Eden the Unready II: The Blame Game

Eden the Unready II: The Blame Game

Post by alve » Sun, 30 Jan 2011 06:35:40


Source:
http://SportToday.org/

World Cup 2011

BCCI backs Bengal board's plea for reconsideration on Eden Gardens
Osman Samiuddin and Nagraj Gollapudi
January 28, 2011

Work continued at Eden Gardens even after the extended January 25 deadline
by which it was supposed to have been ready AFP

The BCCI has given its backing to the Cricket Association of Bengal's (CAB)
request to the ICC to reconsider the decision to move the India-England
Group B match from Eden Gardens. Shashank Manohar, the BCCI president, told
ESPNcricinfo that the board had sent a letter to the ICC, as the CAB had
done on Thursday, asking for the ICC to think again about the decision.

On Thursday the ICC ruled out Kolkata as the host venue for the February 27
clash, after the tournament's inspection committee found the ground far
from ready after a visit on January 25. Late on Thursday, Jagmohan Dalmiya,
the CAB president, pleaded in a letter addressed to the ICC chief executive
Haroon Lorgat to be given a further extension of ten days. The letter was
forwarded to the ICC by the BCCI.

Manohar said he had personally attached another letter to Lorgat, also
asking the ICC to reconsider yesterday's decision. "Mr Dalmiya sent that
letter to me [on Thursday]. I then sent a forwarding letter [to Haroon
Lorgat, ICC chief executive] saying that if Mr Dalmiya is willing to hand
over the stadium match-ready to the ICC by February 7, the ICC should
consider the request favourably," Manohar said

What the ICC's response is likely to be is unclear but the prospects,
according to some, are not bright. Instead it is understood that the ICC
has asked the BCCI to finalise an alternate venue by the morning of January
31. Manohar, who said on Thursday that organising the World Cup was the
ICC's responsibility, said, however, that he was in no hurry and would wait
for the ICC to revert to him first.

"The ball is now in the ICC's court. They are the ones who need to take a
decision. I don't know what will happen because it is finally ICC's call,"
he said. Lorgat was unavailable for comment and the ICC has made no further
statement since the press release was issued on Thursday.

The day after the decision saw Dalmiya involved in hectic discussions with
Manohar throughout. The Bengal board head said he had been talking to
Manohar but was unwilling to go into details of the discussions. Manohar
said the talks were mostly focused on getting an idea of how much work at
the ground was completed and to get an assurance that it would be ready
before he sent the letter to the ICC. "Finally it is my member association
[CAB)] and he [Dalmiya] assured me that the stadium would be ready by
February 7," Manohar said.

But no further clarity emerged on the reasons why the CAB failed to get the
venue up to the mark. "I did not ask him about why the CAB had not met the
deadlines," Manohar said. "This is not the time to ask all these questions
because it is not going to take us anywhere."

According to the Host Agreement signed by the three co-hosts India,
Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, all 13 venues should have been completed three
months prior to the event, by November 19, 2010. The last day of the year
was the deadline by which the grounds should have been ready to host
matches. Kolkata was one of five venues, along with Mumbai's ***hede
Stadium, and Hambantota and Pallekele, two new Sri Lankan venues, that
missed out on this deadline. But only Kolkata failed to get the nod from
the six-member ICC inspection committee, which was shocked the Eden Gardens
was not ready despite getting an extended deadline that expired on January
25.

The final decision to take the first fixture away was made by the ICC. On
Wednesday, Sharad Pawar, the ICC president, was updated on the situation
via a teleconference which included members of the inspection committee and
others such as Lorgat and Ratnakar Shetty, head of the central organising
committee of the World Cup. It is understood that Pawar then told them to
do what needs to be done, after which the decision was taken.

The blame for the fiasco is yet to settle definitively on any particular
body, with all involved trying to avoid it. Manohar has already said that
the BCCI would not take any responsibility.

