Rakesh Gupta - For Or Against Robin?

Rakesh Gupta - For Or Against Robin?

Post by C. Fonsek » Mon, 22 Dec 1997 04:00:00


Consider the human, Rakesh Gupta.

First, he was ***ly anti-Robin during his initiation into the Indian
ODI team.

Then, as he turned in a few sterling performances, he became Robin's
biggest fan.

Next thing, a couple of failures, and he calls, not merely for his
dropping from the team, but for the absolute END to his entire CAREER.

Now that Robin Singh has taken 5 wickets, will the chameleon change
colours once again?

If he does, it will only serve as justification of the valuable award I
personally bestowed on him (most Mercurial Poster on RSC, for those of
you who missed it) only last week.

- Chan [can't wait to see...]

ps. Now all that remains is for Sidhu to be top-scorer in India's
winning reply.

pps. I already predicted India 2-1. Let's hope it won't be a whitewash.
I can already hear the daggers being sharpened for the next thread:
"Look what happened to the so-called World Champs". What *is* it with
this word "so-called"? Why can't you just come out and SAY it, moron?
That your definition of World Champions is that they remain unbeaten in
every series till the next World Cup (like all the previous WC winners).

By moron I am not referring to Rakesh, btw. Just to those cretins who
are so jealous of SL's recent good fortune that they're just waiting for
any opportunity to cut them down. And yes, I'm a little sensitive on
this issue.

 
 
 

Rakesh Gupta - For Or Against Robin?

Post by Siddhartha Duttagup » Tue, 23 Dec 1997 04:00:00

On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:38:52 -0900, "C. Fonseka"

Quote:

>Consider the human, Rakesh Gupta.
>If he does, it will only serve as justification of the valuable award I
>personally bestowed on him (most Mercurial Poster on RSC, for those of

Dear Chan,
I can't speak for Rakesh but you have to feel the pain of Indian
supporters;)) You see while you complain about our lack of faith, we
would argue that it is the players who invite that by their
inconsistency. Look what happened today,  Ganguly a capable batsman
got out in a pathetic manner. Sachin did very well, but what does it
mean in the next game. he will be probably out for 2. Ditto goes for
the whole side- batting as well as bowling. I agree that there is too
much cricket these days, but these guys don't even put up a fight most
of the time (as seen in Sharjah).
Just as we as fans have responsibility to be supportive of the team,
they should reciprocate it by being responsible too!
I guess Indian cricket will never go anywhere untill the selectors are
chosen only from R.S.C. gurus, and even then it probably won't go
anywhere;))
regards, siddhartha
PS about people being unkind to SL, my sympathies. They are certainly
champs and are currently no. 1/2 in the world. With so many games
being played now, it is easy to lose a couple. But unlike India, they
always command respect from their opponents because of their can-do
attitude.

 
 
 

Rakesh Gupta - For Or Against Robin?

Post by Rakesh Gupt » Tue, 23 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Consider the human, Rakesh Gupta.

> First, he was ***ly anti-Robin during his initiation into the Indian
> ODI team.

> Then, as he turned in a few sterling performances, he became Robin's
> biggest fan.

> Next thing, a couple of failures, and he calls, not merely for his
> dropping from the team, but for the absolute END to his entire CAREER.

> Now that Robin Singh has taken 5 wickets, will the chameleon change
> colours once again?

i was never a big fan of robin and never will be.  although i am glad to
see him perform.  for a long time i was against including him in the
team but after a long time he began to perform.  based on that i said it
is ok to keep him in the team but still i was never his fan and never
will be.  

problems with robin:

1.  will play 5 dots balls and then will try to hit the sixth one out of
the ground......and get out.  or try to hit the first one out of the
ground and get out.

2.  a lot has been heard about his fielding but i have still to hear/see
a run out from him or a blinder catch like jadeja has done so many
times.

3.  his average still is probably in 20s (can someone confirm this?) and
i am sure what is his strike rate.

plus points:

1.  keeps his cool at the tense situations
2.  can bowl well in ODIs

but overall he will never be in my ODI team.

rg

 
 
 

Rakesh Gupta - For Or Against Robin?

Post by Rakesh Gupt » Wed, 24 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Quote:



here is the comparision between robin singh and jadeja-

robin - 39 matches, avg. ~25, one hundred and only one fifty
        27 wickets at 4.82 average

jadeja - 110 matches, avg. 33.4, two hundred and SIX*** fifties, one  
record parternship with azhar
        14 wickets at 5.23 avg.

certainly jadeja's batting average is much better than robin's.  the
problem is that jadeja has not been utilized fully.  if he had been
utilized as a bowler also then robin probably was not needed.  also, i
think, jadeja is a much better fielder than robin and jadeja is a good
team person who can motivate the team whereas robin seems to be a quite
person.  

rg

 
 
 

Rakesh Gupta - For Or Against Robin?

