Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by formerly known as 'cat arranger' » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:12:38


Maybe it should be the other way... that the current should
have to win by 1/2 point. It would make the cup circulate
more what I think is a good thing.
 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by Dave Bak » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:50:38

Quote:
>Subject: Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

>Date: 19/09/04 19:12 GMT Daylight Time

>Maybe it should be the other way... that the current should
>have to win by 1/2 point. It would make the cup circulate
>more what I think is a good thing.

You have to beat the other side to take a title away from them. I see no other
sensible way of doing it short of arranging the scoring system so that a draw
is no longer possible.

 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by formerly known as 'cat arranger' » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 04:16:40


: >Subject: Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?
: >From: "formerly known as 'cat arranger'"

: >Date: 19/09/04 19:12 GMT Daylight Time

: >
: >Maybe it should be the other way... that the current should
: >have to win by 1/2 point. It would make the cup circulate
: >more what I think is a good thing.
:
: You have to beat the other side to take a title away from them. I see no
other
: sensible way of doing it short of arranging the scoring system so that a
draw
: is no longer possible.

I don't see though why you have to beat the other guy to take it
away. It would be just as easy to say you have to beat the other
guy to retain the cup, especially since the holder has an advantage.

 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by Pat McLea » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:08:53



Quote:



> : >Subject: Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?
> : >From: "formerly known as 'cat arranger'"

> : >Date: 19/09/04 19:12 GMT Daylight Time

> : >
> : >Maybe it should be the other way... that the current should
> : >have to win by 1/2 point. It would make the cup circulate
> : >more what I think is a good thing.
> :
> : You have to beat the other side to take a title away from them. I see no
> other
> : sensible way of doing it short of arranging the scoring system so that a
> draw
> : is no longer possible.

> I don't see though why you have to beat the other guy to take it
> away. It would be just as easy to say you have to beat the other
> guy to retain the cup, especially since the holder has an advantage.

Eaxctly what advantage did being holders of the cup give the European team
have coming into this weekend ?  Some of the players had pictures from two
years ago with it?
 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by Ben Mille » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:50:36


Quote:
> You have to beat the other side to take a title away from them. I see no
> other
> sensible way of doing it short of arranging the scoring system so that a
> draw
> is no longer possible.

Hows about a tiebreaker?

Ben

 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by bill- » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:27:15

Quote:





>>: >Subject: Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?
>>: >From: "formerly known as 'cat arranger'"

>>: >Date: 19/09/04 19:12 GMT Daylight Time

>>: >
>>: >Maybe it should be the other way... that the current should
>>: >have to win by 1/2 point. It would make the cup circulate
>>: >more what I think is a good thing.
>>:
>>: You have to beat the other side to take a title away from them. I see no
>>other
>>: sensible way of doing it short of arranging the scoring system so that a
>>draw
>>: is no longer possible.

>>I don't see though why you have to beat the other guy to take it
>>away. It would be just as easy to say you have to beat the other
>>guy to retain the cup, especially since the holder has an advantage.

> Eaxctly what advantage did being holders of the cup give the European team
> have coming into this weekend ?  Some of the players had pictures from two
> years ago with it?

1/2 point advantage

--
bill-o

 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by formerly known as 'cat arranger' » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:33:52


:

wrote

: >


: > : >Subject: Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?
: > : >From: "formerly known as 'cat arranger'"

: > : >Date: 19/09/04 19:12 GMT Daylight Time

: > : >
: > : >Maybe it should be the other way... that the current should
: > : >have to win by 1/2 point. It would make the cup circulate
: > : >more what I think is a good thing.
: > :
: > : You have to beat the other side to take a title away from them. I see
no
: > other
: > : sensible way of doing it short of arranging the scoring system so that
a
: > draw
: > : is no longer possible.
: >
: > I don't see though why you have to beat the other guy to take it
: > away. It would be just as easy to say you have to beat the other
: > guy to retain the cup, especially since the holder has an advantage.
:
: Eaxctly what advantage did being holders of the cup give the European team
: have coming into this weekend ?  Some of the players had pictures from two
: years ago with it?
:
:

Wouldn't you say that the defending champion has
an advantage in just about everything? I don't mean
in every aspect, just in every sporting event, everything
else being equal. Momentum. Experience. Bragging
rights. And how about the way US fans take apart
their own team if they lose...? That's pressure.

 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by formerly known as 'cat arranger' » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:34:51


:


:
: > You have to beat the other side to take a title away from them. I see no
: > other
: > sensible way of doing it short of arranging the scoring system so that a
: > draw
: > is no longer possible.
:
: Hows about a tiebreaker?
:
: Ben

That is better. A four hole, random selection,
of 6 twosomes.

 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by sfb » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:44:05

Captain with the biggest***. At 6' 1", Sutton has to be the winner.


Quote:



>> You have to beat the other side to take a title away from them. I see no
>> other
>> sensible way of doing it short of arranging the scoring system so that a
>> draw
>> is no longer possible.

> Hows about a tiebreaker?