Questions will no doubt be asked of the ICC's role in not taking a decision
earlier, with particular reference to the inspection committee report in
December which first pointed out alarming concerns in the progress of the
stadium work. In a letter on December 14 addressed to tournament director
India Suru Nayak, the ICC expressed serious concerns over the delay in the
completion of work at the ***hede Stadium and Eden Gardens. In its final
venue assessment summary, the ICC's team expressed strong and unacceptable
concerns about the latter's preparation, putting a red mark - to denote
serious concern - against the following aspects: overall presentation of
venue and construction, media facilities, broadcast (TV specific),
broadcast radio, broadcast facilities, tickets, hospitality, even
presentation (replay screen, sportainment), venue public facilities, and
security planning.

It is understood, however, that the inspection team was satisfied by
promises of the CAB, then, that the situation would be fixed by the time
they returned in January, even though one official who was part of that
visit said the state of the stadium was "pathetic." The inspection
committee - which has a number of relevant experts on it - was content that
these issues could be resolved in 6 weeks (between the December and January
inspections). It was in the first ten days of January, however, that it
became apparent there was a huge problem about to emerge.

A source familiar with the negotiations revealed how little progress had
been made since December. "All the things the ICC team had asked the CAB to
attend to in December were never accomplished. The team found the venue to
be in the same state as they had seen on their last visit (in December),"
he said.

Osman Samiuddin is Pakistan editor of ESPNcricinfo; Nagraj Gollapudi is an
assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo
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Eden the Unready II: The Blame Game

Post by JPD » Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:10:29


Quote:
> BCCI backs Bengal board's plea for reconsideration on Eden Gardens
> Osman Samiuddin and Nagraj Gollapudi
> January 28, 2011

So let me see if I've got this straight ...

Quote:
> The BCCI has given its backing to the Cricket Association of Bengal's (CAB)
> request to the ICC to reconsider the decision

No surprises there, except that it is India and only two levels of
bureaucracy are involved.  Surely 9 or 10 other officials and
organisations have fingers in the pie too?

Quote:
> On Thursday the ICC ruled out Kolkata as the host venue for the February 27
> clash, after the tournament's inspection committee found the ground far
> from ready after a visit on January 25.

And absolutely no surprises there.  The ICC, to its rare credit,
observed the pig's breakfast that was the Commonwealth Games and, in a
departure, made the sensible decision to set early deadlines and
decent standards.

Quote:
> Late on Thursday, Jagmohan Dalmiya,
> the CAB president, pleaded in a letter addressed to the ICC chief executive
> Haroon Lorgat to be given a further extension of ten days.

Would that make any ***ing difference?  They've already had over
three weeks from the date at which the venue was supposed to be ready.

"According to the Host Agreement signed by the three co-hosts India,
Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, all 13 venues should have been completed
three months prior to the event, by November 19, 2010. The last day of
the year was the deadline by which the grounds should have been ready
to host matches."

I don't see any part of that which is open to doubt or
interpretation.

Quote:
>  it is understood that the ICC
> has asked the BCCI to finalise an alternate venue by the morning of January
> 31. Manohar, who said on Thursday that organising the World Cup was the
> ICC's responsibility, said, however, that he was in no hurry and would wait
> for the ICC to revert to him first.

I beg your pardon?  The ICC has said to BCCI, name the alternate venue
by Monday.  Does Manohar not understand the question?  He is going to
wait for ICC to "revert to him first", whatever that means.

Quote:
> "The ball is now in the ICC's court. They are the ones who need to take a
> decision. I don't know what will happen because it is finally ICC's call,"

Hey,***head, ICC has MADE ITS CALL!

Quote:
> A source familiar with the negotiations revealed how little progress had
> been made since December. "All the things the ICC team had asked the CAB to
> attend to in December were never accomplished. The team found the venue to
> be in the same state as they had seen on their last visit (in December),"

So, expecting any change or progress in the next week (the Indians
think that February 7th is a date of which the ICC should take note
for some reason) would be nothing more than a fool's errand.  BCCI and
CAB must accept that they are not in charge here - indeed Manohar has
said outright that the World Cup was the ICC's responsibility - so
they should just swallow their insolence and obstinance and do as has
been asked of them.  Which is to nominate an alternate venue by
Monday.

