Callaway X-12 irons vs. Taylormade LCG irons

Callaway X-12 irons vs. Taylormade LCG irons

Post by Joseph N. Hal » Wed, 01 Apr 1998 04:00:00


If you want graphite, Callaway is the best value from a name brand,
or at the least is very competitive.  Compare with the offerings from
Ping (for example).

        -joseph

Quote:

> I am trying to make a decision on which irons to purchase.  I have hit a five
> iron of several brands with graphite shafts and like these two.  Everyone seems
> to be going with the Callaway name, but I am not sure it is the better iron.  [...]

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Callaway X-12 irons vs. Taylormade LCG irons

Post by TS12 » Thu, 02 Apr 1998 04:00:00

I am trying to make a decision on which irons to purchase.  I have hit a five
iron of several brands with graphite shafts and like these two.  Everyone seems
to be going with the Callaway name, but I am not sure it is the better iron.  I
would like to hear your positive and negative comments.        Thanks,   Jeff
Scott    

 
 
 

Callaway X-12 irons vs. Taylormade LCG irons

Post by Steve » Thu, 02 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>>If you want graphite, Callaway is the best value from a name brand,

or at the least is very competitive.<<

I regripped a set of Calloways last night. I had never spent that much
time around the set. The ability of the tour players to hit them, IMO,
shows how purely they can play with a broom if the price is right.

I took my frequency meter and checked the clubs. Nice! Three different
flexes in 8 irons. Differences between clubs ranged from 2 cpm to 11
cpm. Not exactly what one calls quality control.

My money says that Calloway is like the old Sony TV ads, where they
convinced the people that their TV was something special, despite not
getting the best rating from Consumer Reports.

When you buy those Calloways, Johnny Miller, Colin Montgomery, Jesper
Parnevick, Smokey Robinson, and Bill Gates should send you a big thank
you note for the endor***t money you gave them.

While I know this is severe, I'm sorry but in my mind this is one ***
ugly club.

Steve Conlon
GCA_PCS

 
 
 

Callaway X-12 irons vs. Taylormade LCG irons

Post by Steve » Thu, 02 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>>..why is Callaway still using the RCH96

shaft in their new irons???<<

I think your comment that they have them is a fair judement. I don't
think it's a good shaft myself.

There is nothing special about these clubs, particularly the irons,
except for brainwashing. I don't a single good player who would even
consider them myself.

Steve Conlon
PCS_GCA

 
 
 

Callaway X-12 irons vs. Taylormade LCG irons

Post by Joseph N. Hal » Thu, 02 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


>  on Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:38:35 -0500,
>  Steve C <Steve> writes:
> >>>If you want graphite, Callaway is the best value from a name brand,
> >or at the least is very competitive.<<

> >I regripped a set of Calloways last night. I had never spent that much
> >time around the set. The ability of the tour players to hit them, IMO,
> >shows how purely they can play with a broom if the price is right.

> >I took my frequency meter and checked the clubs. Nice! Three different
> >flexes in 8 irons. Differences between clubs ranged from 2 cpm to 11
> >cpm. Not exactly what one calls quality control.

Maybe not, but it's pretty typical for even mid-priced graphite.  It's
not a Callaway problem, it's a graphite technology problem.  Just
get steel.  Even humble weight-sorted steel shafts are better than
graphite shafts costing several times as much.  Yours truly only
uses graphite in woods and his sand wedge.

The driver shafts (the UL anyway) seem to be much more consistent.

        -joseph

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Callaway X-12 irons vs. Taylormade LCG irons

Post by Job » Fri, 03 Apr 1998 04:00:00


 on Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:38:35 -0500,
 Steve C <Steve> writes:

Quote:
>>>If you want graphite, Callaway is the best value from a name brand,
>or at the least is very competitive.<<

>I regripped a set of Calloways last night. I had never spent that much
>time around the set. The ability of the tour players to hit them, IMO,
>shows how purely they can play with a broom if the price is right.

>I took my frequency meter and checked the clubs. Nice! Three different
>flexes in 8 irons. Differences between clubs ranged from 2 cpm to 11
>cpm. Not exactly what one calls quality control.

>My money says that Calloway is like the old Sony TV ads, where they
>convinced the people that their TV was something special, despite not
>getting the best rating from Consumer Reports.

>When you buy those Calloways, Johnny Miller, Colin Montgomery, Jesper
>Parnevick, Smokey Robinson, and Bill Gates should send you a big thank
>you note for the endor***t money you gave them.

>While I know this is severe, I'm sorry but in my mind this is one ***
>ugly club.

>Steve Conlon
>GCA_PCS

A guy in my office had his set of Callaway warbirds checked by a local
club maker on his frequency meter, I'm not sure which callaway graphite
shafts he had. The reason he had them checked was, he said he could
only hit one of the woods in the "set".

 The club maker said out of three shafts one was the correct flex the
other two were a ladies flex!

 I guess a question I would have is, why is Callaway still using the RCH96
shaft in their new irons??? Both the X-12's and Ti irons use the RCH96.

 My guess is they have a warehouse full of inventory now that they no longer
use that shaft in their woods.

