Ted Dexter

Ted Dexter

Post by Stephen Hob » Sat, 26 Jun 1993 16:39:07


Why is this man still the head of english cricket?  After seven straight
test losses Dexter's explanation is 'that Venus must be in the wrong juxta-
position'.
The man might have been a good cricketer but as chairman of selectors he has to
go.
It makes sense to play Gower.  His test records speaks enough.  Everyone
knows it cant have been his performances that have him left out of the English
side.  He was dropped after the 90/91 tour of Australia in which he scored
2 test centuries and had the second highest average.

Australia will miss Craig Mcdermott, I hope we send over another seamer.  Is
Mike Whitney fit yet?  How about Bruce Reid, with half the tour over there
would be less chance of him breaking down.  Carl Rackemann is another option.

How about elevating Fred Trueman to a spot of prominence in English cricket.

 
 
 

Ted Dexter

Post by Phil She » Sat, 26 Jun 1993 18:20:53

Quote:

>Why is this man still the head of english cricket?  After seven straight
>test losses Dexter's explanation is 'that Venus must be in the wrong juxta-
>position'.
>The man might have been a good cricketer but as chairman of selectors he has to
>go.

 Didn't you hear the BBC coverage they were talking about how important
this sort of thing was. So you've got to take it seriously. In fact
if I remember rightly the BBC listener predicted a 'physical critical'
day and of course we know how well he went.

Quote:
>It makes sense to play Gower.  His test records speaks enough.  Everyone
>knows it cant have been his performances that have him left out of the English
>side.  He was dropped after the 90/91 tour of Australia in which he scored
>2 test centuries and had the second highest average.

 I think if we had a vote on rsc it would be 11111111111:0 for Gower
and David Shepard would have both legs in the air

Quote:

>Australia will miss Craig Mcdermott, I hope we send over another seamer.  Is

 Not on your life. We have three perfectly good (OK two) bowlers in
Julian and Holdsworth to replace McD. Why send for another. It would
be like England dropping defraitas and his replacement playing instead
of Illot.

Quote:
>Mike Whitney fit yet?  How about Bruce Reid, with half the tour over there

 Neither are paticularly good tourist. I would rater see MiKe Kasprowicz
or Carl Rackemann. Who both has signifacantly better season than
both Whitney or Reid. Reid also has problems with travelling which
was why I suggested they should have shipped him to England
on the QEII in February
Quote:
>would be less chance of him breaking down.  Carl Rackemann is another option.

>How about elevating Fred Trueman to a spot of prominence in English cricket.


 
 
 

Ted Dexter

Post by David Wheel » Sat, 26 Jun 1993 13:07:07

Quote:

>Why is this man still the head of english cricket?  After seven straight
>test losses Dexter's explanation is 'that Venus must be in the wrong juxta-
>position'.
>The man might have been a good cricketer but as chairman of selectors he has to
>go.

He was certainly a good player, all right, but as chairman of selectors
he is an unmitigated disaster.  If he didn't have his tongue firmly in
his cheek when he made that remark about Venus, it's time they locked him
up, threw away the key and forgot about him.

                   <Some stuff deleted>

Quote:
>How about elevating Fred Trueman to a spot of prominence in English cricket.

Trueman was also a fine player in his own right, but is probably a little
too irascible and abrasive to make a good administrative leader.  IMO,
the man who really ought to be doing Dexter's job is Mike Brearley.  And
how about Ian Botham for team manager after he retires from playing at
the end of this season?  Or Bob Willis, maybe?

-----------------------------------------------------------
David A. Wheeler, Motorola Ltd., Camberley, Surrey, England


 
 
 

Ted Dexter

Post by Balakrishnan Gopalakrishn » Sat, 26 Jun 1993 23:30:02

|>
|>  Not on your life. We have three perfectly good (OK two) bowlers in
|> Julian and Holdsworth to replace McD. Why send for another. It would
|> be like England dropping defraitas and his replacement playing instead
|> of Illot.
|>

Well, they may be competent, and if the right grooming is given, might bloom
into good strike bowlers a couple of years from now, as McDermott did under
Lawson and Alderman. But, Right now, I dont think either of them are capable
of making any drastic breakthroughs against the English batsmen. Just
yesterday, they allowed Combined Universities to get around 300 for 7 against
them. That is why Australia should seriosly think of flying in a more
experienced bowler. They might still win the series without that, but a lot of
the coming tests are going to be tame draws with big totals.

