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Post by Devda » Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:17:09


Got rid of Hussain with a peach of a ball. Once again he has proved
that when it comes to getting rid of best batsman he is our only
strike bowler.

Devdas [ randi krishna must be burning like fire ]

 
 
 

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Post by Nikhil Sha » Mon, 29 Jul 2002 02:09:31

Quote:

> Got rid of Hussain with a peach of a ball. Once again he has proved
> that when it comes to getting rid of best batsman he is our only
> strike bowler.

> Devdas [ randi krishna must be burning like fire ]

Well, Devdas, the series stats for the bowling
looks like as follows:

Name          W  Best     Ave  Econ    SR
A Nehra       1  1-101 147.00  3.86 228.0
Z Khan        3  3-90   33.00  2.41  82.0
AB Agarkar    3  2-98   39.33  4.21  56.0
A Kumble      5  3-128  33.00  3.03  65.2
V Sehwag      1  1-32   32.00  3.20  60.0

Looks like Nehra has gone completely South :-) Only
one tail end wicket :-) Actually, Nehra has very few
supporters and his performance has seriously going
downhill after his successful debut tour of Zimbabwe.

Apparently, all three seamers need time to maintain
consistency and with no other choice left in the
bowling department, the Indian fans have to bite the
bullet and continue with the 3 seamers for the rest
of the series. Ganguly is trying to restrict Agarkar,
so that he can bring in Harby for T2 :-)

I would say, considering Nehra current form, if he wants
Harby back, and the way Agarkar bowled in the 1-dayers
the choice should be Khan/Agarkar and Harby/Kumble for
T2.

Nikhil [ Is AAG is really on fire? :-) ] Shah

 
 
 

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Post by John Hal » Mon, 29 Jul 2002 02:43:41



Quote:
>Name          W  Best     Ave  Econ    SR
>A Nehra       1  1-101 147.00  3.86 228.0
>Z Khan        3  3-90   33.00  2.41  82.0
>AB Agarkar    3  2-98   39.33  4.21  56.0
>A Kumble      5  3-128  33.00  3.03  65.2
>V Sehwag      1  1-32   32.00  3.20  60.0

>Looks like Nehra has gone completely South :-) Only
>one tail end wicket :-) Actually, Nehra has very few
>supporters and his performance has seriously going
>downhill after his successful debut tour of Zimbabwe.

He bowled a good spell late today but had 3 catches dropped off him
IIRC.
--
John Hall
            "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick
             themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
                                              Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Holman » Mon, 29 Jul 2002 05:41:35


the keyboard and brought forth:

Quote:
>Got rid of Hussain with a peach of a ball. Once again he has proved
>that when it comes to getting rid of best batsman he is our only
>strike bowler.

You weren't watching the same match as I was, then.

Hussain was dismissed today because his eyes lit up at yet another
awful ball from Aggy, aimed to hit it for another boundary but
slightly misjudged the bounce.

And that's the only way a ridiculously bad bowler like Agarkar (at
least on his showings so far on this tour) is going to take wickets:
batsmen seeing balls which they think they can smash and misjudging
their shots. That's why he can get wickets at the death in odos too:
batsmen are trying to hit every terrible ball he bowls and they make
mistakes while doing it.

I'll give Agarkar's bowling one compliment: it's not quite as bad as
Zoysa's, who is the worst frontline bowler I've seen in a Test at
Lord's.

Cheers,

Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Yuk Tan » Mon, 29 Jul 2002 06:42:14


Quote:

> the keyboard and brought forth:

> >Got rid of Hussain with a peach of a ball. Once again he has proved
> >that when it comes to getting rid of best batsman he is our only
> >strike bowler.

> You weren't watching the same match as I was, then.

Since when has Shridhar (for so I judge Devdas to be) been objective about
Agarkar?

Quote:
> I'll give Agarkar's bowling one compliment: it's not quite as bad as
> Zoysa's, who is the worst frontline bowler I've seen in a Test at
> Lord's.

