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by **Aslam Siddiq** » Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:00:00

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>I've recently been looking at scorecards from the Rebel era and found to my
>amazement that very often the South African teams comprised many players
>from Transvaal. For example: Jimmy Cook, Graeme Pollock, Clive Rice, Kevin
>McKenzie, Ray Jennings, Alan Kourie and Vince van der Bijl have represented
>South Africa against rebel tourists in the early eighties - often all seven
>of them played. The rest of the team was made up by the Western Province
>trio Peter Kirsten, Garth le Roux and Stephen Jefferies. Surely this is
>quite incredible. Where a team consists of 10 players drawn from 2 provinces
>with Barry Richards of Natal making up the eleven. How often has so many
>players from one first class team represented the national side in test
>cricket?

Off hand, eight Transvaal players were in the South African side in the first
Test against England at Johannesburg in the 1905-06 series. It is possible
that powerhouses like New South Wales and Bombay, at one time or another, may
have contributed even more players to the national side.

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>Eitan [Just interested]
>and just to end of with another question (apologies) who was the first West
>Indian born player to represent England in an international match?

I don't know about the limited-overs game but in the Tests I'll submit three
names; you take your pick:

Lord Harris (St Anne's, Trinidad) v Aus, Melbourne, 1878-79
PF Warner (Port-of-Spain, Trinidad) v RSA, Johannesburg, 1898-99
RO Butcher (St Philip, Barbados) v WI, Bridgetown, 1980-81

aslam

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>Eitan Prince

by **Neeran M. Karn** » Sun, 22 Sep 1996 04:00:00

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> Off hand, eight Transvaal players were in the South African side in the first
>Test against England at Johannesburg in the 1905-06 series. It is possible
>that powerhouses like New South Wales and Bombay, at one time or another, may
>have contributed even more players to the national side.

FWIW: I'm fairly certain that Bombay has never contributed more than
six players to a Test team of 11. In fact, I'm having a hard time
coming up with a team with six Bombayites in it. Anyone?

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>>and just to end of with another question (apologies) who was the first West
>>Indian born player to represent England in an international match?
> I don't know about the limited-overs game but in the Tests I'll submit three
>names; you take your pick:
>Lord Harris (St Anne's, Trinidad) v Aus, Melbourne, 1878-79

This might be the same Lord Harris who later became the Governor of
Bombay and did much to further the cause of cricket there. The only
recognition of his efforts is a "Harris trophy" u-17 tournament
played between Bombay schools teams.

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>aslam

by **Uday Raja** » Sun, 22 Sep 1996 04:00:00

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> FWIW: I'm fairly certain that Bombay has never contributed more than
> six players to a Test team of 11. In fact, I'm having a hard time
> coming up with a team with six Bombayites in it. Anyone?

Here are a couple of occasions on which 6 Bombay players were in the
11:
(1) 1972-73, 1st Test v England at Delhi: Gavaskar, R. Parkar, Wadekar,
Sardesai, Engineer, Solkar.
(2) 1974, 3rd Test v England at Birmingham. Gavaskar, Naik, Wadekar,
Mankad, Engineer, Solkar.
In both cases, these 6 occupied 6 of the top 7 batting spaces,
the other one being held by Viswanath.
I can't think of any Indian team with more than 6 Bombay players in
it either.

by **Neeran M. Karn** » Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:00:00

[Sorry about the followup to my own post, but...]

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>>that powerhouses like New South Wales and Bombay, at one time or another, may
>>have contributed even more players to the national side.
> FWIW: I'm fairly certain that Bombay has never contributed more than
> six players to a Test team of 11. In fact, I'm having a hard time
> coming up with a team with six Bombayites in it. Anyone?

I got email from Anant reminding me (none-too-gently, as is his
wont) :-) of a famous Indian team which had six Bombayites --
Wadekar's team that won the 1971 series in England. Six of the top
seven in the batting order were from Bombay: Gavaskar, Ashok Mankad,
Wadekar, Sardesai, Engineer and Solkar. Vishy was the odd batsman
out. In a later series (Eng in Ind, 1972-73) another Indian team had
six Bombayites: Gavaskar, Ramnath Parkar, Wadekar, Sardesai,
Engineer and Solkar. Still no sign of a 7-Bombayite team though...

