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by **Brian Foste** » Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:29:32

Why all the rough? Why greens that roll like table tops?

I can't believe that the course designers ever imagined these setups. The
really good designs don't need all the tricks anyway. You can separate the
good from the great with pin placements on any track worthy of hosting a
major.

So why does the USGA insist on making the course the headline?

It's like bringing in all of the players for a MLB all star game and then
letting the umpires narrow the strike zone. Letting the grass grow up over
everyone's ankles so there are no ground balls. Silly & needless really.

You've got the best golfers in the world assembled for one of 4 major
tournaments a year. Why not just let them play and not try to make the
course setup such a big story.

USGA, stop the nonsense, take a lesson from Augusta National.

Despite what the USGA does I still love the US Open. It is the highlight of
the golf season IMHO. That includes all the qualifying events that lead up
to it and I love the fact that anyone who has enough game and the
(small/token)entry fee is welcome to participate.

by **fivei..** » Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:55:19

Quote:

>Letting the grass grow up over >everyone's ankles so there are no
ground >balls.
>Silly & needless really.

=====
do you think the course was strapped for cash and to cut costs,
maintenance was curtailed?:--)

Quote:

>mho
>v fe
>drive 10% less, fill up when half-empty at
>the lowest major station (help create a glut)

by **Bob** » Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:21:05

Quote:

> Why all the rough? Why greens that roll like table tops?

To the USGA's credit ... the greens were not linoleum this year ...

I do agree with the rough, ie bad shots should be penalized, I'd like to see
more graduations of rough depth, maybe not to such a penalizing depth ...
not sure what to do about really bad shots that hit the ***led down
spectator area ?? I'd like to see the USGA do the Memorial sand trap rake
thingy next year.

Bob

by **Brian Foste** » Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:47:22

More like EXTRA fertilizer, water, and grow lamps!!!

My grass will not grow like that if I wait all year for my 13 year old to
mow it........

Steroids it think....

Quote:

> >Letting the grass grow up over >everyone's ankles so there are no
> ground >balls.
>>Silly & needless really.
> =====
> do you think the course was strapped for cash and to cut costs,
> maintenance was curtailed?:--)

>>mho
>>v fe

>>drive 10% less, fill up when half-empty at
>>the lowest major station (help create a glut)

by **Howard Braze** » Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:55:42

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:29:32 GMT, "Brian Foster"

Quote:

>Why all the rough? Why greens that roll like table tops?

>I can't believe that the course designers ever imagined these setups. The
>really good designs don't need all the tricks anyway. You can separate the
>good from the great with pin placements on any track worthy of hosting a
>major.

I've read that the greens are remarkably unchanged from when they were
created in this way.

I don't mind greens like this - they're hard to read, but they aren't
like the greens they had at Whistling Straights that they had to water
after the Kevin Stadler foursome played. Those were random, these
were just hard.

by **Howard Braze** » Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:56:58

Quote:

>I do agree with the rough, ie bad shots should be penalized, I'd like to see
>more graduations of rough depth, maybe not to such a penalizing depth ...

That penalizing depth didn't stop Phil from contending. Don't
weaken it.

Quote:

>not sure what to do about really bad shots that hit the ***led down
>spectator area ?? I'd like to see the USGA do the Memorial sand trap rake
>thingy next year.

by **Tom** » Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:37:36

Quote:

> Why all the rough? Why greens that roll like table tops?

> I can't believe that the course designers ever imagined these setups. The
> really good designs don't need all the tricks anyway. You can separate the
> good from the great with pin placements on any track worthy of hosting a
> major.

> So why does the USGA insist on making the course the headline?

> It's like bringing in all of the players for a MLB all star game and then
> letting the umpires narrow the strike zone. Letting the grass grow up over
> everyone's ankles so there are no ground balls. Silly & needless really.

I disagree... It's more like having a deep left/center field in Yankee
Stadium, vs. a short left field Green Monster at Fenway IMO.

There are hitting parks and pitching parks.

Augusta is already designed for the long hitters.

Why can't the US Open be different?

--Tom

by **DanL** » Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:32:31

Quote:

> So why does the USGA insist on making the course the headline?

> It's like bringing in all of the players for a MLB all star game and then
> letting the umpires narrow the strike zone

Why do you insist on making stupid analogies? Where did the USGA change the
basic Rules of Golf for this event?

by **Dave Le** » Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:59:29

Quote:

> > So why does the USGA insist on making the course the headline?

> > It's like bringing in all of the players for a MLB all star game and
then
> > letting the umpires narrow the strike zone

> Why do you insist on making stupid analogies? Where did the USGA change
the
> basic Rules of Golf for this event?

While it has little to do with the point being made, not that long ago there
was a big argument between the MLB umpires and MLB powers-that-be over who
actually does define the strike zone. The umpires absolutely were not
abiding by the "ROBB" on high pitches. I believe that this is still the case
(or maybe the ROBB were changed).

dave

by **Bert Robbin** » Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:17:03

Quote:

>>> So why does the USGA insist on making the course the headline?

>>> It's like bringing in all of the players for a MLB all star game and
> then
>>> letting the umpires narrow the strike zone
>> Why do you insist on making stupid analogies? Where did the USGA change
> the
>> basic Rules of Golf for this event?

> While it has little to do with the point being made, not that long ago there
> was a big argument between the MLB umpires and MLB powers-that-be over who
> actually does define the strike zone. The umpires absolutely were not
> abiding by the "ROBB" on high pitches. I believe that this is still the case
> (or maybe the ROBB were changed).

A large part of Baseball is the deference to the umpire's judgment in
the rules. Where in Golf typically when the rules do not address a
specific situation equity is used to determine the outcome.

by **Dave Le** » Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:51:34

Quote:

> >>> So why does the USGA insist on making the course the headline?

> >>> It's like bringing in all of the players for a MLB all star game and
> > then
> >>> letting the umpires narrow the strike zone
> >> Why do you insist on making stupid analogies? Where did the USGA
change
> > the
> >> basic Rules of Golf for this event?

> > While it has little to do with the point being made, not that long ago
there
> > was a big argument between the MLB umpires and MLB powers-that-be over
who
> > actually does define the strike zone. The umpires absolutely were not
> > abiding by the "ROBB" on high pitches. I believe that this is still the
case
> > (or maybe the ROBB were changed).

> A large part of Baseball is the deference to the umpire's judgment in
> the rules. Where in Golf typically when the rules do not address a
> specific situation equity is used to determine the outcome.

However the ROBB do have objective standards against which umpire judgements
are to be made. In the case of the "upper strike zone" I don't think that
anyone in baseball believes that the objective standard defined in the ROBB
is the basis for umpire decisions. Golf has these situations as well (e.g.,
where did the ball last cross the hazard boundary), but they are far less
common.

dave

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