South African captain caught cheating !!!!!!!

South African captain caught cheating !!!!!!!

Post by Paul Morriso » Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> and did u hear his pathetic excuse? "i was playing with it..."
> HA!! Cronje you got caught fair and square, but dont worry, the cricket
> authorities would be too spineless to do anyfink about...

I assume the possibility that one of the most honest men in world
cricket is actually telling the truth might have passed you by?

I sincerely hope that this is not the Australian media's attempt (and
it is only the Australian media who are so certain he is cheating) to
draw attention away from the fact that Australia played quite badly in
their two matches against SA. Perhaps they think this will somehow
justify the team's loss...

--
Paul Morrison

 
 
 

South African captain caught cheating !!!!!!!

Post by Rory Campbe » Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:00:00

|> >
|> > and did u hear his pathetic excuse? "i was playing with it..."
|> > HA!! Cronje you got caught fair and square, but dont worry, the cricket
|> > authorities would be too spineless to do anyfink about...
|>
|> I assume the possibility that one of the most honest men in world
|> cricket is actually telling the truth might have passed you by?

He's one of the most honest men in the world?  Based on what, exactly?

|>
|> I sincerely hope that this is not the Australian media's attempt (and
|> it is only the Australian media who are so certain he is cheating) to
|> draw attention away from the fact that Australia played quite badly in
|> their two matches against SA. Perhaps they think this will somehow
|> justify the team's loss...

I don't for one moment think that Hansie was cheating, but what you're
saying makes no sense.  If someone is caught cheating then the result
of the match should be irrelevant.

Under your system if Player X is caught cheating against Team Y, then
he can only be reasonably called a cheat if Team Y won the game,
because if Team Y lost then it's obviously sour grapes.

The Moral:  If you're going to cheat, make sure you win, then all
accusations of cheating can be safely howled down with comments like
"Bad Losers", "Sour Grapes" etc.

Do you really want that to happen?

 
 
 

South African captain caught cheating !!!!!!!

Post by The dog McIntos » Fri, 19 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> You guys are ***ing on.
> You DON'T KNOW whether he was cheating.
> What you do know is he had his boot on the ball.
> This was a silly act by Cronje, but that appears to be all it was.
> His mind seemed to be on the crowd disturbance at the time and was just
> mindlessly fiddling around with the ball.
> Silly yes, but cheating NO!!!

> Cronje actions in past during games would give no reason to assume he was
> intentionally trying to gain an advantage by messing up the ball

Amen to that.

I have just seen the footage, and quite frankly, it didn't look like he was
cheating to me at
all.  It looked to me like he was bored, and just played around with the
ball.  As a person
who tries to balance on inappropriate things at the smallest provication (or
indeed, tried to balance inappropriate things ON me. I used to get into heaps
of trouble for balancing my pen on my nose when bored in lectures), this
seems a very natural thing to do.  Silly though, especially under the
cirumstances.

But I really don't think jabbing a ball vaguely with your toe whilst waiting
for unruly spectators to behave can be constituted as cheating.

Especially as there really wasn't any point in it.  We were being flogged
before that happened anyway.

Cheers

Di

 
 
 

South African captain caught cheating !!!!!!!

Post by Ben Kirtlan » Fri, 19 Dec 1997 04:00:00

hypothetical:
remove Cronje, insert Warne.. we wouldnt be able to shut u lot up....
if it was an Australian player, such as Shane Warne who did what Cronje did,
all u guys would be the first and loudest to be screaming he was a cheat,
and we would be getting the good ol' "sons of convicts" arguments again...

Cronje looked at the ball shined one side of up, dropped onto the ground,
rolled so it was "sunnyside up" and then stood on it and trod it into the
turf... ball tampering clear and cut...

Quote:


>> You guys are ***ing on.
>> You DON'T KNOW whether he was cheating.

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South African captain caught cheating !!!!!!!

Post by Shane Curra » Fri, 19 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


> > and did u hear his pathetic excuse? "i was playing with it..."
> > HA!! Cronje you got caught fair and square, but dont worry, the cricket
> > authorities would be too spineless to do anyfink about...

> I assume the possibility that one of the most honest men in world
> cricket is actually telling the truth might have passed you by?

<snort>

I will email his holiness immediately to arrange for the canonisation of
St Hansie the honest.

Perhaps a career in politics, "Vote for Honest Hansie"

get a grip Paulie, this man is a professional cricketer!! It is not
entirely beyond the realms of possibility that he may bend the rules in
his favour from time to time. Nor is it entirely absurd to suggest that
he may not always be entirely forthright in his responses.

BTW, implicit in your statement is the suggestion that he is *more*
honest than other cricketers, I find this rather arrogant (not that I
would want to stereotype South Africans as arrogant - never :-)) and
slightly offensive.

cheers

Shane

 
 
 

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Post by Tim Cotsfor » Fri, 19 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:23:56 +1030, "Ben Kirtland"

> >hypothetical:
> >remove Cronje, insert Warne.. we wouldnt be able to shut u lot up....
> >if it was an Australian player, such as Shane Warne who did what Cronje did,
> >all u guys would be the first and loudest to be screaming he was a cheat,
> >and we would be getting the good ol' "sons of convicts" arguments again...
> Unfortunately, Ben, you're probably right.

> >Cronje looked at the ball shined one side of up, dropped onto the ground,
> >rolled so it was "sunnyside up" and then stood on it and trod it into the
> >turf... ball tampering clear and cut...

> Well... what was his motivation for doing it? If he did it to discolor
> or scuff the ball then, yes, it was cheating. From what I could see on
> TV Cronje - who was not wearing spikes - rested the toe of his foot
> lightly on the ball, he didn't tread it into the ground.

