Ryder-Presidents Cup?

Ryder-Presidents Cup?

Post by oldnewgol.. » Thu, 29 May 2003 13:51:55


Well it won't be long until we here the hype over  another cup...the
performance of my fellow americans was embarrassing to say the least at
the last Ryder Cup, you could tell by the looks on their faces , they
would rather be somewhere else ...and the Euro's played as they were
from the same country, now here we go to South Africa and face all
those guys  who will be all hyped up and ready to complete...my question
is why send a USA team  to the R or P cup when their altitude is " I
don't want to be here  ".....we don't have the , Jack . A-P..Lee
Billy.. Ray...ect.. like we did years ago,.how can one country like the
USA take on the rest of the world  , when the rest of the world is
getting better ..?

    "  Live long and prosper "

 
 
 

Ryder-Presidents Cup?

Post by PJ » Thu, 29 May 2003 15:33:57

I agree that the US team, have a ho hum attitude to this type of event
when it is overseas. Might be something to do with having to travel
and not getting any cash. There were huge issues with the timing of
the last OS Presidents cup in Australia.

It will be interesting to see how many of the eligible candidates
actually go to SA

My call is that less than half of those eligible will go.



Quote:
>Well it won't be long until we here the hype over  another cup...the
>performance of my fellow americans was embarrassing to say the least at
>the last Ryder Cup, you could tell by the looks on their faces , they
>would rather be somewhere else ...and the Euro's played as they were
>from the same country, now here we go to South Africa and face all
>those guys  who will be all hyped up and ready to complete...my question
>is why send a USA team  to the R or P cup when their altitude is " I
>don't want to be here  ".....we don't have the , Jack . A-P..Lee
>Billy.. Ray...ect.. like we did years ago,.how can one country like the
>USA take on the rest of the world  , when the rest of the world is
>getting better ..?

>    "  Live long and prosper "


 
 
 

Ryder-Presidents Cup?

Post by Lenn » Thu, 29 May 2003 23:09:59


Quote:


> >I agree that the US team, have a ho hum attitude to this type of
event
> >when it is overseas. Might be something to do with having to travel
> >and not getting any cash. There were huge issues with the timing of
> >the last OS Presidents cup in Australia.

> >It will be interesting to see how many of the eligible candidates
> >actually go to SA

> >My call is that less than half of those eligible will go.

> I think you're mistaking good mannered but well motivated appearance
> (the root of the game) to loud mouthed, bad attitude and to hell
with
> sportsmanship attitude.

> You really don't have to rant, rave and shoot your mouth off to
> actually want to win.

> There was nothing wrong with the US teams attitude or performance in
> the 2001 Ryder, in fact, there attitude and behavior was a credit to
> the US.

I assume you mean "performance" off of the course.  Their play was
certainly no credit to the U.S.

 
 
 

Ryder-Presidents Cup?

Post by William A. T. Clar » Fri, 30 May 2003 01:44:38


Quote:





> > >I agree that the US team, have a ho hum attitude to this type of
> event
> > >when it is overseas. Might be something to do with having to travel
> > >and not getting any cash. There were huge issues with the timing of
> > >the last OS Presidents cup in Australia.

> > >It will be interesting to see how many of the eligible candidates
> > >actually go to SA

> > >My call is that less than half of those eligible will go.

> > I think you're mistaking good mannered but well motivated appearance
> > (the root of the game) to loud mouthed, bad attitude and to hell
> with
> > sportsmanship attitude.

> > You really don't have to rant, rave and shoot your mouth off to
> > actually want to win.

> > There was nothing wrong with the US teams attitude or performance in
> > the 2001 Ryder, in fact, there attitude and behavior was a credit to
> > the US.

> I assume you mean "performance" off of the course.  Their play was
> certainly no credit to the U.S.

I assume that by "no credit" you mean they failed to win. Kinda missed
the point of the previous post,  didn't you?  It is not always essential
to win every time, and that you sometimes gain more in a gallant defeat
than in a boorish win. After all, it's only a game.

William Clark

 
 
 

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Post by PJ » Fri, 30 May 2003 08:22:51

If you read my post - you may notice I was referring to the last OS
Presidents Cup here in Australia, where quite a few of the US eligible
players did not make the trip.

On Wed, 28 May 2003 10:10:38 +0000 (UTC), Baffie

Quote:



>>I agree that the US team, have a ho hum attitude to this type of event
>>when it is overseas. Might be something to do with having to travel
>>and not getting any cash. There were huge issues with the timing of
>>the last OS Presidents cup in Australia.

>>It will be interesting to see how many of the eligible candidates
>>actually go to SA

>>My call is that less than half of those eligible will go.

>I think you're mistaking good mannered but well motivated appearance
>(the root of the game) to loud mouthed, bad attitude and to hell with
>sportsmanship attitude.

>You really don't have to rant, rave and shoot your mouth off to
>actually want to win.

>There was nothing wrong with the US teams attitude or performance in
>the 2001 Ryder, in fact, there attitude and behavior was a credit to
>the US.

 
 
 

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Post by Colin Wilso » Fri, 30 May 2003 10:17:16

Quote:

> If you read my post - you may notice I was referring to the last OS
> Presidents Cup here in Australia, where quite a few of the US eligible
> players did not make the trip.