-Balky

 
 
 

Ted Dexter

Post by g9192.. » Sun, 27 Jun 1993 09:01:29

David Wheeler writes
?>Trueman was also a fine player in his own right, but is probably a little
?>too irascible and abrasive to make a good administrative leader.  IMO,
?>the man who really ought to be doing Dexter's job is Mike Brearley.  And
?>how about Ian Botham for team manager after he retires from playing at
?>the end of this season?  Or Bob Willis, maybe?

A good choice - of Brearley holding Dexter's job.  I think Willis would be a  
better manager than Botham (based on their captaincies).  Or else, they could  
forcibly retire Gatting & then give him the job :-)

Another idea could be to have Mickey Stewart as the Chairman of selectors, &  
have Brearley as the team manager.
?>-----------------------------------------------------------
?>David A. Wheeler, Motorola Ltd., Camberley, Surrey, England

--
Jiminy Cricket

 
 
 

Ted Dexter

Post by S Govindaraj » Sun, 27 Jun 1993 11:40:20

Quote:

>David Wheeler writes
>?>the man who really ought to be doing Dexter's job is Mike Brearley.  And
>?>how about Ian Botham for team manager after he retires from playing at
>?>the end of this season?  Or Bob Willis, maybe?
>A good choice - of Brearley holding Dexter's job.  I think Willis would be a  
>better manager than Botham (based on their captaincies).  Or else, they could
>forcibly retire Gatting & then give him the job :-)
>Another idea could be to have Mickey Stewart as the Chairman of selectors, &  
>have Brearley as the team manager.
>?>-----------------------------------------------------------
>?>David A. Wheeler, Motorola Ltd., Camberley, Surrey, England

>--
>Jiminy Cricket

I think a better idea would be for Brearley to become the manager and somebody
else like Boycott become the selector. A manager should constantly be communi-
-cating with the team, pep them up and give good strategies. I think Brearley
would be the ideal man for it. Boycott, I feel, has an excellent analytical
mind, which would pick up the best possible talent available. Just my $0.02
contribution.

Govind.

 
 
 

Ted Dexter

Post by Ian Ge » Sun, 27 Jun 1993 22:32:44


Quote:
(Balakrishnan Gopalakrishnan) writes:

#

writes:
#
# |>
# |>  Not on your life. We have three perfectly good (OK two) bowlers in
# |> Julian and Holdsworth to replace McD. Why send for another. It would
# |> be like England dropping defraitas and his replacement playing instead
# |> of Illot.
# |>
#
# Just
# yesterday, they allowed Combined Universities to get around 300 for 7
against
# them. That is why Australia should seriosly think of flying in a more
# experienced bowler. They might still win the series without that, but a lot
of
# the coming tests are going to be tame draws with big totals.
#
# -Balky

Perhaps you could explain why the attack

Hughes/Julian/Warne/May/Waugh/Waugh/Border

is likely to do worse than

Hughes/Warne/May/Waugh/Waugh/Border

which was good enough to win the Lord's test by an innings?

And remember that in one 1-day and one Test match Julian has got 7 wickets,
mainly at crucial times.

--
Ian Gent

 
 
 

Ted Dexter

Post by Balakrishnan Gopalakrishn » Mon, 28 Jun 1993 03:10:18

|>
|> Perhaps you could explain why the attack
|>
|> Hughes/Julian/Warne/May/Waugh/Waugh/Border
|>
|> is likely to do worse than
|>
|> Hughes/Warne/May/Waugh/Waugh/Border
|>
|> which was good enough to win the Lord's test by an innings?
|>
|> And remember that in one 1-day and one Test match Julian has got 7 wickets,
|> mainly at crucial times.
|>
|> --
|> Ian Gent

We all know that the attack was essentially Hughes/Warne/May at Lords.
Hughes/Julian/Warne/May will certainly do better than them if Warne
still continues to get wickets at crucial points. But a leg-spinners' success
is usually in the initial test matches when the batsmen cant read his
deliveries. But as the series proceeds, his strike rate is bound to go down.
In 85 against India, England lost the first test miserably thanks to a young
leg-spinner called L.Sivaramakrishnan. In fact siva took 6 wickets each in the
first three England Inningses of the test series as well as destroyed them in
their practice Match with India XI (Under- 22) But as the series proceeded,
the English batsmen started reading his line and the tide turned because India
had nothing else to offer. Okay one can argue whether Hughes is better than
Kapil or if May is better than Maninder or Shastri, but I think the similarity
in the two situations is clear. And remember, even then no one gave England a
chance(They were coming fresh from one of the black-washes). Some of the
batsmen who made a difference, Gatting and Gooch are still around and
beginning to look good again. The England top order did quite okay in the
second innings and if history is any indication, they will continue to get
better. Australia will need experienced fast bowlers to make the
break-throughs in the coming test matches. Julian is good. But you cant ask
rookie medium pacers to win test-matches for you against England, for if the
English batsmen can play any bowling, it is medium pace as they have an over
dose of it in the county circuit. Julian got wickets when everyone else picked
wickets. But the test will come when the rest aren't getting wickets and the
skipper gives the ball to him and demands a wicket. That is what top order
bowlers are all about. I am not saying that I am convinced that Julian wont
turn out to be one of that kind. What I AM saying is that he still hasn't
proved himself and the question is whether Australia can afford the risk of
letting England off the hook at Trent Bridge.

