The Lara catch - and the Mark Waugh cheating incident

The Lara catch - and the Mark Waugh cheating incident

Post by Rohan Chandr » Sat, 07 Dec 1996 04:00:00


I've just got through watching the highlights of all 5 days of the
Aus-WI Test.

3 observations which I must make.

1. The Lara catch
-----------------

on first viewing at full speed: I thought there was no edge! There
seemed no doubt to me that the catch was taken cleanly though.

after 3 replays: I was finally convinced about the edge, and I never
once saw any doubt about the catch being clean.

As for Lara's reaction in the dressing room, utterly and absolutely
pathetic - *whether or not* the catch was clean it was totally
unwarranted and unforgiveable. Certainly I have completely run out of
respect for Brian Lara - I don't care how well the man can bat.

2. Mark Waugh catching Ambrose
------------------------------

In the first innings, Mark Waugh at second slip claimed a catch when
Ambrose was facing. I don't know what to say about it, except that I
am now more cinvinced than ever that the man is a cheat. I was just
regaining respect for him after he did this in 1991-92 off Azhar. It's
hard to ignore a man who bats with such class. But he's dnoe it
again. The ball clearly bounced in front of him, he took it on the
bounce and went up for the catch perfectly enthusiastically. There's
NO way he didn't know about it. Utterly disgusting. And he has the
nerve to look innocent and bemused when the appeal is turned down. All
my respect for him (whatever was left) is history.

3. Mark Taylor catching Hooper
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Sensational!!! Stunning use of the head, feet and hands (twice). Never
seen anything quite like it I'm sure :-)

Rohan [ disgusted with Lara and Mark Waugh ]
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The Lara catch - and the Mark Waugh cheating incident

Post by Craig Pinkert » Tue, 10 Dec 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
>2. Mark Waugh catching Ambrose
>------------------------------

>In the first innings, Mark Waugh at second slip claimed a catch when
>Ambrose was facing. I don't know what to say about it, except that I
>am now more cinvinced than ever that the man is a cheat. I was just
>regaining respect for him after he did this in 1991-92 off Azhar. It's
>hard to ignore a man who bats with such class. But he's dnoe it
>again. The ball clearly bounced in front of him, he took it on the
>bounce and went up for the catch perfectly enthusiastically. There's
>NO way he didn't know about it. Utterly disgusting. And he has the
>nerve to look innocent and bemused when the appeal is turned down. All
>my respect for him (whatever was left) is history.

I've been playing cricket for a fews years now and for the last two
years have spent a lot of time fielding in slips. I can distinctly
remember two occasions, very similar in nature, where an apparent
catch has been taken in slips, and the keeper, slips, and gully have
disagreed on whether it was a fair catch or not. Both occasions the
ball appeared to have bounced in front of the fielder to me, but
appeared llikewise to others (In both cases the catcher of the ball
thought it had come through without bouncing) . Now I only play
weekend cricket where the bowlers could hardly be called express so
the ball certainly wasn't flying in our direction, yet total and
absolute disagreement over whether the ball bounced before a fielder
occured. The people I play with are not cheats.

I think you may be jumping to conclusions here a little about Mark
Waugh's character.

Why is there so much Aussie bashing going on in this news group. I get
the feeling a few people don't like Australia winning and like to find
excuses.

 
 
 

The Lara catch - and the Mark Waugh cheating incident

Post by Benjamin Morg » Tue, 10 Dec 1996 04:00:00

: I think you may be jumping to conclusions here a little about Mark
: Waugh's character.

