhar [ short term solution, would be OK if some other guy was identified as
a potential captain in 2 years time ]

Maybe we should go the NZ way. Get a captain who hasn't  played tests yet,
but is a shrewd captain.

Quote:
> We have to stick with him, and give him the help and support he needs --
> work on
> accentuating the positive and mitigate the negative...

--
cheers
Shiva

http://www.slack.net/~shiva/

 
 
 

In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by Shiv » Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:


> > On another subject, why was everyone so hyped about Kapil as coach?
> ...
> > Both these seem to be in full focus now... (As many of you know, I
> > am a huge fan of Kapil the cricketer -- the second greatest India has
> > produced, IMO -- but not of Kapil the captain.)

> You are being a trifle unfair Bharat. There are at least two others who are
> Kapil's equals if not greater. SMG and Vinoo Mankad. VM was before my time,
> so at least SMG?

> The greatest Indian cricketer would agree that his brother in law outranks
> Kaps.

as a more stylish player maybe, but little else.
Not that I think Kapil was a legend anyway, but he ranks out there with SMG
because
of that lack of any other outstanding career from other Indian pace bowlers.
--
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In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by R. Bharat Ra » Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:


> > On another subject, why was everyone so hyped about Kapil as coach?
> ...
> > Both these seem to be in full focus now... (As many of you know, I
> > am a huge fan of Kapil the cricketer -- the second greatest India has
> > produced, IMO -- but not of Kapil the captain.)

> You are being a trifle unfair Bharat. There are at least two others who are
> Kapil's equals if not greater. SMG and Vinoo Mankad. VM was before my time,
> so at least SMG?

Right, SMG and Kapil.  Vinoo is #3 on my list of all-time Indian cricketers.

I haven't considered Tendulkar, because I'm not quite sure where to rank
him, until that his career is over.  He clearly has already achieved enough
to rank in India's top-5, but I think its far better to judge a sportsman's
career
with the benefit of hindsight.

For instance, in the late 70's and early 80's, at least 50% of the fans would
have placed Vishwanath over Gavaskar, and some would have even called
him India's greatest bat ever.  Now with the benefit of hindsight, SMG clearly
outranks Gavaskar, and while Vishy would make most top-10 Indian BATs list,
he would struggle to make India's all-time XI (either the last bat in, or the
first or second reserve bat left out).

Quote:
> The greatest Indian cricketer would agree that his brother in law outranks
> Kaps.

Hardly an unbiased opinion, though.

Quote:
> ravi (briefly resurfacing) aron.

Bharat (Gavaskar, Merchant, Mankad, Tendulkar, Viswanath, Azharuddin,
Kirmani (maybe Engineer -- not sure)
Kapil Dev, Srinath, Prasanna, Chandra --
Bedi, India's greatest spinner, on the sidelines, as Vinoo is in the team
Reserve bats: Amarnath and Dravid)
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In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by guptarak.. » Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:00:00



Quote:

> > Despite all the buffetting Tendulkar has taken, there is really no
> > candidate
> > to replace him as captain (now that Azhar has not played).

> Agree with you fully. There really is no candidate.
> Kumble [ doesn't perform abroad. So if he captains an overseas tour,
then
> his own pressures may be too much ]
> Ganguly [ if he batted outstanding in the Test Series, I would have
> supported him, but ..
>     Anyway, I don't think he is going to be an outstanding captain. At
best,
> he will be like Azhar, which is better than SRT]
> Dravid [ ha ha ha ]
> Azhar [ short term solution, would be OK if some other guy was
identified as
> a potential captain in 2 years time ]

> Maybe we should go the NZ way. Get a captain who hasn't  played tests
yet,
> but is a shrewd captain.

in that case, JADEJA...........will certainly do better than SRT!

you rather have a captain who scores 100 to 200 every time he (sachin)
goes out to bat but still ends up on the losing side or have a captain
who scores zero (jadeja) but will/might (or better chance) win the match
for you??????????????????

rakesh

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In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by paap.. » Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Are you sachiins mom in disguise


Quote:



> > I have been a fairly strident critic of Tendulkar -- for instance, I
> > think
> > he has blown two *huge* opportunities that would have got the team
on
> > the right track.  First when Australia were 50/4 on T1D1, and second
> > when it looked like India had all but beaten Pakistan in the ODI1.
> > Enough
> > has been said about the first case, but in the second, he failed to
> ask
> > how he could lose after Youhanna was out, and didn't take elementary
> > precautions like having a deep mid-on, mid-off, third man, to the
fast
> > bowlers -- also, it was clear to all concerned that neither Waqar or
> > Saqlain could pull Srinath and even Prasad, and bowling short into
> > the body would have done the trick.  And having the one bat pad for
> > Kumble in the dying overs would have helped too.