I didn't see much of the first day, and thus I probably missed his bad bits,
but until his wickets, and arguably including them, he seemed to be up there
with the worst of the Sri Lankan dross.  1 good ball, 3 reasonables and 8
truly awful deliveries per 2 overs do not a Test match bowler make.  His
only advantage over the Sri Lankans was that he topped the 80 mph mark.

Cheers, ymt.

 
 
 

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Post by Nikhil Sha » Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:26:08

Quote:



> >Name          W  Best     Ave  Econ    SR
> >A Nehra       1  1-101 147.00  3.86 228.0
> >Z Khan        3  3-90   33.00  2.41  82.0
> >AB Agarkar    3  2-98   39.33  4.21  56.0
> >A Kumble      5  3-128  33.00  3.03  65.2
> >V Sehwag      1  1-32   32.00  3.20  60.0

> >Looks like Nehra has gone completely South :-) Only
> >one tail end wicket :-) Actually, Nehra has very few
> >supporters and his performance has seriously going
> >downhill after his successful debut tour of Zimbabwe.

> He bowled a good spell late today but had 3 catches dropped off him

Well compared to Agarkar, Nehra after his 9th Test,
Nehra is more successful with the ball on cloudy
conditions and the conditions at Lords were Sunny and
the pitch was full of runs. Let us look at the Nehra's
progression so far:

Mat O       R   W    BBI    Ave  5 10  W/R
1   28      94   1  1/94   94.00  0  0  1/94
2   40     117   4  3/23   29.25  0  0  3/23
2   66.4   194   6  3/23   32.33  0  0  2/77
3   90.4   266  10  4/72   26.60  0  0  4/72
3  103.4   311  12  4/72   25.91  0  0  2/45
4  125.4   432  14  4/72   30.85  0  0  2/121
4  128.4   441  14  4/72   31.50  0  0  0/9
5  148.4   493  16  4/72   30.81  0  0  2/52
5  179.4   565  19  4/72   29.73  0  0  3/72
6  211.4   677  23  4/72   29.43  0  0  4/112
6  211.4   677  23  4/72   29.43  0  0   -
7  260.4   799  23  4/72   34.73  0  0  0/122
8  290.4   871  25  4/72   34.84  0  0  2/72
8  299.4   894  26  4/72   34.38  0  0  1/23

In his 9th Test match his average is close to
38, and diverging. He is a good bowler, no
doubt, but excels more on heavy weather conditions
and should not be a automatic choice. The
dropped catches were in the 2nd innings where
the match was already lost. The important time
was when he bowled with just one tail end wicket
in the first innings and after giving up 487
we lost the match or we are in trouble of losing :-)

For T2, I would retain Agarkar and Khan and depending
on the weather, and take Nehra and Bangar the two swing
specialists if the conditions are cloudy. The current
forecast for Nottingham for the weather around Aug 8
for T2 has rainy and cloudy conditions.

If the Nottingham pitch is full of runs, Nehra may
not be suitable for these conditions, like the Lords
pitch.

Regards

Nikhil

 
 
 

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Post by Devd » Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:15:05

Quote:

> Since when has Shridhar (for so I judge Devdas to be) been objective about
> Agarkar?

Hey, i have never gone gaga over Agarkar for a single time in this
series. The poster who is posting nonsense about Agarkar is not
me but RK who is forging my ID to malign my name. And the bait
is being taken by you fools. Next time, see the ID and if it


Devdas [not to deny though that Aggy hit the deck wonderfully yesterday]

 
 
 

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Post by Karthik Sankar » Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:04:52

Quote:


> the keyboard and brought forth:

> >Got rid of Hussain with a peach of a ball. Once again he has proved
> >that when it comes to getting rid of best batsman he is our only
> >strike bowler.

> You weren't watching the same match as I was, then.

> Hussain was dismissed today because his eyes lit up at yet another
> awful ball from Aggy, aimed to hit it for another boundary but
> slightly misjudged the bounce.

> And that's the only way a ridiculously bad bowler like Agarkar (at

                            ************************************

LOL!  

Quote:
>That's why he can get wickets at the death in odos too:
> batsmen are trying to hit every terrible ball he bowls and they make
> mistakes while doing it.