Actually that's not quite right. The US team at Royal Melbourne in 1998 was:

David Duval
Jim Furyk
Tiger Woods
Phil Mickelson
Mark O'Meara
Justin Leonard
Fred Couples
John Huston
Davis Love
Mark Calcavecchia
Scott Hoch (Captains Pick)
Lee Janzen (Captains Pick)

The USPGA eligibility list at the time was:

1 David Duval
2 Jim Furyk
3 Tiger Woods
4 Hal Sutton
5 Phil Mickelson
6 Mark O'Meara
7 Justin Leonard
8 Fred Couples
9 John Huston
10 Davis Love
11 Mark Calcavecchia
12 Steve Stricker
13 Glen Day
14 Billy Mayfair
15 Scott Hoch
16 Scott Verplank
17 Payne Stewart
18 Lee Janzen

So of all the "automatic pick" players only Hal Sutton was missing,
replaced by Mark Calcavecchia, who was 11th on the list anyway.

The really "bad" event for US representation was the Accenture WGC World
Matchplay at Metropolitan in 2001, where they had to go down to around
100 in the world rankings to get a field (it was supposed to be the top
64). Most big-name US players like Woods, Mickelson and Duval didn't
turn up. Apart from the travelling distance, the event was really badly
scheduled in early January.

The current US Presidents Cup eligibility ranking is:

1 Tiger Woods
2 Davis Love III
3 David Toms
4 Phil Mickelson
5 Jim Furyk
6 Justin Leonard
7 Chris DiMarco
8 Jerry Kelly
9 Kenny Perry
10 Charles Howell III
11 Bob Estes
12 Jeff Sluman
13 Scott Hoch
14 Scott Verplank
15 Brad Faxon

Many in that list are not renowned "travellers", and are the same ones
who avoided the 2001 World Matchplay.

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Post by Colin Wilso » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:18:23

Quote:

> It will be interesting to see how many of the eligible candidates
> actually go to SA.
> My call is that less than half of those eligible will go.

According to an Associated Press report today, US Captain Jack Nicklaus
says *every* eligible American player wanted to go.

The AP report says:

"The International team ... had better start preparing to face a
full-strength US golf team in November's Presidents Cup."

"Fears that a number of Americans would opt out because of the long trip
to South Africa during their PGA tour off-season were eased at a recent
meeting with captain Jack Nicklaus."

"Nicklaus said there wasn't a single top-10 player, including Tiger
Woods and Phil Mickelson, who didn't want to go. 'I think Tiger, Phil
and Davis (Love III) have all committed to go,' he said. 'That's what
they told the tour. I think they all want to go.' "

"Australians Robert Allenby, Peter Lonard, Stuart Appleby and Adam Scott
are all currently in the top 10 on rankings for the 12-man International
team, with Ernie Els, Vijay Singh, Mike Weir, Retief Goosen and Nick
Price leading the way."

--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
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Post by John Pflum, Jr » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:40:00

There was also a quote in that article that Jeff Sluman and Fred Funk said
they would take a row boat if they had to.

Quote:


> > It will be interesting to see how many of the eligible candidates
> > actually go to SA.

> > My call is that less than half of those eligible will go.

> According to an Associated Press report today, US Captain Jack Nicklaus
> says *every* eligible American player wanted to go.

> The AP report says:

> "The International team ... had better start preparing to face a
> full-strength US golf team in November's Presidents Cup."

> "Fears that a number of Americans would opt out because of the long trip
> to South Africa during their PGA tour off-season were eased at a recent
> meeting with captain Jack Nicklaus."

> "Nicklaus said there wasn't a single top-10 player, including Tiger
> Woods and Phil Mickelson, who didn't want to go. 'I think Tiger, Phil
> and Davis (Love III) have all committed to go,' he said. 'That's what
> they told the tour. I think they all want to go.' "

> "Australians Robert Allenby, Peter Lonard, Stuart Appleby and Adam Scott
> are all currently in the top 10 on rankings for the 12-man International
> team, with Ernie Els, Vijay Singh, Mike Weir, Retief Goosen and Nick
> Price leading the way."

> --
> Cheers
> Colin Wilson
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------------

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John Pflum, Jr.
2002 RSG-Cincinnati Champion
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Ryder-Presidents Cup?

Post by john » Thu, 05 Jun 2003 00:14:38

Quote:
> > ...the performance of my fellow americans was embarrassing to say
> > the least at the last Ryder Cup, you could tell by the looks on their
> >faces , they would rather be somewhere else ...

> > >I agree that the US team, have a ho hum attitude to this type of
>  event
> > >when it is overseas. Might be something to do with having to travel
> > >and not getting any cash. There were huge issues with the timing of
> > >the last OS Presidents cup in Australia.

>  Their play was
> certainly no credit to the U.S.

Yeah -- anything but admit the European team were better golfers.
 
 
 

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Post by John Pflum, Jr » Thu, 05 Jun 2003 03:03:24

Yeah, I mean, duh.  Who could possibly think that there is anyone in the
world who is better than an American?

Quote:

> > > ...the performance of my fellow americans was embarrassing to say
> > > the least at the last Ryder Cup, you could tell by the looks on their
> > >faces , they would rather be somewhere else ...

> > > >I agree that the US team, have a ho hum attitude to this type of
> >  event
> > > >when it is overseas. Might be something to do with having to travel
> > > >and not getting any cash. There were huge issues with the timing of
> > > >the last OS Presidents cup in Australia.

> >  Their play was
> > certainly no credit to the U.S.

> Yeah -- anything but admit the European team were better golfers.

--

John Pflum, Jr.
2002 RSG-Cincinnati Champion
Email:  jpflumjr at nuvox dot net