ICC: Ireland in, Scotland not

ICC: Ireland in, Scotland not

Post by K Frankl » Fri, 09 Jul 1993 22:04:00


At the meeting of the ICC yesterday, Irland were accepted as an
associate member, but Scotland were rejected.  I have not seen any
details about this so I have no idea why they did not accept Scotland's
application. This means that Ireland can play in the qualify8ing rounds
of the world cup. It also means (I believe) that McCague would no longer be
elligible to play for England, and would have to play for Ireland as the
Cricket team (like the rugby team) is an All-Ireland side !

Keith

 
 
 

ICC: Ireland in, Scotland not

Post by oduib.. » Sat, 10 Jul 1993 01:14:30


Quote:
>At the meeting of the ICC yesterday, Irland were accepted as an
>associate member, but Scotland were rejected.  I have not seen any
>details about this so I have no idea why they did not accept Scotland's
>application. This means that Ireland can play in the qualify8ing rounds
>of the world cup. It also means (I believe) that McCague would no longer be
>elligible to play for England, and would have to play for Ireland as the
>Cricket team (like the rugby team) is an All-Ireland side !

Interesting that, but speaking of which, how did they do in this year's Nat West
trophy ( It is the Nat West that they play in). Anyone know? Post a scorecard?

Thanx in Advanx,

LOD (SonicYouthophile).

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ICC: Ireland in, Scotland not

Post by g9192.. » Sat, 10 Jul 1993 05:03:41

K Franklin writes
?>At the meeting of the ICC yesterday, Irland were accepted as an
?>associate member, but Scotland were rejected.  I have not seen any
?>details about this so I have no idea why they did not accept Scotland's
?>application. This means that Ireland can play in the qualify8ing rounds
?>of the world cup. It also means (I believe) that McCague would no longer be
?>elligible to play for England, and would have to play for Ireland as the
?>Cricket team (like the rugby team) is an All-Ireland side !
?>
?>Keith

Does Ireland mean the Irish republic, or Northern Ireland?  If the former, then  
McCague can still play for England - he was born in Larne, N Ireland.  In any  
case, since he has already played a test for England, he would actually have to  
qualify for Ireland, if he were to play for them.

Incidentally, is Wales a part of England (as far as Cricket goes?  Yes, I know  
about Glamorgan!)  or does it have its own team?  If the latter, how do  
Glamrgan players play for England?
--
Jiminy Cricket

 
 
 

ICC: Ireland in, Scotland not

Post by K Frankl » Sat, 10 Jul 1993 06:53:41

Quote:

>Interesting that, but speaking of which, how did they do in this year's Nat West
>trophy ( It is the Nat West that they play in). Anyone know? Post a scorecard?

Scotland lost in the first round of the Benson and Hedges cup, and the
first round of the Nat West. The scores were posted a while ago (I can't
remember who beat us though.)

Keith

 
 
 

ICC: Ireland in, Scotland not

Post by K Frankl » Sat, 10 Jul 1993 07:53:31

Quote:

>K Franklin writes
>?>The cricket team (like the rugby team) is an All-Ireland side !

                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^    

Quote:
>Does Ireland mean the Irish republic, or Northern Ireland?

As I said in my original post, the cricket team encompasses N.Ire and
the Republic (as does the rugby team).

Quote:
>Incidentally, is Wales a part of England (as far as Cricket goes?

Yes, and I beleive there is a bit of discontent there at the moment
regarding the nonselection of the likes of Hugh Morris and Steve Watkin
considering their county form.

Yours informatively (sp?)

Keith

 
 
 

ICC: Ireland in, Scotland not

Post by A.M.T. Be » Sat, 10 Jul 1993 18:02:02


Quote:

>>At the meeting of the ICC yesterday, Irland were accepted as an
>>associate member, but Scotland were rejected.  I have not seen any
>>details about this so I have no idea why they did not accept Scotland's
>>application. This means that Ireland can play in the qualify8ing rounds
>>of the world cup. It also means (I believe) that McCague would no longer be
>>elligible to play for England, and would have to play for Ireland as the
>>Cricket team (like the rugby team) is an All-Ireland side !

(stuff deleted)

I think that Scotland were rejected from the ICC as "England" isn't a member of the
ICC, its the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland which is a full
member of the ICC. That's why players like Tony Lewis and Mike Denness were "England"
captains even though they are Welsh and Scottish. As McCague was born in the UK
he is "England" qualified. I think that the Irish Republic will offer citizenship
to anyone from Northern Ireland so McCague could play for Ireland.

tony bell                  ! keep on running   live long and prosper
serc daresbury laboratory  ! "back off man, i'm a scientist"

 
 
 

ICC: Ireland in, Scotland not

Post by Don Hugh » Sat, 10 Jul 1993 21:06:51


Quote:
>At the meeting of the ICC yesterday, Irland were accepted as an
>associate member, but Scotland were rejected.  I have not seen any
>details about this so I have no idea why they did not accept Scotland's
>application. This means that Ireland can play in the qualify8ing rounds
>of the world cup. It also means (I believe) that McCague would no longer be
>elligible to play for England, and would have to play for Ireland as the
>Cricket team (like the rugby team) is an All-Ireland side !

Sorry, but England gets to keep McCague. In this case, possession is 9/10ths
of the law, and since he's never played for Ireland (can't imagine why not, I
suppose it's because he's never actually been there) and has played for
England they get to keep him. It would be the same for any other British
Irish player who played for England (figure that one out!)

In fact, there are only two Irish qualified players in county cricket at the
moment. One is Justin Benson of Lecistershire, who has committed himself to
play for Ireland but can still play county cricket because he has an EC
passport. The other is Kevin Curran, the Zimbabwean with an Irish passport
who won't play for Ireland because he's qualifying for England. Sigh ...

 
 
 

ICC: Ireland in, Scotland not

Post by Colin D. C. Stee » Mon, 12 Jul 1993 06:02:24

Quote:

>I think that Scotland were rejected from the ICC as "England" isn't a member of the
>ICC, its the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland which is a full
>member of the ICC. That's why players like Tony Lewis and Mike Denness were "England"

The reason for Scotland not getting admitted in 1992 was explained as being that
the Scottish Cricket Union was affiliated to the Cricket Council which meant
that some of the revenue from Test Matches was distributed to the SCU. Since
then the SCU has resigned from the Cricket Council (with the main intention
of getting associate membership of ICC) but, it seems this move was uncuccessful.
Pedantically, the application (along with those of Nepal and Thailand) was
deferred for a year rather than rejected, but presumably the year in question
is a critical one as far as the next ICC trophy is concerned.

A reporter in a (Scottish) newspaper suggested that because several test nations
were in favour of the motion, many of the associate members must have been
against it. The reporter construed this as meaning that they considered
Scotland good enough to qualify and were protecting their own chances.
[The same argument could equally well be applied to Ireland, of course, but
they WERE elected]. At present it's hard to say where Scotland fit in as
we mainly seem to get matches against the tourists and the counties and lose
most of these.

CDC