I can remember his brother doing it when Matthew Maynard was facing for
England a few years ago as well. Maybe it runs in the family ;)

ben M

 
 
 

The Lara catch - and the Mark Waugh cheating incident

Post by Ronald E L » Tue, 10 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>: I think you may be jumping to conclusions here a little about Mark
>: Waugh's character.
>I can remember his brother doing it when Matthew Maynard was facing for
>England a few years ago as well. Maybe it runs in the family ;)
>ben M

there is no doubt that there was a lot of doubt to "the" catch
so we will never know otherwise though
as the umpires in any test match are always under a  lot of pressure.
we will see what lara does when he is not out lbw or caught under
questionable circumstances...
lara and chanderpaul with hooper and jimmy adams, etc will come through...
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The Lara catch - and the Mark Waugh cheating incident

Post by Sid Boyc » Wed, 11 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Quote:



> >2. Mark Waugh catching Ambrose
> >------------------------------

> >In the first innings, Mark Waugh at second slip claimed a catch when
> >Ambrose was facing. I don't know what to say about it, except that I
> >am now more cinvinced than ever that the man is a cheat. I was just
> >regaining respect for him after he did this in 1991-92 off Azhar. It's
> >hard to ignore a man who bats with such class. But he's dnoe it
> >again. The ball clearly bounced in front of him, he took it on the
> >bounce and went up for the catch perfectly enthusiastically. There's
> >NO way he didn't know about it. Utterly disgusting. And he has the
> >nerve to look innocent and bemused when the appeal is turned down. All
> >my respect for him (whatever was left) is history.

> I've been playing cricket for a fews years now and for the last two
> years have spent a lot of time fielding in slips. I can distinctly
> remember two occasions, very similar in nature, where an apparent
> catch has been taken in slips, and the keeper, slips, and gully have
> disagreed on whether it was a fair catch or not. Both occasions the
> ball appeared to have bounced in front of the fielder to me, but
> appeared llikewise to others (In both cases the catcher of the ball
> thought it had come through without bouncing) . Now I only play
> weekend cricket where the bowlers could hardly be called express so
> the ball certainly wasn't flying in our direction, yet total and
> absolute disagreement over whether the ball bounced before a fielder
> occured. The people I play with are not cheats.

> I think you may be jumping to conclusions here a little about Mark
> Waugh's character.

> Why is there so much Aussie bashing going on in this news group. I get
> the feeling a few people don't like Australia winning and like to find
> excuses.

        Belive me! You know when it hits the ground first. These guys have
acute senses and reaction times, if you catch it, you've seen it all the
way and you know if it has come to you on the full or has bounced into
your hands, also if it is part in your hand and part on the ground, no
mistaking here.
        Steve Waugh knew fully well he didn't take the catch he claimed against
Lara and every cricketer that has seen it knew he cheated. I'm sure any
of the professional cricketers I know and coaches will confirm this.
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The Lara catch - and the Mark Waugh cheating incident

Post by Skunkwork » Wed, 11 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Belive me! You know when it hits the ground first. These guys have
> acute senses and reaction times, if you catch it, you've seen it all the
> way and you know if it has come to you on the full or has bounced into
> your hands, also if it is part in your hand and part on the ground, no
> mistaking here.

In my experience there are times, occasionally, when you truly don't
know.
Have you ever taken a slips catch at 140km/h?

The Mark Waugh 'catch' which started this discussion was disclaimed by
Taylor in any event.  Mark Waugh wasn't sure if it was clean, Taylor
indicated he thought it wasn't.  The umpire gave it not out.  Where's
the
cheating?

Quote:
> Steve Waugh knew fully well he didn't take the catch he claimed against
> Lara

When I spoke with Steve about this last year he told me he honestly
thought
he had taken a clean catch.  After viewing the replays he apologised to
Lara.  In what capacity do you know Steve Waugh, and 'know' what he
knows?

Anyway, why try to cheat when every Test player knows that there are TV
cameras covering every Test match from every angle these days?  There's
simply no percentage in it.

Quote:
> and every cricketer that has seen it knew he cheated. I'm sure any
> of the professional cricketers I know and coaches will confirm this.

I'm a professional cricketer and I don't confirm this.

Skunkworks.