by **John Hal** » Thu, 26 Sep 1996 04:00:00

I'm not sure what the English record is for players from one county, but
Yorkshire had 5 players in the Oval Test of 1938 against Australia (the
match in which Hutton made 364 and England 903-7d). They were:
Hutton
Leyland
Arthur Wood (wk)
Verity
Bowes
--
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From "1066 and All That"
by W.C.Sellar (1898-1951) and R.J.Yeatman (1897-1968)

by **Michael Jennin** » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00

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>>I've recently been looking at scorecards from the Rebel era and found to my
>>amazement that very often the South African teams comprised many players
>>from Transvaal. For example: Jimmy Cook, Graeme Pollock, Clive Rice, Kevin
>>McKenzie, Ray Jennings, Alan Kourie and Vince van der Bijl have represented
>>South Africa against rebel tourists in the early eighties - often all seven
>>of them played. The rest of the team was made up by the Western Province
>>trio Peter Kirsten, Garth le Roux and Stephen Jefferies. Surely this is
>>quite incredible. Where a team consists of 10 players drawn from 2 provinces
>>with Barry Richards of Natal making up the eleven. How often has so many
>>players from one first class team represented the national side in test
>>cricket?

> Off hand, eight Transvaal players were in the South African side in the first
>Test against England at Johannesburg in the 1905-06 series. It is possible
>that powerhouses like New South Wales and Bombay, at one time or another, may
>have contributed even more players to the national side.

I can't think of a case with eight, but Australia have recently
had as many as seven players from NSW. The third test between Australia
and Pakistan in 1994-5 contained Taylor, Slater, Mark Waugh, Steve Waugh,
Bevan, Emery and McGrath. I think Western Australia managed seven players
in the Australian side in the early eighties at one point, too.

Michael.
--
Michael Jennings
Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics
The University of Cambridge.

"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial
appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in
defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts
than reason" -- Tom Paine.

by **Joshua Saunder** » Sun, 29 Sep 1996 04:00:00

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>> Off hand, eight Transvaal players were in the South African side in the first
>>Test against England at Johannesburg in the 1905-06 series. It is possible
>>that powerhouses like New South Wales and Bombay, at one time or another, may
>>have contributed even more players to the national side.

> I can't think of a case with eight, but Australia have recently
>had as many as seven players from NSW. The third test between Australia
>and Pakistan in 1994-5 contained Taylor, Slater, Mark Waugh, Steve Waugh,
>Bevan, Emery and McGrath.

Sorry MJ, but Steve Waugh went home with his stuffed shoulder, and Langer
played HIS most recent test. The most NSW'ers were in the ODI team last
summer, when for a time, Taylor, Slater, both Waughs, Bevan, Lee and
McGrath were in the team. That's 7. Then Slater was dropped....

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> I think Western Australia managed seven players
>in the Australian side in the early eighties at one point, too.

Let's see. Laird, Hughes, Marsh, Lillee, Yardley, Alderman, all
played together maybe against Pakistan in 81/2 in Aus. Was there a 7th
man, and if so, who was he?

Josh

by **Martin Sneesb** » Wed, 02 Oct 1996 04:00:00

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> > I think Western Australia managed seven players
> >in the Australian side in the early eighties at one point, too.

> Let's see. Laird, Hughes, Marsh, Lillee, Yardley, Alderman, all
> played together maybe against Pakistan in 81/2 in Aus. Was there a 7th
> man, and if so, who was he?

Graeme Wood?

Martin

by **Michael Jennin** » Fri, 04 Oct 1996 04:00:00

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>>> Off hand, eight Transvaal players were in the South African side in the first
>>>Test against England at Johannesburg in the 1905-06 series. It is possible
>>>that powerhouses like New South Wales and Bombay, at one time or another, may
>>>have contributed even more players to the national side.

>> I can't think of a case with eight, but Australia have recently
>>had as many as seven players from NSW. The third test between Australia
>>and Pakistan in 1994-5 contained Taylor, Slater, Mark Waugh, Steve Waugh,
>>Bevan, Emery and McGrath.

>Sorry MJ, but Steve Waugh went home with his stuffed shoulder, and Langer
>played HIS most recent test. The most NSW'ers were in the ODI team last
>summer, when for a time, Taylor, Slater, both Waughs, Bevan, Lee and
>McGrath were in the team. That's 7. Then Slater was dropped....

I've just checked it and you are absolutely right. That's a shame,
as I have told this 'fact' to quite a number of people. Damn.

Michael.
--
Michael Jennings
Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics
The University of Cambridge.

"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial
appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in
defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts
than reason" -- Tom Paine.

by **Benjamin Morg** » Sun, 06 Oct 1996 04:00:00

Instances of when a test team is comstucted almost entirely of one
province or county?
Well how about all the Essex men in when Goochie was captain, or
Middlesex's entire squad being included when Fat Gatt was captain. These
days I think we're headed for a large Yorkshire contingent under
Illingworth. So speaks a bitter Glamorgan fan.

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