JPD

 
 
 

Eden the Unready II: The Blame Game

Post by krque » Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:00:47

Oh! Calcutta!
East of Eden (wish the game went that way).

Silliness aside, I did, however, voiced some concerns here last month,
as I had felt Eden as well as Dhaka were falling behind with the
stadia renovations.

"The ICC inspection teams have been dispatched and were visiting the
venues like the Eden Garden in Calcutta yesterday. From the news
footage, it appeared a lot of work is needed with only a few months
left. "

"...I expect ICC to take a harsher stance against
any venue that is not adequately outfitted to host an international
match. I sincerely hope that ICC had given all participating nations
ample support (and cautions against corruptions) months ahead. I don't
think logistically Bangladesh is ready now with crowd control, traffic
and transportation, hotels, security (there are daily power outages)
etc. I say strip the venues from Bangladesh if they are not ready and
hand them over to India or SL before it's too late, provided that they
are willing to pick up the slack."

https://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_thread/threa...

aA...


 
 
 

Eden the Unready II: The Blame Game

Post by alve » Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:04:04

Quote:


>> BCCI backs Bengal board's plea for reconsideration on Eden Gardens
>> Osman Samiuddin and Nagraj Gollapudi
>> January 28, 2011

> So let me see if I've got this straight ...

>> The BCCI has given its backing to the Cricket Association of Bengal's (CAB)
>> request to the ICC to reconsider the decision

> No surprises there, except that it is India and only two levels of
> bureaucracy are involved.  Surely 9 or 10 other officials and
> organisations have fingers in the pie too?

>> On Thursday the ICC ruled out Kolkata as the host venue for the February 27
>> clash, after the tournament's inspection committee found the ground far
>> from ready after a visit on January 25.

> And absolutely no surprises there.  The ICC, to its rare credit,
> observed the pig's breakfast that was the Commonwealth Games and, in a
> departure, made the sensible decision to set early deadlines and
> decent standards.

>> Late on Thursday, Jagmohan Dalmiya,
>> the CAB president, pleaded in a letter addressed to the ICC chief executive
>> Haroon Lorgat to be given a further extension of ten days.

> Would that make any ***ing difference?  They've already had over
> three weeks from the date at which the venue was supposed to be ready.

> "According to the Host Agreement signed by the three co-hosts India,
> Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, all 13 venues should have been completed
> three months prior to the event, by November 19, 2010. The last day of
> the year was the deadline by which the grounds should have been ready
> to host matches."

> I don't see any part of that which is open to doubt or
> interpretation.

>>  it is understood that the ICC
>> has asked the BCCI to finalise an alternate venue by the morning of January
>> 31. Manohar, who said on Thursday that organising the World Cup was the
>> ICC's responsibility, said, however, that he was in no hurry and would wait
>> for the ICC to revert to him first.

> I beg your pardon?  The ICC has said to BCCI, name the alternate venue
> by Monday.  Does Manohar not understand the question?  He is going to
> wait for ICC to "revert to him first", whatever that means.

>> "The ball is now in the ICC's court. They are the ones who need to take a
>> decision. I don't know what will happen because it is finally ICC's call,"

> Hey,***head, ICC has MADE ITS CALL!

>> A source familiar with the negotiations revealed how little progress had
>> been made since December. "All the things the ICC team had asked the CAB to
>> attend to in December were never accomplished. The team found the venue to
>> be in the same state as they had seen on their last visit (in December),"

> So, expecting any change or progress in the next week (the Indians
> think that February 7th is a date of which the ICC should take note
> for some reason) would be nothing more than a fool's errand.  BCCI and
> CAB must accept that they are not in charge here - indeed Manohar has
> said outright that the World Cup was the ICC's responsibility - so
> they should just swallow their insolence and obstinance and do as has
> been asked of them.  Which is to nominate an alternate venue by
> Monday.