 
 
 

The Lara catch - and the Mark Waugh cheating incident

Post by Michael Cull » Wed, 11 Dec 1996 04:00:00


to have written:

[snips]

Quote:
>    Belive me! You know when it hits the ground first. These guys have
>acute senses and reaction times, if you catch it, you've seen it all the
>way and you know if it has come to you on the full or has bounced into
>your hands, also if it is part in your hand and part on the ground, no
>mistaking here.

Says who? I played cricket for quite a few years for and against some
*very* quick bowlers (not as fast as these guys but fast nonetheless) and
I'm convinced that sometimes you just can't know. It is a gross
generalisation to say that some other person or group "knows" something.
You *can't* know that :-)

Quote:
>    Steve Waugh knew fully well he didn't take the catch he claimed against
>Lara and every cricketer that has seen it knew he cheated. I'm sure any
>of the professional cricketers I know and coaches will confirm this.
>Regards

Steve has told you this, has he? Mistakes and cheating are a world apart.

cheers,

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The Lara catch - and the Mark Waugh cheating incident

Post by Marc » Wed, 11 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>         Belive me! You know when it hits the ground first. These guys have
> acute senses and reaction times, if you catch it, you've seen it all the
> way and you know if it has come to you on the full or has bounced into
> your hands, also if it is part in your hand and part on the ground, no
> mistaking here.

Absolutely wrong ! Have you ever fielded in the slips yourself ?
There are many occassions when you are unsure about whether the
ball bounced or not and you have to ask someone nearby.
When the ball is hit to you and is going to just carry
to you, orbounce in front of you, there is an instinctive
turning of the headaway from the ball. You don't see the ball
go in to your hands and are often unsure just how it got there.
I'd reckon Mark Waugh was genuinely unsure and Taylor told him
just what happened.

Quote:
> Steve Waugh knew fully well he didn't take the catch he claimed against
> Lara and every cricketer that has seen it knew he cheated.

I've got to disagree with this one as well. And as Steve Waugh
says in his book...he's yet to see a replay that confirms the ball
hit the ground. Me too....
 
 
 

The Lara catch - and the Mark Waugh cheating incident

Post by Sid Boyc » Wed, 11 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> > Belive me! You know when it hits the ground first. These guys have
> > acute senses and reaction times, if you catch it, you've seen it all the
> > way and you know if it has come to you on the full or has bounced into
> > your hands, also if it is part in your hand and part on the ground, no
> > mistaking here.

> In my experience there are times, occasionally, when you truly don't
> know.
> Have you ever taken a slips catch at 140km/h?

> The Mark Waugh 'catch' which started this discussion was disclaimed by
> Taylor in any event.  Mark Waugh wasn't sure if it was clean, Taylor
> indicated he thought it wasn't.  The umpire gave it not out.  Where's
> the
> cheating?

> > Steve Waugh knew fully well he didn't take the catch he claimed against
> > Lara

> When I spoke with Steve about this last year he told me he honestly
> thought
> he had taken a clean catch.  After viewing the replays he apologised to
> Lara.  In what capacity do you know Steve Waugh, and 'know' what he
> knows?

> Anyway, why try to cheat when every Test player knows that there are TV
> cameras covering every Test match from every angle these days?  There's
> simply no percentage in it.

> > and every cricketer that has seen it knew he cheated. I'm sure any
> > of the professional cricketers I know and coaches will confirm this.

> I'm a professional cricketer and I don't confirm this.

> Skunkworks.

        I'll ask the Pro's when I see them next week, some of them I've played
with and against and we've always known, someone in the close fielding
position will always see even at extreme pace. The problem is these days
there are people who will do anything to win, we've all seen Alex
Stewart going up big time when he knows full well it didn't hit the bat,
also having to be given out when the keeper has taken a catch almost to
the right of first slip, some players are like that, don't think it's a
team thing most times, though you should have seen Pakistan here this
year.
        The object is to set doubt in the umpire's mind by appealing, doing
victory dances and acting hurt at not being given the decision in the
hope he'll be forced to give a bogus one some time and it's a strategy
that pays off occasionally. Fishy business is cricket in the 1990's.
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