-Balky

 
 
 

Ted Dexter

Post by Anand Chakravar » Mon, 28 Jun 1993 10:50:45


Quote:

>still continues to get wickets at crucial points. But a leg-spinners' success
>is usually in the initial test matches when the batsmen cant read his
>deliveries. But as the series proceeds, his strike rate is bound to go down.
>In 85 against India, England lost the first test miserably thanks to a young
>leg-spinner called L.Sivaramakrishnan. In fact siva took 6 wickets each in the
>first three England Inningses of the test series as well as destroyed them in
>their practice Match with India XI (Under- 22) But as the series proceeded,
>the English batsmen started reading his line and the tide turned because India

                And after a short break from Siva's bowling, England suffered a
relapse, with their premier batsman (the one with the blond curly hair
and a left-handed stance) was out to Siva on a full toss in the
mini-World Cup following the above series ? A plausible theory... NOT!

Quote:
>had nothing else to offer. Okay one can argue whether Hughes is better than
>Kapil or if May is better than Maninder or Shastri, but I think the similarity

^^^^^^ Maybe Kapil is WORSE than Hughes, because Kapil was dropped after
India lost the Delhi test in the series you talk about. Or was Gavaskar
just trying to go better than our late colonial masters in terms of
shabby politics?  (Insert as many smilies as you need to cool down :
touchy topic, both the dropping and the colonialism)

Quote:
>in the two situations is clear. And remember, even then no one gave England a

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Very clear, with the aid of a foggy memory.

Quote:
>chance(They were coming fresh from one of the black-washes). Some of the
>batsmen who made a difference, Gatting and Gooch are still around and

                                           ^^^^^^^
                Well, well, well, well! Graham Gooch toured SA after his
1981 tour to India. He was not on the 1984-85 England tour to India, for
all sorts of reasons (well, mostly political, which is why maybe he
is now getting his own back by keeping a gem of a deserving character
out in the chill cold of the English summer).
                England's openers in 84-85 were Tim Robinson (Essex?) and Graeme
Fowler (who became a great batsman after scoring 200 in Madras; anybody
know where HE is now ? Dexter might want to bring him back), a right-left
combination (Fowler was left-handed (Another point in his favour for the
current series : anybody but Gower) and had quite an annoying habit of
playing this loose cut between the slips).

Quote:
>beginning to look good again. The England top order did quite okay in the
>second innings and if history is any indication, they will continue to get
>better. Australia will need experienced fast bowlers to make the

^^^^^^^ History like the `blackwashes' and that '81 series where all
matches were drawn after India won the first test in Bombay.
                England don't have a hope this time. Even Gower might not help

                How about luring Hughes and Warne to the Brighton beach and
having a bobby passing by notice some reefers lying around ? :-) Or has
somebody else already thought of that one ? :-) Lobsters then ? Prawns ?
Shrimps ? A new shaving cream ? Jai Maharaj (for those from SCI) ?
Again, ANYTHING, but their highest test runs scorer ; whatsisnamenow ?

Quote:
>letting England off the hook at Trent Bridge.

>-Balky

Peace,

ANAND

 
 
 

Ted Dexter

Post by Sanjay Na » Mon, 28 Jun 1993 15:45:15

Quote:

>            England's openers in 84-85 were Tim Robinson (Essex?) and Graeme
>Fowler (who became a great batsman after scoring 200 in Madras; anybody
>know where HE is now ? Dexter might want to bring him back), a right-left
>combination (Fowler was left-handed (Another point in his favour for the
>current series : anybody but Gower) and had quite an annoying habit of
>playing this loose cut between the slips).

Fowler became a great batsman after that 200 ? ;^) I think he's with
Durham now. Fowler was with Lancs until last year and he's been replaced
by the son of a former Lancs left-handed opener, Graham Lloyd (son of
David Lloyd).

Infact Graham Lloyd is a pretty decent batsman (although I've never seen
him play myself) and he would be a better bet than Graeme Fowler who is
well past his best now. BTW, David Lloyd's only score over 50 in a test
was a double ton against India.