 
 
 

Callaway X-12 irons vs. Taylormade LCG irons

Post by Mike Snowde » Fri, 03 Apr 1998 04:00:00

A bit of history on the official line on the RCH96 vs BBUL a couple of years
back:  There was a brief period when you could get "strange" shaft
combination fairway (warbird steel) woods.  I hit them better than I got on
with either RCH96 warbird or Ti/BBUL versions.  The story I got from the rep
was that they had insisted that a light shaft version was available for the
Japanese market until the fairway GBBs were available.  Having hit both
shafts, the feel IS very different.  On the other hand, lots of people in
this forum have changed to something like the GraphAlloy Pro, rather than
keep the BBUL.

The story I've heard here is that part of the reason for the new shaft
(Memphis 10-98) is that they have changed the balance very slightly so that
they can use exactly the same heads as for the RCH96 line.  The BBUL would
be an ultra-light shaft, and IMHO would be far too flexible for irons to get
any real confidence from using it.  (BTW I've never understood why the head
on the Utility woods has a smaller front profile than the irons......)

BeforeI bought my BB/RCH96s, I tried most clubs that my pro recommended.  He
steered me away from the TM Bubbles, saying that for a high to mid
handicapper, he thought that the BBs were a more appropriate club.  You had
to be a low handicapper before he'd recommend them.  (and I was changing
from old forged blades, so the look was REALLY different).  The other club I
really liked was 2/3rds the price of the BBs, so it wasn't just that he was
steering me upmarket.

Finally, I hit reasonably consistently, with two exceptions.  My Tour
Approach wedge hits nearer the BB Pitch than halfway between it and the SW,
and even though I hit 4 & 5 well, the 3i just feels completely different to
me.  Maybe I ought to get the flex/Freq checked out....

                Mike

 
 
 

Callaway X-12 irons vs. Taylormade LCG irons

Post by Joseph N. Hal » Fri, 03 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Well, although I hit my BBUL GBB very well, I keep looking for a
version of a stainless BB that I can hit.  Just because, I guess.
I bought a firm 9 degree RCH96 and although I can hit it at the range,
when my normal swing kicks in off the tee, it hits nothing but
low hooks.  So I'm having it reshafted with a Harrison 2.5.  We'll
see if that works.

I have GBB 3 and 5 wood also, and all three of those clubs are
very reliable performers, for me, with the strong flex shaft.  It
appears to be about a perfect match (for me).

I have Rifle shafts in my irons.  The one iron weirdness is that my
6 iron has a significantly higher trajectory than my 5 iron.

Some day I'll get a frequency meter.

        -joseph

p.s. I think the GBB fairway woods are very playable, and in
particular I like them better than the BB versions.  Expensive little
bastards, yes, but I wouldn't trade them for anything.

Quote:

> A bit of history on the official line on the RCH96 vs BBUL a couple of years
> back:  There was a brief period when you could get "strange" shaft
> combination fairway (warbird steel) woods.  I hit them better than I got on
> with either RCH96 warbird or Ti/BBUL versions.  [...]

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Callaway X-12 irons vs. Taylormade LCG irons

Post by Frank Stefane » Sat, 04 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Steve,

Quote:
>>. I don't a single good player who would even

consider them myself.<<

I'm curious as to what would be recommended irons for a mid-handicap player
like myself.  My son, 16 yr old, and now below a 10 handicap plays steel
DCI's.  I doubt I could hit them, but am always in the market for new
irons<g>.    I currently play bertha's and do ok, but seem to balloon them a
bit.   I took a lesson the other day and was trying the Titleist 975d vs the
GBB.  My pro loves the Titleist driver.  I forgot to ask him about irons.
I'm going to call him today.  He helped my swing a lot.  Probably more than
the club change<vbg>.

Frank

 
 
 

Callaway X-12 irons vs. Taylormade LCG irons

Post by Steve » Sun, 05 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>>My son, 16 yr old, and now below a 10 handicap plays steel

DCI's.<<

I like the DCI's myself. They do come in an oversize if you want to play
the same club as your son.

Quote:
>>I took a lesson the other day and was trying the Titleist 975d vs the

GBB.  My pro loves the Titleist driver. <<

I hit the Titleist Driver also down at GS. I loved it myself. I was
getting 4-5 mph more out of it than my Taylor Made, but I have no idea
why as they were the same length.

I can't say what club is best for you. I can say that likely 80% of the
club is the shaft. Gettin the proper flex, and the proper weight so you
can feel the clubhead to your liking is crucial.

If you get a chance to look at the Harvey Penick Plus irons, I think
they are beautiful. I am placing a shaft in a 5 iron tonight to try
tomorrow. If I like it better than the Tour Cavity it looks like I'll
have another set. They are more expensive, however. The face is made of
titanium and the head is a tad larger.

If you like the look of Ping irons, you could try the Golfsmith XPC3
irons. For a little more money they come in nickel, although testing has
reported that not even touring pros can tell if they are hitting a
forged club or a cast club.

My own thoughts are that you need to be able to hit a variety of clubs
with different flexes because barring your clubs being dead wrong for
you, the clubs won't improve your game, per se. However, if you feel
better with them in your hands, and they look better, you will have more
confidence. That, by itself, will go a long way to making you enjoy the
game more and likely play better.

Steve Conlon
PCS_GCA