Salaries for overseas players in English county

Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by India Fa » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:44:55


All I keep hearing is that they pay good money?  But are there any real
numbers as to the
range (or specifics) as to what players make in English county?
 
 
 

Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by sdavmo » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:13:03

Quote:

> All I keep hearing is that they pay good money?  But are there any
> real numbers as to the range (or specifics) as to what players make
> in English county?

Before T2 of the Ashes series Pietersen's published base in an
Observer full-page article was 90,000 quid. Ed Smith mentions 50,000
pounds in his recent book when he was with Kent and played his three
tests for England (2003). I don't recall if that was in the context
of a typical senior professional or him personally, and I can't look
it up since the book is out on loan. A journeyman trying to hook up
with a team will get 26 pounds a day + expenses, by agreement with
with PCA per diem rules.

So, depending on who the overseas player is, his recent form, etc.,
I'd expect something towards the upper end of things, keeping in mind
many of these are short-term contracts, and may include things like a
courtesy hire car and a place to live as part of the deal sweeteners.
Maybe Mike Holman can give some more accurate figures than these.

BTW, Ed Smith's book "On and Off the field" is an excellent personal
diary covering one year of playing cricket. Well worth reading if
you want to get inside the mind of a county cricket professional,
and get a sense of what the pro game is all about in the UK.
--
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Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by dp » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:13:36

Quote:


> > All I keep hearing is that they pay good money?  But are there any
> > real numbers as to the range (or specifics) as to what players make
> > in English county?

> Before T2 of the Ashes series Pietersen's published base in an
> Observer full-page article was 90,000 quid. Ed Smith mentions 50,000
> pounds in his recent book when he was with Kent and played his three
> tests for England (2003). I don't recall if that was in the context

About 10 years back (1995), a fairly junior Indian pacer was paid
around 30,000 pounds plus accomodation, iirc, for an entire season by
Gloucs.

dp

 
 
 

Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by India Fa » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:29:53

Quote:



> > > All I keep hearing is that they pay good money?  But are there any
> > > real numbers as to the range (or specifics) as to what players make
> > > in English county?

> > Before T2 of the Ashes series Pietersen's published base in an
> > Observer full-page article was 90,000 quid. Ed Smith mentions 50,000
> > pounds in his recent book when he was with Kent and played his three
> > tests for England (2003). I don't recall if that was in the context

> About 10 years back (1995), a fairly junior Indian pacer was paid
> around 30,000 pounds plus accomodation, iirc, for an entire season by
> Gloucs.

Thanks!  That sounds like pretty good money for a cricketer.
BTW, is it Srinath?
 
 
 

Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by shariq_ta.. » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:03:19

Quote:

> All I keep hearing is that they pay good money?  But are there any real
> numbers as to the
> range (or specifics) as to what players make in English county?

I remember Zaheer Abbas telling my Uncle that he got 17,000 pounds in
1984 for an entire county season. Wasim Akram in 1988 signed a contract
for 34,000-36,000 pounds per county season for Lancashire. Waqar Younis
after a smashing debut for Surrey in the summer of 1990 signed what I
heard was between a 45,000-50,000 pounds per season contract for some 3
years - at that time he was the highest paid player in county cricket

Shariq

 
 
 

Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by dp » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:21:59

Quote:




> > > > All I keep hearing is that they pay good money?  But are there any
> > > > real numbers as to the range (or specifics) as to what players make
> > > > in English county?

> > > Before T2 of the Ashes series Pietersen's published base in an
> > > Observer full-page article was 90,000 quid. Ed Smith mentions 50,000
> > > pounds in his recent book when he was with Kent and played his three
> > > tests for England (2003). I don't recall if that was in the context

> > About 10 years back (1995), a fairly junior Indian pacer was paid
> > around 30,000 pounds plus accomodation, iirc, for an entire season by
> > Gloucs.

> Thanks!  That sounds like pretty good money for a cricketer.

