T20s making further inroads in England

T20s making further inroads in England

Post by Uday Raja » Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:29:26


Came across this article about the upcoming English domestic season,
by Vic Marks in the Guardian:
http://SportToday.org/

He says that most counties will have played half their championship
matches by the end of May, to make room for an expanded set of T20
matches. Have they cut down on the number of first-class matches this
year?

It seems that even in England, T20 cricket is becoming the ***
form of the game. It has already assumed that role in India. Surely,
Test cricket will decline in quality over the years, since young
players will be slower to develop the mental skills necessary to
perform in the longer format.

 
 
 

T20s making further inroads in England

Post by Andrew Dunfor » Thu, 08 Apr 2010 13:03:00


Quote:
> Came across this article about the upcoming English domestic season,
> by Vic Marks in the Guardian:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2010/apr/03/county-championship-...

> He says that most counties will have played half their championship
> matches by the end of May, to make room for an expanded set of T20
> matches. Have they cut down on the number of first-class matches this
> year?

No, the County Championship is a two-division double round robin as in
previous years.  However they have dropped the last remaining 50-over
tournament (called the Friends Provident Trophy in 2009) which previously
occupied a substantial portion of May; coupled with the earlier start to the
season, there is now a loading of CC matches into the early part of the
season in order to clear room for the expanded T20 tournament.

On the bright side, I am travelling to London this weekend and have the
chance to sleep off a few hours of jet lag at The Oval on Sunday afternoon,
weather permitting.

Andrew

 
 
 

T20s making further inroads in England

Post by Suresh K » Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:10:12


Quote:
> It seems that even in England, T20 cricket is becoming the ***
> form of the game. It has already assumed that role in India. Surely,
> Test cricket will decline in quality over the years, since young
> players will be slower to develop the mental skills necessary to
> perform in the longer format.

If they develop those skills at all. I suspect that we have two forms
of the game that call for skills that are somewhat in opposition. The
kinds of batting skills, techniques and temperaments that are valued
in T20 may well be seen as deficiencies in Test batting. Ditto
bowling. The ability to bowl restrictively and let the batsman score
no more than a single run off a delivery (and go for 7 or less in an
over) may be of great value in T20. In Test Cricket it is likely to
result in a bowling side that will struggle to get 20 batsmen out even
on a wicket that offers some help to the bowlers (let alone the shirt
front featherbeds that are frequently on offer). Fielding in Tests may
be the one area which may benefit thanks to T20.

I wonder if the advent of ODIs and the rapid gains that they made in
popularity improved Test Cricket. Did batting or Bowling become better
in Tests as a result of ODI's? Certain kinds of players and playing
styles I fear are becoming scarcer. Let us start with style and grace
in batting. By the 90's and certainly in this decade, we seem to see
far fewer batsmen of the Kalicharan, Gomes, Hughes, Vaughn, Inzy,
Vishy, Azhar, Gower caliber. There are far fewer technicians too -
very few batsmen in the mold of Dravid, Boycott and Gavaskar. The
likes of Hayden, Gilchrist, Sehwag, Afridi are the successes of this
era. Lara, SRT and Ponting are the rare exceptions that play well in
both forms of the game. In Bowling too some of the 'finer' forms of
bowling are on the wane. We seem to be witnessing the last of the men
of guile in our times - Warne and Murali. Then there is swing bowling.
There are very few genuine swing bowlers - the likes of Wasim,
Marshall - left in the game now. May be it's the global warming. But
swing seems to be waning and increasingly pace and seam bowling are
the *** modes of quick bowling.

I suspect some of the above has to do with ODIs. And some other trends
are explained by the changed nature of the game - the need to please a
generation of TV viewers that are impatient with glances and square
drives and want the ball to be airborne early and frequently. Then
there is the economic phenomenon of rapidly middle classing India. The
new lower and mid middle classes - their ranks swell by the millions
each year - are young and did not come of Cricketing age in an earlier
era. The first Cricket that they watch is the Cricket of the age of
Sehwag. When you are raised on a diet of watching Sehwag launch a
delivery outside the off stump aerially over the point boundary for a
Six or Yuvraj dismantling Broad, the site of a Vaughn or VVSL lean
into a cover drive can be rather boring. I can't see a lot of younger
folks or the new Cricketing masses get e***d about a battle between
Alvin Kalicaran and Prsanna where after an exquisite duel lasting 10
overs ... nothing really happens (AIK is not out, Prasanna has beaten
the bat often but that's about it). Perhaps those contests were meant
for a more unhurried time when only birds twittered.

So some combination of all these factors have surely changed the face
of Test Cricket (the usual disclaimer - no claim is made that one form
of Cricket is superior to another, or that the burgeoning middle class
in India is inferior in any manner - I am merely commenting on what I
see as certain styles of play becoming scarcer. Cricketing aesthetics
like feminine beauty are in the eye of the beholder).