Thank god! At least one person understands this.
Quote:

> I'll give Agarkar's bowling one compliment: it's not quite as bad as
> Zoysa's, who is the worst frontline bowler I've seen in a Test at
> Lord's.

> Cheers,

> Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Karthik Sankar » Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:09:05

Quote:




> > the keyboard and brought forth:

> > >Got rid of Hussain with a peach of a ball. Once again he has proved
> > >that when it comes to getting rid of best batsman he is our only
> > >strike bowler.

> > You weren't watching the same match as I was, then.

> Since when has Shridhar (for so I judge Devdas to be) been objective about
> Agarkar?                 ***************************

Yep! Old idiot under a different name.
 
 
 

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Post by yeska » Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:51:12

Quote:


> > Since when has Shridhar (for so I judge Devdas to be) been objective about
> > Agarkar?

> Hey, i have never gone gaga over Agarkar for a single time in this
> series.

If you are Shridhar, why do you refer to yourself in third person in
some of your 'devdas' posts?
 
 
 

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Post by Devd » Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:47:52

Quote:

> And that's the only way a ridiculously bad bowler like Agarkar (at

Yeah that is why one of the best batsmen in the world Steve Waugh
and one of the best bowlers in the world Allan Donald are impressed
with him. Go take a hike, Holmanoswamy.

Devdas

 
 
 

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Post by samarth harish sha » Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:19:56

<snip>

Quote:
> > I'll give Agarkar's bowling one compliment: it's not quite as bad as
> > Zoysa's, who is the worst frontline bowler I've seen in a Test at
> > Lord's.

> I didn't see much of the first day, and thus I probably missed his bad bits,
> but until his wickets, and arguably including them, he seemed to be up there
> with the worst of the Sri Lankan dross.  1 good ball, 3 reasonables and 8
> truly awful deliveries per 2 overs do not a Test match bowler make.  His
> only advantage over the Sri Lankans was that he topped the 80 mph mark.

I could've sworn you were talking about Simon Jones, whose only advantage
was that he was bowling to piss-poor India.

-Samarth.

 
 
 

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Post by Yuk Tan » Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:30:02



Quote:

> <snip>

> > > I'll give Agarkar's bowling one compliment: it's not quite as bad as
> > > Zoysa's, who is the worst frontline bowler I've seen in a Test at
> > > Lord's.

> > I didn't see much of the first day, and thus I probably missed his bad
bits,
> > but until his wickets, and arguably including them, he seemed to be up
there
> > with the worst of the Sri Lankan dross.  1 good ball, 3 reasonables and
8
> > truly awful deliveries per 2 overs do not a Test match bowler make.  His
> > only advantage over the Sri Lankans was that he topped the 80 mph mark.

> I could've sworn you were talking about Simon Jones, whose only advantage
> was that he was bowling to piss-poor India.

Ah, but he was bowling 90+ mph rubbish, which is harder to hit.  Seriously,
I don't think that I've said anywhere that Jones was any good in this Test.
Flintoff was quite good when he started swinging the old ball.  White was
***throughout, although I don't know how much of his line was
intentionally wide.  Hoggard was the most impressive, bowling just short of
a drive in the corridor, outside off but with the hint that a nip-backer
would land the batsman on the creek.  Giles was actually quite decent,
despite his detractors.  Apart from Murali, I'd say that he spins it more
than any other first choice finger-spinner currently playing.  If only he
can have the confidence and field for bowling round the wicket.

Cheers, ymt.

 
 
 

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Post by Devd » Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:02:29

Quote:

> Yep! Old idiot under a different name.

No one can be stupider than you to post the same age-old rants
against Mumbai players under the same old name despite the
gang-raping endured at the hands of the Bonda-bashing gang of four
in early 2001!!!

Devdas

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Robso » Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:27:20

Quote:

> I could've sworn you were talking about Simon Jones, whose only advantage
> was that he was bowling to piss-poor India.

Well, on a slow pitch he had***poor Tendulkar wobbling - and weht
Sehwag's off sstump :)