Oh and Tim Robinson is still the Notts captain. Former Notts and
England team-mate, Chris Broad has gone back to Gloucs.

Quote:

>Peace,

>ANAND

Bye,

Sanjay Naik.

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Ted Dexter

Post by g9192.. » Mon, 28 Jun 1993 17:08:25

Sanjay Naik writes
?>Fowler became a great batsman after that 200 ? ;^) I think he's with
?>Durham now. Fowler was with Lancs until last year and he's been replaced
?>by the son of a former Lancs left-handed opener, Graham Lloyd (son of
?>David Lloyd).

Looks like all the pensioners :-) are headed for Durham - Graveney, Larkins,  
Chris Smith, Botham...  After all the hype about Durham gaining major county  
status, all we see is the county being a retiring ground for retiring  
cricketers :-(  Where are the great Durham players?

In the above context, does Atherton open the batting for Lancs at least now?  
One unusual thing about him is that while he opens for England, he doesn't (or  
at least didn't, while Mendis & Fowler were on) for Lancs.  Which makes him a  
test opener, but a fcmiddle-order bat.

?>Infact Graham Lloyd is a pretty decent batsman (although I've never seen
?>him play myself) and he would be a better bet than Graeme Fowler who is
?>well past his best now. BTW, David Lloyd's only score over 50 in a test
?>was a double ton against India.
?>
?>Oh and Tim Robinson is still the Notts captain. Former Notts and
?>England team-mate, Chris Broad has gone back to Gloucs.

Right now, most counties have 'updated' their skippers - as of '89, I remember  
that most counties had ancient skippers - David Hughes (Lancs), Keith Fletcher  
(Essex), Ian Greig (Surrey).  Now at least, most of the test or odi players  
lead their sides - Stewart (Surrey), Reeve (Warwicks), Fairbrother (Lancs) -  
though some counties still have ancient skippers - most notable among them  
Chris Tavare.

?>Bye,
?>
?>Sanjay Naik.
--
Jiminy Cricket

 
 
 

Ted Dexter

Post by Marcel vd Me » Mon, 28 Jun 1993 23:09:05

Quote:

>In the above context, does Atherton open the batting for Lancs at least now?  
>One unusual thing about him is that while he opens for England, he doesn't (or  

Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. Usually does these days.
Gooch doesn't always open with Essex anymore, drops down the order a lot
and Alec Stewart usually plays at 4 for Surrey.

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>at least didn't, while Mendis & Fowler were on) for Lancs.  Which makes him a  
>test opener, but a fcmiddle-order bat.
>Right now, most counties have 'updated' their skippers - as of '89, I remember  
>that most counties had ancient skippers - David Hughes (Lancs), Keith Fletcher  
>(Essex), Ian Greig (Surrey).  Now at least, most of the test or odi players  
>lead their sides - Stewart (Surrey), Reeve (Warwicks), Fairbrother (Lancs) -  
>though some counties still have ancient skippers - most notable among them  
>Chris Tavare.

Don't forget Phil Neale for Worcestershire as an ancient skipper.

Quote:
>--
>Jiminy Cricket

Marcel
--


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Ted Dexter

Post by Dimitrios Papadopoul » Tue, 29 Jun 1993 12:47:56

Quote:


>>                England's openers in 84-85 were Tim Robinson (Essex?) and Graeme
>>Fowler (who became a great batsman after scoring 200 in Madras; anybody
>>know where HE is now ? Dexter might want to bring him back), a right-left
>>combination (Fowler was left-handed (Another point in his favour for the
>>current series : anybody but Gower) and had quite an annoying habit of
>>playing this loose cut between the slips).

>Fowler became a great batsman after that 200 ? ;^) I think he's with
>Durham now. Fowler was with Lancs until last year and he's been replaced
>by the son of a former Lancs left-handed opener, Graham Lloyd (son of
>David Lloyd).

>Infact Graham Lloyd is a pretty decent batsman (although I've never seen
>him play myself) and he would be a better bet than Graeme Fowler who is
>well past his best now. BTW, David Lloyd's only score over 50 in a test
>was a double ton against India.

ya-i remember this one-He got this double hundred in the
1974 series(summer of 42 fame)-i think mike dennis got his maiden
hundred in the same innings and went on to score another one
in the next game.

--Pushkar

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

>Oh and Tim Robinson is still the Notts captain. Former Notts and
>England team-mate, Chris Broad has gone back to Gloucs.

>>Peace,

>>ANAND

>Bye,

>Sanjay Naik.

>--
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>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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