> Ben

 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by Simon Adam » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:57:33

Quote:



>> wrote



>>> : >Subject: Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?
>>> : >From: "formerly known as 'cat arranger'"

>>> : >Date: 19/09/04 19:12 GMT Daylight Time

>>> : >
>>> : >Maybe it should be the other way... that the current should
>>> : >have to win by 1/2 point. It would make the cup circulate
>>> : >more what I think is a good thing.
>>> :
>>> : You have to beat the other side to take a title away from them. I
>>> see no
>>> other
>>> : sensible way of doing it short of arranging the scoring system so
>>> that a
>>> draw
>>> : is no longer possible.

>>> I don't see though why you have to beat the other guy to take it
>>> away. It would be just as easy to say you have to beat the other
>>> guy to retain the cup, especially since the holder has an advantage.

>> Eaxctly what advantage did being holders of the cup give the European
>> team
>> have coming into this weekend ?  Some of the players had pictures from
>> two
>> years ago with it?

> 1/2 point advantage

The guy is arguing about taking that 1/2 point away, and is saying that
if you did, the defending champs would STILL have an advantage.
 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by bhoeni » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:14:53

And exactly how does that insure that the tie is broken?  It could end up 3-3,
and some matches could still be halved.  You would have to have an odd number of
matches with a rule that no matches could be halved  Perhaps sudden-death for
every match..

Going back to the original question of why a tie goes to the cup-holder:  I see
nothing wrong with that.  I don't understand how giving the 1/2 point advantage
to the other side makes any sense.  Why should they have an advantage?  Would
this idea even have been raised if the US were the cupholders?


Quote:


> :


> :
> : > You have to beat the other side to take a title away from them. I see no
> : > other
> : > sensible way of doing it short of arranging the scoring system so that a
> : > draw
> : > is no longer possible.
> :
> : Hows about a tiebreaker?
> :
> : Ben

> That is better. A four hole, random selection,
> of 6 twosomes.

 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by bill- » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:17:15

Quote:



>>> "formerly known as 'cat arranger'"




>>>> : >Subject: Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?
>>>> : >From: "formerly known as 'cat arranger'"

>>>> : >Date: 19/09/04 19:12 GMT Daylight Time

>>>> : >
>>>> : >Maybe it should be the other way... that the current should
>>>> : >have to win by 1/2 point. It would make the cup circulate
>>>> : >more what I think is a good thing.
>>>> :
>>>> : You have to beat the other side to take a title away from them. I
>>>> see no
>>>> other
>>>> : sensible way of doing it short of arranging the scoring system so
>>>> that a
>>>> draw
>>>> : is no longer possible.

>>>> I don't see though why you have to beat the other guy to take it
>>>> away. It would be just as easy to say you have to beat the other
>>>> guy to retain the cup, especially since the holder has an advantage.

>>> Eaxctly what advantage did being holders of the cup give the European
>>> team
>>> have coming into this weekend ?  Some of the players had pictures
>>> from two
>>> years ago with it?

>> 1/2 point advantage

> The guy is arguing about taking that 1/2 point away, and is saying that
> if you did, the defending champs would STILL have an advantage.

Sounds rather baseless as arguments go.

--
bill-o

 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by Simon Adam » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:25:11

Quote:




>>>> "formerly known as 'cat arranger'"




>>>>> : >Subject: Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?
>>>>> : >From: "formerly known as 'cat arranger'"

>>>>> : >Date: 19/09/04 19:12 GMT Daylight Time

>>>>> : >
>>>>> : >Maybe it should be the other way... that the current should
>>>>> : >have to win by 1/2 point. It would make the cup circulate
>>>>> : >more what I think is a good thing.
>>>>> :
>>>>> : You have to beat the other side to take a title away from them. I
>>>>> see no
>>>>> other
>>>>> : sensible way of doing it short of arranging the scoring system so
>>>>> that a
>>>>> draw
>>>>> : is no longer possible.

>>>>> I don't see though why you have to beat the other guy to take it
>>>>> away. It would be just as easy to say you have to beat the other
>>>>> guy to retain the cup, especially since the holder has an advantage.

>>>> Eaxctly what advantage did being holders of the cup give the
>>>> European team
>>>> have coming into this weekend ?  Some of the players had pictures
>>>> from two
>>>> years ago with it?

>>> 1/2 point advantage

>> The guy is arguing about taking that 1/2 point away, and is saying
>> that if you did, the defending champs would STILL have an advantage.

> Sounds rather baseless as arguments go.

I know, which is why we are aguing against him!
 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by Ben and Jerr » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:38:18

After today it's probably 3" shorter.....

Jochem


Quote:
> Captain with the biggest***. At 6' 1", Sutton has to be the winner.





> >> You have to beat the other side to take a title away from them. I see
no
> >> other
> >> sensible way of doing it short of arranging the scoring system so that
a
> >> draw
> >> is no longer possible.

> > Hows about a tiebreaker?

> > Ben

 
 
 

Why does Ryder Cup tie go to current cup holder?

Post by Annika19 » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:34:35

Quote:

>Captain with the biggest***. At 6' 1", Sutton has to be the winner.

If that was true, Corey Pavin would be the Captain.  Best hung white guy on
tour.
The opposing captain would of course be Harold "The Horse" Henning.