>> > > > >I've played for a long time with an incorrect forearm and clubface
>> > rotation
>> > > > >on the backswing. I get to a position at the top where the clubface
>> > points
>> > > > >to the sky. I'm basically playing with a shut clubface. The
>> > feels
>> > > > >'strong', yet it is weak. This is beacuse if I do a proper
>> > > > >rotation, I'll smother the ball. My only chance is to do a
>> > on
>> > > > >the downswing and play closed - to - open through impact. The net
>> > result is
>> > > > >weak. My other option is to try to get down with virtually no
>> > > > >rotation and try and really clear my lower body to prevent the
>> > from
>> > > > >closing any further. I believe that Duval plays this way.
>> > > > You need to do what most books advise, practice the takeaway from
>> > > > setup to horizontal over and over again--a full length mirror is
>> > > > very helpful in this. When you arrive at horizontal, your arms
>> > > > should be extended fully, and your shoulders are fully turned, you
>> > > > the ball off your right [sic?] shoulder. Your right upper arm
>> > > > touching your rib cage (meaning your turned your torso and not just
>> > > > your arms), and the club toe should be pointing up--and the club
>> > > > aligned with the target line.
>> > > I agree with most of this, except for the toe pointing up. The toe
>> > > not point straight up at this point in a square-to-square swing.
>> > > did it, but he was fanning the club open. That was part of his
>> > > to eliminate hooks. Most beginners, or even people who have been
>> > > playing a long time with a "natural fade" do not need to do this.
>> > > > If the toe is closed, simply fix
>> > > > it--make sure it points up.
>> > > No. Pointing up is NOT square, it is open.
>> > > > See Ben Hogan's toe-up to toe-up drill in his "5-Lessons" book.
>> > > Duh. Look at the title of this thread.
>> > > See also Leadbetter "The Fundamentals of Hogan", Hank Haney,
>> > > Rick Smith, and countless others.
>> > Unfortunately in my estimation, the emphasis on this drill seems to me
>> > "off the mark" in that worry about where the toe is is NOT its essence:
>> > release MOTION OF GOING FROM 90 DEGREES with the left FOREARM to
>> > with the attendant natural rollover OF the arms is its essence.
>> > Mid - flight positions need no analysis any more than knowing what your
>> > right earlobe is doing halfway down. It takes care of itself.
>> > If I grip the club with the grip position (strength) that is needed for
>> > square impact based on MY BODY and its empirically proven amount of
>> > rotation back to the ball and then swing without doing things untoward
>> > during the swing, the "toe up or down or around or anything else" is
>> > IRRELEVANT because it takes care of itself.
>> I disagree. There are many ways to swing, and not all of them
>> equal. Some ways are better than others. If you leave it to chance,
>> chances are you end up with one of those "other" ways.
>> I agree that, when you are PLAYING golf, you should not try to
>> swing by going, step by step, through a sequence of positions.
>> Not even Jim McLean advocates doing that (contrary to your lies
>> about him). However, the positions that you go through DURING
>> the swing ARE important, and in particular, what you do early
>> in the swing greatly affects what happens later.
>> Otherwise, why do video analysis? You must believe in video
>> analysis, don't you George? You offer it on your web site.
>> You say the release is the sole focus of this drill. I agree that
>> it is ONE of the points of the drill, but would argue that
>> it is not the sole focus or benefit of this drill, since
>> not much wrist*** is involved The L to L
>> drill is much better for teaching release.
>> Swing plane is another, possibly more important point of
>> this drill. If you execute this drill correctly, you are
>> swinging on-plane. One-piece takeaway, turn your shoulders,
>> left arm straight (but right arm bends, unlike Larry's advice)
>> and when you get to the point where the shaft is horizontal,
>> if the shaft is not parallel to the target line you are off-plane.
>> You can also be off-plane even if the club is horizontal and
>> parallel, but that is less likely, and can be seen easily on video
>> or working in front of a mirror with tape marking the swing plane.
>> If you repeatedly practice this drill (correctly), you go a long way
>> towards grooving an on-plane swing.
>> The loose cannon, though, is the clubface. If you
>> repeatedly practice this drill with the toe pointing up, you are
>> practicing fanning open the clubface, and will build that into
>> your swing. Chances are, at the top, you'll end up with the
>> toe pointing straight down. For anyone who slices or fades the
>> ball, I argue that's not good.
>> On the other hand, if you practice this same drill with the
>> clubface tilted over "looking back" more towards the ball,
>> you have a better chance of ending up at the top in the
>> "square" position with the leading edge of the clubface
>> parallel to the swing plane.
>> Again, this is just a drill, and not something you conciously
>> think about when you are making golf swings on the course. But
>> if you make thousands of these drill swings in practice, you'll
>> groove this feel and motion into your real swing, and be able
>> to take it to the course without thinking about it. So you are much
>> better off doing it correctly, rather than in some haphazard "oh,
>> it will just take care of itself" way. Practice makes permanent,
>> not perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect.
>> Another benefit is that the wrist*** works a bit differently
>> (better) when you keep the clubface square vs when you fan the
>> clubface open, but that is another subject.