> JPD

Yairssss. Fair comment.

Atm it's like a race where some of the jockeys have been paid not to win.
There's much jockeying to get to the rear of the pack.

And it's another example of The Whingdian. Agree to putting an umpire in
place, but then throw a tanty when you don't like that umpire's decision.  

alvey
In Briz, hoping that when they say "letter" that they really mean "email".

 
 
 

Eden the Unready II: The Blame Game

Post by Don speaks the trut » Mon, 31 Jan 2011 05:29:31


Quote:


> >> BCCI backs Bengal board's plea for reconsideration on Eden Gardens
> >> Osman Samiuddin and Nagraj Gollapudi
> >> January 28, 2011

> > So let me see if I've got this straight ...

> >> The BCCI has given its backing to the Cricket Association of Bengal's (CAB)
> >> request to the ICC to reconsider the decision

> > No surprises there, except that it is India and only two levels of
> > bureaucracy are involved. ?Surely 9 or 10 other officials and
> > organisations have fingers in the pie too?

> >> On Thursday the ICC ruled out Kolkata as the host venue for the February 27
> >> clash, after the tournament's inspection committee found the ground far
> >> from ready after a visit on January 25.

> > And absolutely no surprises there. ?The ICC, to its rare credit,
> > observed the pig's breakfast that was the Commonwealth Games and, in a
> > departure, made the sensible decision to set early deadlines and
> > decent standards.

> >> Late on Thursday, Jagmohan Dalmiya,
> >> the CAB president, pleaded in a letter addressed to the ICC chief executive
> >> Haroon Lorgat to be given a further extension of ten days.

> > Would that make any ***ing difference? ?They've already had over
> > three weeks from the date at which the venue was supposed to be ready.

> > "According to the Host Agreement signed by the three co-hosts India,
> > Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, all 13 venues should have been completed
> > three months prior to the event, by November 19, 2010. The last day of
> > the year was the deadline by which the grounds should have been ready
> > to host matches."

> > I don't see any part of that which is open to doubt or
> > interpretation.

> >> ?it is understood that the ICC
> >> has asked the BCCI to finalise an alternate venue by the morning of January
> >> 31. Manohar, who said on Thursday that organising the World Cup was the
> >> ICC's responsibility, said, however, that he was in no hurry and would wait
> >> for the ICC to revert to him first.

> > I beg your pardon? ?The ICC has said to BCCI, name the alternate venue
> > by Monday. ?Does Manohar not understand the question? ?He is going to
> > wait for ICC to "revert to him first", whatever that means.

> >> "The ball is now in the ICC's court. They are the ones who need to take a
> >> decision. I don't know what will happen because it is finally ICC's call,"

> > Hey,***head, ICC has MADE ITS CALL!

> >> A source familiar with the negotiations revealed how little progress had
> >> been made since December. "All the things the ICC team had asked the CAB to
> >> attend to in December were never accomplished. The team found the venue to
> >> be in the same state as they had seen on their last visit (in December),"

> > So, expecting any change or progress in the next week (the Indians
> > think that February 7th is a date of which the ICC should take note
> > for some reason) would be nothing more than a fool's errand. ?BCCI and
> > CAB must accept that they are not in charge here - indeed Manohar has
> > said outright that the World Cup was the ICC's responsibility - so
> > they should just swallow their insolence and obstinance and do as has
> > been asked of them. ?Which is to nominate an alternate venue by
> > Monday.

> > JPD

> Yairssss. Fair comment.

> Atm it's like a race where some of the jockeys have been paid not to win.
> There's much jockeying to get to the rear of the pack.

> And it's another example of The Whingdian. Agree to putting an umpire in
> place, but then throw a tanty when you don't like that umpire's decision. ?