Well, it was for 5-6 months of non-stop cricket. It also had a base
component of around 20k I think and then performance component (per
match played, per wicket taken etc). Yes, it was good money for an
Indian cricketer those days and still probably is for cricketers from
some other countries now,  but a software engineer with 5 years
experience (equivalent to Srinath's at that stage) could also earn
close to that much following Srinath's exploits on Cricinfo at that
time.

dp

 
 
 

Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by sdavmo » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:27:28

Quote:





>>>>> All I keep hearing is that they pay good money?  But are there any
>>>>> real numbers as to the range (or specifics) as to what players make
>>>>> in English county?
>>>> Before T2 of the Ashes series Pietersen's published base in an
>>>> Observer full-page article was 90,000 quid. Ed Smith mentions 50,000
>>>> pounds in his recent book when he was with Kent and played his three
>>>> tests for England (2003). I don't recall if that was in the context
>>> About 10 years back (1995), a fairly junior Indian pacer was paid
>>> around 30,000 pounds plus accomodation, iirc, for an entire season by
>>> Gloucs.
>> Thanks!  That sounds like pretty good money for a cricketer.

> Well, it was for 5-6 months of non-stop cricket. It also had a base
> component of around 20k I think and then performance component (per
> match played, per wicket taken etc). Yes, it was good money for an
> Indian cricketer those days and still probably is for cricketers from
> some other countries now,  but a software engineer with 5 years
> experience (equivalent to Srinath's at that stage) could also earn
> close to that much following Srinath's exploits on Cricinfo at that
> time.

> dp

Compare to Major League Baseball.  The minimum guaranteed salary under
the collective bargaining agreement is $327,000 (US) for the 2006
season.  The average salary of a Major League ballplayer in 2005 was
$2,476,589 (US).
--
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SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
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"Codetalkers" CD coming very soon in 2006
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Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by dp » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:32:20

Quote:

> Compare to Major League Baseball.  The minimum guaranteed salary under
> the collective bargaining agreement is $327,000 (US) for the 2006
> season.  The average salary of a Major League ballplayer in 2005 was
> $2,476,589 (US).

That's the price cricketers pay for being bonded labourers of their
respective boards.

dp

 
 
 

Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by Gafoo » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:19:31

Quote:


>> Compare to Major League Baseball.  The minimum guaranteed salary
>> under the collective bargaining agreement is $327,000 (US) for the
>> 2006 season.  The average salary of a Major League ballplayer in
>> 2005 was $2,476,589 (US).

> That's the price cricketers pay for being bonded labourers of their
> respective boards.

Comparing county salaries 10 years back with the current salary at the
biggest baseball stage?
 
 
 

Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by dp » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:46:27

Quote:



> >> Compare to Major League Baseball.  The minimum guaranteed salary
> >> under the collective bargaining agreement is $327,000 (US) for the
> >> 2006 season.  The average salary of a Major League ballplayer in
> >> 2005 was $2,476,589 (US).

> > That's the price cricketers pay for being bonded labourers of their
> > respective boards.

> Comparing county salaries 10 years back with the current salary at the
> biggest baseball stage?

That comparison was by sdavmor. It did occur to me that it is not a
fair comparison by any means. But it is equally true that the players
make nowhere near what they *can* from cricket because they can play
for only one team.

dp

 
 
 

Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by Mike Holman » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:04:13


keyboard and brought forth:

Quote:



>> >> Compare to Major League Baseball.  The minimum guaranteed salary
>> >> under the collective bargaining agreement is $327,000 (US) for the
>> >> 2006 season.  The average salary of a Major League ballplayer in
>> >> 2005 was $2,476,589 (US).

>> > That's the price cricketers pay for being bonded labourers of their
>> > respective boards.

>> Comparing county salaries 10 years back with the current salary at the
>> biggest baseball stage?