I suspect that in the next 5 years or so, Test Cricket will be deeply
impacted by T20, TV, and the demographics of Asia. We will be able to
watch T20's in iPad and who knows the rules of T20's might even be
modified to fit the 9 inch screen.

Suresh

 
 
 

T20s making further inroads in England

Post by xs.. » Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:06:33


Quote:
> Came across this article about the upcoming English domestic season,
> by Vic Marks in the Guardian:http://SportToday.org/

> He says that most counties will have played half their championship
> matches by the end of May, to make room for an expanded set of T20
> matches. Have they cut down on the number of first-class matches this
> year?

> It seems that even in England, T20 cricket is becoming the ***
> form of the game. It has already assumed that role in India. Surely,
> Test cricket will decline in quality over the years, since young
> players will be slower to develop the mental skills necessary to
> perform in the longer format.

test cricket in england will decline only if the
south africans take to t20 in a big way.
 
 
 

T20s making further inroads in England

Post by Jellor » Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:42:01


Quote:
> Came across this article about the upcoming English domestic season,
> by Vic Marks in the Guardian:http://SportToday.org/

> He says that most counties will have played half their championship
> matches by the end of May, to make room for an expanded set of T20
> matches. Have they cut down on the number of first-class matches this
> year?

> It seems that even in England, T20 cricket is becoming the ***
> form of the game. It has already assumed that role in India. Surely,
> Test cricket will decline in quality over the years, since young
> players will be slower to develop the mental skills necessary to
> perform in the longer format.

T20 was first played in England.
 
 
 

T20s making further inroads in England

Post by Yoke » Fri, 09 Apr 2010 03:27:48



Quote:
> Came across this article about the upcoming English domestic season,
> by Vic Marks in the
> Guardian:http://SportToday.org/

> He says that most counties will have played half their championship
> matches by the end of May, to make room for an expanded set of T20
> matches. Have they cut down on the number of first-class matches this
> year?

> It seems that even in England, T20 cricket is becoming the ***
> form of the game. It has already assumed that role in India. Surely,
> Test cricket will decline in quality over the years, since young
> players will be slower to develop the mental skills necessary to
> perform in the longer format.

|
|T20 was first played in England.
|

One thing which has been going on in England for as long as I can remember
(and I am in my 50s) is 18 or 20 over a side evening cricket at local (or
"recreational") level.  In my part of the world we have both League and Cup
competitions in this format.

Because England is so far from the equator (of the main cricket playing
nations only the South Island of New Zealand even comes close) we get long
days in the summer, and for over two months from mid May to late July the
sun does not set until after 2030 local time (with "daylight saving", that
is the clocks advanced an hour from "normal" time).  So you can come home
from work, go to the cricket ground and have an evening game (starting at
1815 or thereabouts) without needing floodlights.  This is why the first two
cricket World Cups were held in England, because in those days the art of
floodlighting cricket grounds was not as it is today.

Do they have the equivalent at recreational level in the more tropical
cricket playing nations?
--
                - Yokel -

"Yokel" posts via a spam-trap account which is not read.

 
 
 

T20s making further inroads in England

Post by Suresh K » Fri, 09 Apr 2010 04:00:03


Quote:
> ?So you can come home
> from work, go to the cricket ground and have an evening game (starting at
> 1815 or thereabouts) without needing floodlights. ?

Snip.

Quote:
> Do they have the equivalent at recreational level in the more tropical
> cricket playing nations?

Perhaps not. But we have 72 million govt. and public sector employees'
and families. Many come home from work around 13:15 and pursue
recreational activities while others pursue them at work from around
09:00 hours :-)

Suresh

 
 
 

T20s making further inroads in England

Post by (max.it » Fri, 09 Apr 2010 04:51:33

On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:27:48 +0100, "Yokel"

Quote:




>> Came across this article about the upcoming English domestic season,
>> by Vic Marks in the
>> Guardian:http://SportToday.org/

>> He says that most counties will have played half their championship
>> matches by the end of May, to make room for an expanded set of T20
>> matches. Have they cut down on the number of first-class matches this
>> year?

>> It seems that even in England, T20 cricket is becoming the ***
>> form of the game. It has already assumed that role in India. Surely,
>> Test cricket will decline in quality over the years, since young
>> players will be slower to develop the mental skills necessary to
>> perform in the longer format.
>|
>|T20 was first played in England.
>|

>One thing which has been going on in England for as long as I can remember
>(and I am in my 50s) is 18 or 20 over a side evening cricket at local (or
>"recreational") level.  In my part of the world we have both League and Cup
>competitions in this format.

