Why the US Can't Win (the Ryder Cup)

Why the US Can't Win (the Ryder Cup)

Post by kathy.e.dobi » Mon, 09 Sep 1991 13:35:50


The September issue of Golf Digest had an interesting article
regarding the above 'subject'.  The gist of it was that we (US)
haven't had any really great golfers emerge in the last 20 years.
Geesz, I hadn't thought about it before, but it's (sad but) true.
The answer to this question was in the article, but I'll ask it
anyway just to pique the curiosity of those who haven't read it:

How many Americans under the age of 40 have won more than one
major championship?

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Why the US Can't Win (the Ryder Cup)

Post by Charles Boncel » Wed, 11 Sep 1991 00:04:45


Quote:

>How many Americans under the age of 40 have won more than one
>major championship?

Only three Americans younger than Tom Watson have won more than one
major, and each has two.  They are Fuzzy Zoeller, Curtis Strange, and
Payne Stewart.  (Fuzzy might be over 40 already.)



 
 
 

Why the US Can't Win (the Ryder Cup)

Post by kathy.e.dobi » Wed, 11 Sep 1991 04:20:49

Quote:


>>How many Americans under the age of 40 have won more than one
>>major championship?

>Only three Americans younger than Tom Watson have won more than one
>major, and each has two.  They are Fuzzy Zoeller, Curtis Strange, and
>Payne Stewart.  (Fuzzy might be over 40 already.)

        Yes, you win the big green golf ball...

        Curtis Strange  -       2 US Opens
        Payne Stewart   -       1 PGA, 1 US Open
        Fuzzy Zoeller   -       ?

        and thanks to Ronnie Smith (Duke U) for the names of the
        tournaments won...  Anyone know which majors Zoeller has
        one? (Ronnie?)

        Was anyone as shocked as I to find this out?  Only three players
        under 40 have won more than one major!!  What IS happening to
        our young folks!

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Why the US Can't Win (the Ryder Cup)

Post by Ronnie W. Smi » Wed, 11 Sep 1991 05:32:31


<<<
<<<How many Americans under the age of 40 have won more than one
<<<major championship?
<<
<<Only three Americans younger than Tom Watson have won more than one
<<major, and each has two.  They are Fuzzy Zoeller, Curtis Strange, and
<<Payne Stewart.  (Fuzzy might be over 40 already.)
<<
<    Yes, you win the big green golf ball...
<
<    Curtis Strange  -       2 US Opens
<    Payne Stewart   -       1 PGA, 1 US Open
<    Fuzzy Zoeller   -       ?
<
<
<    and thanks to Ronnie Smith (Duke U) for the names of the
<    tournaments won...  Anyone know which majors Zoeller has
<    one? (Ronnie?)
<

I believe Fuzzy won the Masters in the late 70's or early 80's in
the playoff caused due to the infamous Ed Sneed ***(bogeyed the
last three holes).  He also beat Greg Norman by 8 zillion shots in
a U.S. Open playoff, perhaps 1984.  That was the famous white towel
scene when Norman made about a 50 footer to save par on 18 which
Zoeller thought was for birdie to give Norman a one shot lead during
the last round.  Instead, they tied.

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Post by pefv.. » Wed, 11 Sep 1991 05:49:52

Quote:
>>>How many Americans under the age of 40 have won more than one
>>>major championship?

>    and thanks to Ronnie Smith (Duke U) for the names of the
>    tournaments won...  Anyone know which majors Zoeller has
>    one? (Ronnie?)

Zoeller has won the 1982 Masters and the 1984 U.S. Open.

He won the Masters in a playoff (do they *all* end at 11?) over Ed Sneed
and (I think) Tom Weiskopf.

The 1984 Open at Winged Foot was the one that featured the famous "towel"
incident.  Greg Norman, in his pre-major days (yeah, he only has one --
the 1986 British at Turnberry), was putting at 18 with Zoeller in the fairway.
Norman made his putt from the other side of the world and thinking it was for
birdie, Fuzzy waved his towel indicating surrender.  But it was for par and
they had a playoff on Monday with Zoeller winning.

Chris

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Cra » Wed, 11 Sep 1991 11:44:51

Quote:

>Zoeller has won the 1982 Masters and the 1984 U.S. Open.

Actually, it was the 1979 Masters, where, as others have mentioned, Ed
Sneed choked the big one.  Craig Stadler won the 1982 Masters in a
playoff over Dan Pohl.
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Post by Bob Jewe » Thu, 12 Sep 1991 00:05:49

Quote:
>     Was anyone as shocked as I to find this out?  Only three players
>     under 40 have won more than one major!!  What IS happening to
>     our young folks!

Well, no I wasn't shocked...just an interesting fact.  Seems as though
the pro tour has achieved some sort of parity among its players.  Why do
we have more parity today than, say, 20 years ago?  I'm not really sure
but some possibilities:

  - Better and more consistent equipment.  These guys/gals all have
    pretty decent swings and the better equipment (cavity back, perimeter
    weighted,...) just help to diminish their errors.

  - Larger and better organized junior golf organizations.  The more
    folks you have competing the more unlikely any one individual will
    dominate.

  - More prize money, allowing more pro golfers to devote more time to
    just their golf game.  These guys don't need a second job.

Bob

 
 
 

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Post by Dennis Filipows » Fri, 13 Sep 1991 00:00:59

  What about Mark calcavecia  and Ian Baker Finch both have
  won the British open. True Baker-Finch is not an American
  by birth but does he not claim to be an American tour player.

 
 
 

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Post by russell.e.brodfuhr » Tue, 17 Sep 1991 21:43:24

Quote:


> >Have we actually seen the winning scores on the Tour get gradually better
> >over the past 20 years?  It would be interesting to see a list of
> >winning scores showing this.  Anyone have this data handy?

> A better indicator would be the score that wins the Vardon trophy.  This
> has remained fairly consistent over the past 40 years or so.  It always
> seems to be around 69.
> Bob

Hate to have to disagree with you, Bob, but the 'scoring average' used in
the Vardon trophy calculation is adjusted somehow using the scores of the
entire field in relation to par, so this actually may be a lousy indicator.
That number tends to go to 69 and change the same way a Calloway adjusted
score zeros in on 73....

Russ

 
 
 

Why the US Can't Win (the Ryder Cup)

Post by Ian Wats » Fri, 13 Sep 1991 18:41:17

This discussion is a moot point with respect to the basenote title.  For the
Ryder Cup, it's not an individual with a good record you need, it's a team of
twelve who are playing well at the time of the competition.  Even that doesn't
equate to major wins.  Can anyone witht the stats total up how many majors
have been won by the players of each team.  It would be interesting to see.

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