> > Second, I am bitterly disappointed in his petty vindictiveness at
> > keeping
> > Azhar and Mongia out of the side. (As I said at the start of this
> tour,
> > the
> > season SRT doesn't want Azhar in the team, is because the selectors
> > could
> > replace him again with Azhar -- already that is being bandied about,
> and

> > just think, if Azhar had a decent tour, with this apalling
captaincy,
> it
> > would
> > be all but certain.)

> > However, Sachin *MUST* be given credit where it is due.  This Indian
> > team, after folding like a pack of cards in the third Test, has
picked
> > itself
> > up, and is fighting hard.  And that is truly encouraging, and for
that
> > he
> > deserved credit.  Now, this must translate into results, as
continuous
> > defeat will finish the side (0-8 is possible).  And despite the
> > complaints
> > about ODI 3 -- yes, he picked the wrong side, but Kapil must get as
> much

> > blame for that as Sachin -- he did the right thing by batting and
> trying
> > to
> > lead; one man can't do it on the field.

> > On another subject, why was everyone so hyped about Kapil as coach?
> > He was a very poor tactician as a captain, and was well known for
> > forming cliques within the team (remember Gavaskar vs. Kapil?).
> > Both these seem to be in full focus now... (As many of you know, I
> > am a huge fan of Kapil the cricketer -- the second greatest India
has
> > produced, IMO -- but not of Kapil the captain.)

> > Fire Kapil as coach, right now.  Get Tendulkar a manager / coach
like
> > a Wadekar, who is a shrewd tactician and a man manager; and maybe it
> > will change.

> > Despite all the buffetting Tendulkar has taken, there is really no
> > candidate
> > to replace him as captain (now that Azhar has not played).  We have
to
> > stick with him, and give him the help and support he needs -- work
on
> > accentuating the positive and mitigate the negative...

> stick with sachin and keep losing for next six yeras!  no matter who
is
> is the manager he is going to behave the way he has so far on the
field.
> even if your coach tells you to do one thing but on the field you do
> something different how is it going to make a difference if someone
else
> is the coach?  sachin is too stubborn to listen to anyone!  he never
> learns from his mistakes! he is too tensed about everything when he is
> captain! it is better to replace him with ganguly and let sachin focus
> on his batting.  less stress will also be good for his back!

> rakesh

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In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by paap.. » Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:00:00



Quote:

> > Despite all the buffetting Tendulkar has taken, there is really no
> > candidate
> > to replace him as captain (now that Azhar has not played).

> Agree with you fully. There really is no candidate.
> Kumble [ doesn't perform abroad. So if he captains an overseas tour,
then
> his own pressures may be too much ]
> Ganguly [ if he batted outstanding in the Test Series, I would have
> supported him, but ..
>     Anyway, I don't think he is going to be an outstanding captain.
At best,
> he will be like Azhar, which is better than SRT]
> Dravid [ ha ha ha ]
> Azhar [ short term solution, would be OK if some other guy was
identified as
> a potential captain in 2 years time ]

> Maybe we should go the NZ way. Get a captain who hasn't  played tests
yet,
> but is a shrewd captain.

CHANDRABABU NAIDU

Quote:

> > We have to stick with him, and give him the help and support he
needs --
> > work on
> > accentuating the positive and mitigate the negative...

> --
> cheers
> Shiva

> http://www.slack.net/~shiva/

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In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by Shiv » Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:




> > > Despite all the buffetting Tendulkar has taken, there is really no
> > > candidate
> > > to replace him as captain (now that Azhar has not played).

> > Agree with you fully. There really is no candidate.
> > Kumble [ doesn't perform abroad. So if he captains an overseas tour,
> then
> > his own pressures may be too much ]
> > Ganguly [ if he batted outstanding in the Test Series, I would have
> > supported him, but ..
> >     Anyway, I don't think he is going to be an outstanding captain. At
> best,
> > he will be like Azhar, which is better than SRT]
> > Dravid [ ha ha ha ]
> > Azhar [ short term solution, would be OK if some other guy was
> identified as
> > a potential captain in 2 years time ]

> > Maybe we should go the NZ way. Get a captain who hasn't  played tests
> yet,
> > but is a shrewd captain.

> in that case, JADEJA...........will certainly do better than SRT!

> you rather have a captain who scores 100 to 200 every time he (sachin)
> goes out to bat but still ends up on the losing side or have a captain
> who scores zero (jadeja) but will/might (or better chance) win the match
> for you??????????????????

Yup. I think Jadeja may be answer. The selectors should inform him that his
place as
captain & player is secure irrespective of his batting performance.
Anyway, Jadeja can't do much worse than Gandhi, Laxman (xcept that 100),
Dravid, Ramesh, Kanitkar,
etc in batting.

--
cheers
Shiva

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In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by Shiv » Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> > Maybe we should go the NZ way. Get a captain who hasn't  played tests
> yet,
> > but is a shrewd captain.