Post by Slowhan » Wed, 24 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> certainly jadeja's batting average is much better than robin's.  the
> problem is that jadeja has not been utilized fully.  if he had been
> utilized as a bowler also then robin probably was not needed.  also, i
> think, jadeja is a much better fielder than robin and jadeja is a good
> team person who can motivate the team whereas robin seems to be a quite
> person.

> rg

There's a reason why Jadeja's bowling has not been utilized. Its pretty
simple. His bowling is CRAP. I think everyone was hoping he'd be the
next Jimmy Amarnath, but boy were they wrong.
Your assertion about Jadeja's fielding being much better suggests to
me that you've never seen Robin fielding.
I like both of them in the ODI team because they both play fairly
sensible, gutsy cricket, but I don't think there's much to choose
between them, really.

Slowhand

 
 
 

Rakesh Gupta - For Or Against Robin?

Post by j sreedh » Thu, 25 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>here is the comparision between robin singh and jadeja-
>robin - 39 matches, avg. ~25, one hundred and only one fifty
>    27 wickets at 4.82 average
>jadeja - 110 matches, avg. 33.4, two hundred and SIX*** fifties, one      
>record parternship with azhar
>    14 wickets at 5.23 avg.

 I think both their averages quoted above are off by a factor of 10.

Anyway, a comparison of their strike rates (avg. runs per 100 balls faced)
is revealing, and Robin Singh's is much better.

 Bottom line is that both are `bits and pieces' cricketers, and should
be utilized as such. There is no use pretending that either of them is
a specialist batsman (or bowler).

 Ciao,
Sreedhar

 
 
 

Rakesh Gupta - For Or Against Robin?

Post by Siddhartha Duttagup » Thu, 25 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>>here is the comparision between robin singh and jadeja-

I redid the bowling figures after Guwahati and suddenly Robin looks
like a much better bowler, wonder why?;)))
Seriously Robin's average seems to be as good as it gets for a
substitute bowler.Thus given that we always need help more in bowling
I'd prefer Robin. Also if Jadeja is in there is always danger that he
will open;))
regards, siddhartha

................................
Ajay Jadeja
TESTS (including 09/08/1997)
                M    I     Runs     Ave    100  50
Batting    11   16   473       31.53      -   4          
Bowling  None  

ONE-DAY INTERNATIONALS (including 16/12/1997)
                  M      I     Runs       Ave   100  50  
Batting     111   99    2839      33.01    2   16  
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^
                    O         R    W    Ave  Best   5w  SR*   Econ
Bowling    197.2   1033  14  73.78  2-16   -    84.5   5.23
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

...........................................
Robin Singh
ONE-DAY INTERNATIONALS (including 14/12/1997)
                  M    I    Runs       Ave 100  50  
Batting      40   34  720        24.82   1     1
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
                O         R     W    Ave   Best   5w  SR*   Econ
Bowling 217.4   1048  32  32.75  5-22    1   47.2  4.82
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Couldn't calculate the new strike rate after Guwahati as I don't know
what ingredients go into it;))
I suspect its not that much changed.

 
 
 

Rakesh Gupta - For Or Against Robin?

Post by Karthik Vaidyanath » Fri, 26 Dec 1997 04:00:00

I hate to go over this again, but...
* Robin has the highest ODI strike rate among all active ODI players. (Compare his 87.X to Ajay's low 60's). So when you say Robin defends too many balls, imagine what other Indian ODI batsmen do. If you ask me, I don't care how Robin gets his runs. 87 % is a darned good S/R and I will take it for what it's worth. Also, don't you think 63 S/R is a tad low for a guy who is touted as India's best "pinch-hitter"?
* In high-scoring ODI's S/R is as valuable as the average. At #4 and #5, you are not expected to score 50's and 100's. Your role is to get those 20's and 30's in quick fashion. I think Robin does this as good as Ajay, if not better.
* Robin Singh has perfomed in more potential match-winning or match saving situations than our hero of the WC QF. Robin has had some part to play in all of the  whard to come-by wins we've had. The Zimbabwe tie, Karachi win, the Guwahati game etc..
* Rounder Robin happens to be one of the most economical fifth ODI bowlers right now. Ganguly is ok when seaming conditions exist.. Jadeja can never fill Robin's bowling slot. The few times he's been given a bowl, he's got the stick.
* Robin Singh might not be as flashy or spectacular as Jadeja is, but he is a safe and consistent fielder. Jadeja's fielding can be inconsistent too ( Ind-WI at Sharjah ). Bottomline: You are not a bad fielder if blinders don't come your way or if you can stop a ball by your quickness rather than show off your diving ability.

I agree that AJ motivates the rest of the team and youth is on his side. But until we find a good fill-in all-rounder ( I hope Kanitkar fulfills his promise), we have to cede these "bits-and-pices" cricketers a place.
--
Karthik