>Because England is so far from the equator (of the main cricket playing
>nations only the South Island of New Zealand even comes close) we get long
>days in the summer, and for over two months from mid May to late July the
>sun does not set until after 2030 local time (with "daylight saving", that
>is the clocks advanced an hour from "normal" time).  So you can come home
>from work, go to the cricket ground and have an evening game (starting at
>1815 or thereabouts) without needing floodlights.  This is why the first two
>cricket World Cups were held in England, because in those days the art of
>floodlighting cricket grounds was not as it is today.

>Do they have the equivalent at recreational level in the more tropical
>cricket playing nations?
>--
>                - Yokel -

>"Yokel" posts via a spam-trap account which is not read.

We play Taverners cricket on Friday evenings. I have never scored the
25 runs needed to be retired, but I have been dismissed 'drunk'. The
umpire was a friend, he said his suspicion was aroused when I came to
bat in my floppy hat and shades on. Then placing my pint carefully
between the keeper and wicket,warning the keeper not to spill it, and
then charging the first delivery confirmed it for him..Ah well.

Apart from the 'social' mayhem involved in Taverners cricket, we play
20 overs, you keep batting until 20 overs have been completed. Any not
out retired batsmen come back in, and if they get out with time left
the out batsmen come back in.
Ten bowlers at 2 overs each gives everyone a chance ;)

Last year we had Taverners v an Ireland former and current XI. I got a
wicket and I thought that was the highlight of My Taverners season.
Until this game.
A local factory match which turned out to be a global match. Guys were
flown in from USA and India, several from England. Our opening bowler
works for one of the factories and he didn't even get a game!!
I umpired and it was a hot contest. Apart from 2 players on one team,
all the other players were Indians. Some fine cricketers on display
too (for a factory match). I didn't know until after the game that one
factory had hired out the members bar and restaurant for a meal and
free beer. That's when I found out just how far and wide the players
came from.
I'm the club sec of the ground they used, so I was phising for
players. One guy I targetted turned out to be from London and played
as a keeper/batsman in a quite good league, a bowler I investigated
was travelling from a job in USA to a job in India and was diverted to
Ireland to play in the match. He was a bit rusty, but you know we like
to think we know a good'n when we see one.
They have booked 4 matches this year. I love it, I have umpired senior
league matches where there was only cricket motions, these factory
guys in a Taverners match play flat out cricket emotion.

max.it

 
 
 

T20s making further inroads in England

Post by jzfredrick » Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:03:34

Quote:
> One thing which has been going on in England for as long as I can remember
> (and I am in my 50s) is 18 or 20 over a side evening cricket at local (or
> "recreational") level. ?In my part of the world we have both League and Cup
> competitions in this format.

This type of game was easily the highlight of my English cricket
"career". Finish work, run off down the park, play a 15 overs (8 balls
= 120 balls = 20 regular overs)  a side game, then go for beer and
curry!

Happy days.

 
 
 

T20s making further inroads in England

Post by Geoff Muldoo » Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:14:48


Quote:
> One thing which has been going on in England for as long as I can remember
> (and I am in my 50s) is 18 or 20 over a side evening cricket at local (or
> "recreational") level.  In my part of the world we have both League and Cup
> competitions in this format.
> Do they have the equivalent at recreational level in the more tropical
> cricket playing nations?

Lismore, northern NSW, Australia (near Byron Bay) ...

Just finished my 20th++ season of "twilight cricket".  Played after work
during the week (we play in the Wednesday comp), 16 overs per side, 8
players per side, everyone has to bowl 2 overs, retire when batting as
soon as you reach/pass 40, last batsman keeps on playing if 7 wickets
down, 6-ish metre maximum bowlers' runup. 10 teams in our round-robin comp
this year.

Synthetic pitches, normal size field, so scores around 150 are not
uncommon given that you only have bowler, keeper and 6 fielders.  Usually
start a bit after 5:30pm and finish by around 7:30pm.

New law introduced a couple of seasons ago banning drinks in glass
containers (only allowed cans now) on the playing field is criminal IMHO,
stupid OH&S crap.  Obviously a VERY social competition.  Usually back to
the pub for lengthy postmortems after the game.

GM

Played against some fill-in player named Adam Gilchrist one game, mind you
he was about 14 years old at the time ...

 
 
 

T20s making further inroads in England

Post by Nirvana » Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:50:02


Quote:

> > Came across this article about the upcoming English domestic season,
> > by Vic Marks in the Guardian:http://SportToday.org/

> > He says that most counties will have played half their championship
> > matches by the end of May, to make room for an expanded set of T20
> > matches. Have they cut down on the number of first-class matches this
> > year?

> > It seems that even in England, T20 cricket is becoming the ***
> > form of the game. It has already assumed that role in India. Surely,
> > Test cricket will decline in quality over the years, since young
> > players will be slower to develop the mental skills necessary to
> > perform in the longer format.

> test cricket in england will decline only if the
> south africans take to t20 in a big way.

ROFLMAO....seriously funny one!