> CHANDRABABU NAIDU

LOL !!.
Heard that he is a tyrant with people working under him.
And he is very very shrewd & at the same time works hard.
Anyway, I didn't say we should get someone from outside the cricket arena.

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In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by paap.. » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00



Quote:

> > > Maybe we should go the NZ way. Get a captain who hasn't  played
tests
> > yet,
> > > but is a shrewd captain.

> > CHANDRABABU NAIDU

> LOL !!.
> Heard that he is a tyrant with people working under him.
> And he is very very shrewd & at the same time works hard.
> Anyway, I didn't say we should get someone from outside the cricket
arena.

> --

I am sure the only laptop he knew 10 years back were the fat Telugu
film actressses. So I think he would do fine in cricket too.. lol

Quote:
> cheers
> Shiva

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In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by Bill O'Bria » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> Anyway, Jadeja can't do much worse than Gandhi, Laxman (xcept that
> 100),
> Dravid, Ramesh, Kanitkar,
> etc in batting.

What a ***y ***?
Really ? Jadeja shat in NZ last year. He has always shat in Tests.
Next time India tours RSA or Aus the same batting will fail. Jaddu
would also fail. India will lose. If Azhar can be sacked for not
leading from front what about Jaddu ? What is this bullshit about he
has to kept in Tests even if he doesn't perform ? That way why not
some MBA from IIM for better management skills ? Ramesh atleast
performed in a Test series in which all the rest including your GOD
were clueless. And Pakistan
attack is no pushover. Do you believe Jaddu would have done so well
against Pak ? Laxman has been bad in Tests. It is not his fault
that he was made to open. He did decently as a middle order bat.
But since India didn't have openers he was made to open. First Jadeja
failed as opener then he needs to be tried as middle order. Later he
needs to be in even if he fails as middle order bat for so called
captaincy skills.

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In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by Shiv » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:



> > Anyway, Jadeja can't do much worse than Gandhi, Laxman (xcept that
> > 100),
> > Dravid, Ramesh, Kanitkar,
> > etc in batting.

> What a ***y ***?

Which of the following  are calling crap.
Jadeja can't do better than what Gandhi did in Oz [ Ha Ha ]
Jadeja can't do better than what laxman (xcept for the 100) did in Oz [ Ha Ha ]
Jadeja can't do better than what Dravid did in Oz [ Ha Ha ]
Jadeja can't do better than what Ramesh did in Oz [ Ha Ha ]
Jadeja can't do better than what Kanitkar did in Oz [ Ha Ha ]

I am not saying Jadeja is a great test bat. But he has 4 50's in tests.
One against WI in WI ( he made 96)
One against SA in SA ( + a near 50).
He's hardly played 14 tests.

Is this much worse performance than what the above did in the Oz matches ?

Quote:
> Really ? Jadeja shat in NZ last year. He has always shat in Tests.
> Next time India tours RSA or Aus the same batting will fail. Jaddu
> would also fail. India will lose. If Azhar can be sacked for not
> leading from front what about Jaddu ? What is this bullshit about he
> has to kept in Tests even if he doesn't perform ? That way why not
> some MBA from IIM for better management skills ? Ramesh atleast
> performed in a Test series in which all the rest including your GOD
> were clueless. And Pakistan
> attack is no pushover. Do you believe Jaddu would have done so well
> against Pak ? Laxman has been bad in Tests. It is not his fault
> that he was made to open.
> He did decently as a middle order bat.
> But since India didn't have openers he was made to open. First Jadeja
> failed as opener then he needs to be tried as middle order. Later he
> needs to be in even if he fails as middle order bat for so called
> captaincy skills.

Do you have any options for Indian captaincy.
I am discounting Azhar because it's a short term solution.
Dravid, Kumble & Ganguly are out coz they aren't consistent performers
overseas.

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In Defense of Tendulkar's captaincy

Post by Bill O'Bria » Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:00:00



Quote:



> Which of the following  are calling crap.
> Jadeja can't do better than what Gandhi did in Oz [ Ha Ha ]

Yup Jadeja can't do what as good as Gandhi against NZ even at home. HE
HE HE.

Quote:
> Jadeja can't do better than what laxman (xcept for the 100) did in

Jadeja can't make even one 100 even at home against the crappiest of
the attacks. Laxman's batting in Aus is no worse than SRT's in RSA '97.
One 160ish knock shat roytally otherowise. So can we ask for Jaddu for
SRT ?
HE HE HE.

Jadeja or even SRT can't do as well as Ramesh did against Pak.HE HE HE.

Truth is Jadeja suck everywhere. So what is the point ?
Last year Jadeja played in NZ and shat. Many others did well.
Take a hint.

Rest of the ***y rotten ***deleted.

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