Golf and other important matters

Golf and other important matters

Post by Jack Nybe » Sat, 03 Aug 1991 22:52:49


Some comments on various topics under discussion:

1. In general it seems that most posters tend to take a rather strict
   route in interpreting the rules.  IMHO, a more common sense approach
   would make the game more fun.

   a. When can I change a ball?  Answer:  Only between holes or if your
      ball is lost.  Unless you were in a tournament or (maybe) playing
      for money, I think the rule about playing with the same type ball
      through out the round is irrelevent to the average golfer.  Also
      anyone calling this rule on their playing partner is a dweeb.

   b. The lost hole-in-one ball that became a par because of the provisional.
      Come on!!!!  IMHO, this is a good rule with bad interpretation.  There
      is a rule called Equity.  Score the hole-in-one and put the name in the
      paper.

   c. Walking on someone's line.  In this case I must be a little hardheaded.
      There is no excuse for walking in someone's line.  Reasons have been given      that are excellent.  I have two.  If you're wearing spikes, it makes the
      poor guy's putt that much harder.  And more importantly, nothing tells
      your partner more quickly that you're a golf novice then doing this
      heinous act.  He may say nothing when you do it, but he'll be angry
      inside ( I would be.).  

2. Enough with these tedious discussions on the rules.  Who is the best
   golfer ever?  I think we should take a poll and settle this burning
   issue.  Post your vote and reasons why (not all reasons must be logical).

   MY VOTE:      SEVE BALLESTEROS

   MY REASONS:   1. THE SWING      I never saw Sam Snead swing, but Seve's
                                   swing is head and shoulders above anyone
                                   else's out there now.

                 2. His temperment  Like John McEnroe in tennis, Seve has a
                                    brooding personality that he doesn't keep
                                    inside.  Damn it.... he wants to win.

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   "I miss.  I miss.  I miss.  I make."  - Seve, discussing a 4 putt he took
                                           at the Masters.

Until next time, hasta la vista BABY!!!!!

 
 
 

Golf and other important matters

Post by Blair P. Hought » Sun, 04 Aug 1991 02:49:56

Quote:

>1. In general it seems that most posters tend to take a rather strict
>   route in interpreting the rules.  IMHO, a more common sense approach
>   would make the game more fun.

Common sense says the game _is_ fun, and a lot of the rules
are designed only to mitigate very strange situations (who
gives a woodchuck's wattle wether the water is a "lateral
hazard"? To me, it's always a big stinking pond that just ate
my ball).

Quote:
>   a. When can I change a ball?  Answer:  Only between holes or if your

This, most of all, isn't common sense.  Unless you're a
pro, or independently wealthy, you change balls whenever
you feel a change of ball is economically sound.  That is,
whenever you've just laid-up your prized Titleist Balata
Tour 100 and now have a 90-yard pitch from the rushes over
the fishes to the steeply sloping green.  Time for the
scuffed Phoenician Resort range-balls I get for a quarter
at Club Masters.

Just remember that anything you do to improve your score on
Thursdays is going to lower your handicap for the tournaments
on Saturdays, where I'm going to use a scanning tunnelling
microscope, if necessary, to determine that you're using
the proper ball every shot.

Quote:
>   b. The lost hole-in-one ball that became a par because of the provisional.
>      Come on!!!!  IMHO, this is a good rule with bad interpretation.

But it didn't become a par.  He did find his ball before
teeing off at the next hole.  Score the ace.

Quote:
>   c. Walking on someone's line.  In this case I must be a little hardheaded.
>      There is no excuse for walking in someone's line.

As much as this game is mental and physical, it's more so
civil.  While the technical rules can be bent if it keeps
you from digging in tuft grass for 4.9 minutes to find the
aforementioned worthless water ball, the social conventions
shouldn't be scoffed at.  Often you're teamed up with total
strangers on the course, and their idea of politeness may
be quite different from yours, not to mention their idea of
retribution.  Leave your ego in your car with your street
shoes.

The only deviation I make, typically, is to determine
beforehand whether the stranger wants to play ready-golf or
strict ordering.  Being manic, I'm typically out of my cart
and on the teeing ground before anyone, but I'm rarely the
winner of the previous hole, and it bugs me to have to wait
for someone who's whining about his "honors," but if that's
the way we've decided to play, I'll play along.

Quote:
>2. Enough with these tedious discussions on the rules.  Who is the best
>   golfer ever?