> alvey
> In Briz, hoping that when they say "letter" that they really mean "email".- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

alvey how many families you helped in the floods of briz? Or were you
too busy
writing about whingdia and ball tamperer here?

Don

 
 
 

Eden the Unready II: The Blame Game

Post by JPD » Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:34:02



Quote:



> > >> BCCI backs Bengal board's plea for reconsideration on Eden Gardens
> > >> Osman Samiuddin and Nagraj Gollapudi
> > >> January 28, 2011

> > > So let me see if I've got this straight ...

> > >> The BCCI has given its backing to the Cricket Association of Bengal's (CAB)
> > >> request to the ICC to reconsider the decision

> > > No surprises there, except that it is India and only two levels of
> > > bureaucracy are involved. ?Surely 9 or 10 other officials and
> > > organisations have fingers in the pie too?

> > >> On Thursday the ICC ruled out Kolkata as the host venue for the February 27
> > >> clash, after the tournament's inspection committee found the ground far
> > >> from ready after a visit on January 25.

> > > And absolutely no surprises there. ?The ICC, to its rare credit,
> > > observed the pig's breakfast that was the Commonwealth Games and, in a
> > > departure, made the sensible decision to set early deadlines and
> > > decent standards.

> > >> Late on Thursday, Jagmohan Dalmiya,
> > >> the CAB president, pleaded in a letter addressed to the ICC chief executive
> > >> Haroon Lorgat to be given a further extension of ten days.

> > > Would that make any ***ing difference? ?They've already had over
> > > three weeks from the date at which the venue was supposed to be ready.

> > > "According to the Host Agreement signed by the three co-hosts India,
> > > Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, all 13 venues should have been completed
> > > three months prior to the event, by November 19, 2010. The last day of
> > > the year was the deadline by which the grounds should have been ready
> > > to host matches."

> > > I don't see any part of that which is open to doubt or
> > > interpretation.

> > >> ?it is understood that the ICC
> > >> has asked the BCCI to finalise an alternate venue by the morning of January
> > >> 31. Manohar, who said on Thursday that organising the World Cup was the
> > >> ICC's responsibility, said, however, that he was in no hurry and would wait
> > >> for the ICC to revert to him first.

> > > I beg your pardon? ?The ICC has said to BCCI, name the alternate venue
> > > by Monday. ?Does Manohar not understand the question? ?He is going to
> > > wait for ICC to "revert to him first", whatever that means.

> > >> "The ball is now in the ICC's court. They are the ones who need to take a
> > >> decision. I don't know what will happen because it is finally ICC's call,"

> > > Hey,***head, ICC has MADE ITS CALL!

> > >> A source familiar with the negotiations revealed how little progress had
> > >> been made since December. "All the things the ICC team had asked the CAB to
> > >> attend to in December were never accomplished. The team found the venue to
> > >> be in the same state as they had seen on their last visit (in December),"

> > > So, expecting any change or progress in the next week (the Indians
> > > think that February 7th is a date of which the ICC should take note
> > > for some reason) would be nothing more than a fool's errand. ?BCCI and
> > > CAB must accept that they are not in charge here - indeed Manohar has
> > > said outright that the World Cup was the ICC's responsibility - so
> > > they should just swallow their insolence and obstinance and do as has
> > > been asked of them. ?Which is to nominate an alternate venue by
> > > Monday.

> > > JPD

> > Yairssss. Fair comment.

> > Atm it's like a race where some of the jockeys have been paid not to win.
> > There's much jockeying to get to the rear of the pack.

> > And it's another example of The Whingdian. Agree to putting an umpire in
> > place, but then throw a tanty when you don't like that umpire's decision. ?

> > alvey
> > In Briz, hoping that when they say "letter" that they really mean "email".- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> alvey how many families you helped in the floods of briz? Or were you
> too busy
> writing about whingdia and ball tamperer here?

There's plenty of time in the day for philanthropy AND staying a***
of the performance failures of people being paid six figures for their
work.

JPD