> Cronje has said that he can't remember the incident - which occured
> during the crowd disturbances in the first ODI - and that he was
> preoccupied with the question of whether or not he should take his
> team off the field. On being shown the footage he acknowledged, as he
> had to, that he had placed his foot upon the ball but denied that he
> had been trying to discolor it. He also pointed out that the charge in
> the press was made *12 days* after the event, and that no complaints
> had been made by any Australian player, by the Australian management,
> by the match referee or the umpires. He added that umpires now inspect
> the ball at regular intervals and that it would be very hard to tamper
> the ball and get away with it.

> Steve Waugh has played the incident down. Johannesburg's top daily
> newspaper The Star quotes him as saying "He (Cronje) is a great
> fellow. He plays it tough and he plays it fair so I'm willing to give
> him the benefit of the doubt."

I'm undecided as to his reasons. If he wasn't wearing spikes, then I can't see
any problem. It was done in a lull in play and Cronjie is claiming that it was
little more than  a reflex action, akin to tossing the ball from hand to hand
whilst waiting. However, in the interests of completeness, last night on Sports
Tonight I saw SWaugh talking the incident up, wondering what on earth Hansie was
playing at  and saying that he is going to be in big trouble.

Cheers

Tim

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Quote:
> There was, in fact, an enquiry by Terry Prue to Cronje, but it did not
> concern this incident. Prue was concerned about the SA fielders
> pitching the ball on the ground whilst passing it back to the bowler.
> Cronje replied that this was the way in which SA passed the ball
> amongst each other. "Sometimes we do it for fun, sometimes you do that
> to get the ball a little rough on one side."

> That's a remarkably frank admission by Cronje, given that that act
> comed close to contravening the spirit if not the letter of Law 42.5.

> If 42.5 is contravened then the umpires are to change the ball. Was
> the ball changed during this match?

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South African captain caught cheating !!!!!!!

Post by Ben » Fri, 19 Dec 1997 04:00:00

I'd have to say it was a pretty dodgy thing to do.  I saw the footage a
few times with a couple of friends last night while watching the Aus vs
NZ game, and we all agreed that it looked pretty damn deliberate. I
mean, who whould drop a ball, tap it near his foot, then lean into it
*with spikes*, and call that playing with it? I though it was also
interesting to note his body actions, there were glances down to the
ball to see that it was in place, with the right side up, and then the
"casual" lean onto the ball while looking around...

As for the shoes he was wearing, I did hear that they did infact have
spikes, at least thats what some of the commentators from last nights
match were saying...

Quote:
> and did u hear his pathetic excuse? "i was playing with it..."

I would also have to agree, it was pretty pathetic.  To me, it also
seems a bit suss that a man who claims to be innocent, takes a cowardly
low profile and lets someone else try and dismiss the charges.

I also heard that, as hansie left the field, a reporter asked him what
he was doing when he trod on the ball.  Apparently, hansie was really
nervous and said something like, "I don't know what you're talking
about."

Quote:
> > His mind seemed to be on the crowd disturbance at the time and was just
> > mindlessly fiddling around with the ball.

Or trying to use the crowd disturbance (unsuccesfully) as a cover for
his activities...

I could end by saying he is a cowardly, lying cheat, but there are a few
inconsistencies in both sides of the story, but I guess we can't tell
really what is the truth just yet...

Just my thoughts on the matter...

Ben

 
 
 

South African captain caught cheating !!!!!!!

Post by Timmy the Mediocr » Fri, 19 Dec 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

> > and did u hear his pathetic excuse? "i was playing with it..."
> > HA!! Cronje you got caught fair and square, but dont worry, the cricket
> > authorities would be too spineless to do anyfink about...

> I assume the possibility that one of the most honest men in world
> cricket is actually telling the truth might have passed you by?

> I sincerely hope that this is not the Australian media's attempt (and
> it is only the Australian media who are so certain he is cheating) to
> draw attention away from the fact that Australia played quite badly in
> their two matches against SA. Perhaps they think this will somehow
> justify the team's loss...

Can't be the media that I read. More often than not they're at their most
joyous and descriptive when Australia gets hammered. Not nearly as bad as
the English Tabloids, but we're workiong at it.

Tim

Quote:

> --
> Paul Morrison

 
 
 

South African captain caught cheating !!!!!!!

Post by Grant Baudi » Fri, 19 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
> hypothetical:
> remove Cronje, insert Warne.. we wouldnt be able to shut u lot up....
> if it was an Australian player, such as Shane Warne who did what Cronje
did,
> all u guys would be the first and loudest to be screaming he was a cheat,
> and we would be getting the good ol' "sons of convicts" arguments
again...

Bullshit, it's got nothing to do with nationality.  Aussies always seem to
be head of the list when accusing players of ball tampering etc.  Maybe
it's the Poms you are thinking of but I don't know any S.Africans who have
used the "sons of convicts" arguement.
 
 
 

South African captain caught cheating !!!!!!!

Post by Mike Rochfor » Fri, 19 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> > hypothetical:
> > remove Cronje, insert Warne.. we wouldnt be able to shut u lot up....
> > if it was an Australian player, such as Shane Warne who did what Cronje
> did,
> > all u guys would be the first and loudest to be screaming he was a cheat,
> > and we would be getting the good ol' "sons of convicts" arguments
> again...

The difference is that by his track record to date, Shane has proved
himself to be a complete ***. Wheras Hansie has proved himself to be
an honest, decent and honourable gentleman !!!!!

Mike.