Bobby Jones, or maybe Nicklaus, but my guess is Phil
Mickelson, though it'll take a few years to prove it, but
that'll be one hell of a lot of fun.  (I met Phil on a
plane ride to San Jose a few weeks ago; along with the
entire ASU team; and the entire U of A team... they were
all headed out to the coast for the NCAA tournament.  My
dad claims to have seen Phil working at the ASU golf
course's pro shop when we were there, but I didn't
even know who Phil was then, so I can't confirm it.
ASU's course was designed by Pete Dye and is named Karsten,
after Karsten Solheim, who started his company here in the
early 60's.  I've met a guy who was on the ASU team in the
early 60's, and he claims this "crazy old man" showed up
one day with an armful of his funky putters (his first
design; the first heel-toe weighted club) and gave one to
each member.  He thinks he still has the thing in his
closet, somewhere.  Long digression, but I've got a lot of
pent-up rec.sport.golf to get out).

As for who golfs best, I should look in my copy of the PGA
Press Guide, but if anyone comes up with the number sooner,
please post it:  which golfer has the lowest, average,
round score, career or for a season?

(Greg Norman's was something like 69.9 last year, which is
phenomenal to say the least, but maybe someone's done better).

                                --Blair
                                  "'Why do they call it "golf?"'
                                   'Because "Arrggh!" and "No!"
                                   were already taken.'"
                                   - Shoe

 
 
 

Golf and other important matters

Post by Anders G|ranss » Sun, 04 Aug 1991 04:54:15

JN> 2. Enough with these tedious discussions on the rules.  Who is the best
JN>    golfer ever?  I think we should take a poll and settle this burning
JN>    issue.  Post your vote and reasons why (not all reasons must be logical)

JN>    MY VOTE:      SEVE BALLESTEROS

JN>    MY REASONS:   1. THE SWING      I never saw Sam Snead swing, but Seve's
JN>                                    swing is head and shoulders above anyone
JN>                                    else's out there now.

I had the pleasure to see Ballesteros swing at 5 tees on
Drottningholm the other day. Together with Couples, Stadler and
Woosnam. I liked Couples swing better. It was more definite.
Ballesteros have of course much more too back him up for the
title of "best golfer ever" than Couples but as for the swing
Couples get my vote. Woosnam made a good shot seem so down to
earth that it was boring.
Ballesteros is of course a great golfplayer but is his swing
really that good, I mean he misses the fairways a lot doesn't he
( compared to some other tour players I mean). Doesn't this
indicates that his swing varies from shot to shot?

regards Anders

 
 
 

Golf and other important matters

Post by Martin Olive » Sun, 04 Aug 1991 10:05:25

Quote:


>> 2. Enough with these tedious discussions on the rules.  Who is the best
>>    golfer ever?  I think we should take a poll and settle this burning
>>    issue.  Post your vote and reasons why (not all reasons must be logical)
>>    MY VOTE:      SEVE BALLESTEROS
>>    MY REASONS:   1. THE SWING      I never saw Sam Snead swing, but Seve's
>>                                    swing is head and shoulders above anyone
>>                                    else's out there now.
>(...) . I liked Couples swing better. It was more definite.
>Ballesteros have of course much more too back him up for the
>title of "best golfer ever" than Couples but as for the swing
>Couples get my vote. Woosnam made a good shot seem so down to
>earth that it was boring.
>Ballesteros is of course a great golfplayer but is his swing
>really that good, I mean he misses the fairways a lot doesn't he
>( compared to some other tour players I mean). Doesn't this
>indicates that his swing varies from shot to shot?

Geez!. Couples ... Seve ... C'mon guys!. Whenever those guys get to
collect 1/2 of the 20 majors and 70 titles that Jack Nicklaus has
collected over the past 30 years THEN we can start counting them as
possible candidates to the SECOND best golfer ever. IMHO Jack IS the
best ever and it will be very very difficult, given today's standard
of play, for any player to dominate as much as Jack did in the 60's and
70's.

Now, if you ask me what player I like to watch the most I'll have to
go with Greg Norman (he'll come out of whatever is bothering him now,
just like Seve did). I've seen him play and the man is awesome. Of
course, I tend to favor agressive play (Palmer, Calcavecchia, Lanny
Wadkins), it may not help my score most of the time, but it sure is fun.

I don't think one can judge the quality of a player on how pretty his
swing is. Look at Tom Purtzer! One of the most, if not the most,
beautiful swings I've ever seen. But the man can't putt and his pretty
swing doesn't work well under pressure.

Martin
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