>That comparison was by sdavmor. It did occur to me that it is not a
>fair comparison by any means. But it is equally true that the players
>make nowhere near what they *can* from cricket because they can play
>for only one team.

What on earth is this meant to mean? Justin Langer is currently
playing for Somerset. He used to play for Middlesex. In the trivial
sense that a player can't play for two different teams on the same
day, you are correct but unenlightening.

Cheers,

Mike

 
 
 

Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by dp » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:45:45

Quote:

> >That comparison was by sdavmor. It did occur to me that it is not a
> >fair comparison by any means. But it is equally true that the players
> >make nowhere near what they *can* from cricket because they can play
> >for only one team.

> What on earth is this meant to mean? Justin Langer is currently
> playing for Somerset. He used to play for Middlesex. In the trivial
> sense that a player can't play for two different teams on the same
> day, you are correct but unenlightening.

I was talking about being able to play for only one team at the highest
level - which is international level in cricket. Yes, we were
discussing county salaries, but sdvamor brought up salaries of MBL
players (which happens to be the highest level for Baseball), so I
(implicitly) switched to international cricket and commented that since
players are bound to one team (which should have been obvious from my
reference to "respective boards", but well...) they don't earn as much
as they should (which is not to say that if they had mobility, they
would earn as much as MBL players - they don't because cricket market
isn't as big as Baseball's, but still, even within the existing market,
players can't maximise their earnings because they are bound to their
board).

dp

 
 
 

Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by kipp » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:52:31

I wonder how much money is being paid to Ganguly??
Quote:


> > >That comparison was by sdavmor. It did occur to me that it is not a
> > >fair comparison by any means. But it is equally true that the players
> > >make nowhere near what they *can* from cricket because they can play
> > >for only one team.

> > What on earth is this meant to mean? Justin Langer is currently
> > playing for Somerset. He used to play for Middlesex. In the trivial
> > sense that a player can't play for two different teams on the same
> > day, you are correct but unenlightening.

> I was talking about being able to play for only one team at the highest
> level - which is international level in cricket. Yes, we were
> discussing county salaries, but sdvamor brought up salaries of MBL
> players (which happens to be the highest level for Baseball), so I
> (implicitly) switched to international cricket and commented that since
> players are bound to one team (which should have been obvious from my
> reference to "respective boards", but well...) they don't earn as much
> as they should (which is not to say that if they had mobility, they
> would earn as much as MBL players - they don't because cricket market
> isn't as big as Baseball's, but still, even within the existing market,
> players can't maximise their earnings because they are bound to their
> board).

> dp

 
 
 

Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by Mike Holman » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:54:26


keyboard and brought forth:

Quote:
>I wonder how much money is being paid to Ganguly??

Whatever it is, it's more than he deserves.

Cheers,

Mike

 
 
 

Salaries for overseas players in English county

Post by India Fa » Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:59:54

Quote:





> > > > > All I keep hearing is that they pay good money?  But are there any
> > > > > real numbers as to the range (or specifics) as to what players make
> > > > > in English county?

> > > > Before T2 of the Ashes series Pietersen's published base in an
> > > > Observer full-page article was 90,000 quid. Ed Smith mentions 50,000
> > > > pounds in his recent book when he was with Kent and played his three
> > > > tests for England (2003). I don't recall if that was in the context

> > > About 10 years back (1995), a fairly junior Indian pacer was paid
> > > around 30,000 pounds plus accomodation, iirc, for an entire season by
> > > Gloucs.

> > Thanks!  That sounds like pretty good money for a cricketer.

> Well, it was for 5-6 months of non-stop cricket. It also had a base
> component of around 20k I think and then performance component (per
> match played, per wicket taken etc). Yes, it was good money for an
> Indian cricketer those days and still probably is for cricketers from
> some other countries now,  but a software engineer with 5 years
> experience (equivalent to Srinath's at that stage) could also earn
> close to that much following Srinath's exploits on Cricinfo at that
> time.

:-)