Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

Post by Rhino B0 » Mon, 29 Sep 1997 04:00:00


So Europe have just (and I mean just!!) clinched a win. Things from today:

1/ Great USA comeback. That will silence those who want the format changed
to Europe versus Rest Of The World to make it more of an even contest.

2/ Crowd - back to the bad days of Kiawah Island. Embarassing at times.
Stewarding??? What stewarding??

3/ Hoch and Woods pathetic gamesmanship. Even with the worst yips in the
world asking someone to hole from 2 inches is ridiculous. To make it worse
Montgomery conceeds Hoch's 12 footer on the last. (Saying that The European
crybaby might have done the same given the chance)

4/ Back to back chip in for Furyck (sp) against Faldo.

(Great to see so many of the topstars (or so called stars losing their
singles))

5/ Great comeback from Bjorn - really vital half in the end

6/ Langer making ammends for 6 years ago, especailly after Olazabel losing
the last 3holes in a row.

7/ Two bl**dy years to have to wait for the next time

8/ Best team won which is always the way it should be but who out
therewould like to see more singles and fewer fourballs and foresomes? (or
make it last 4 days like every other week of the year)  

 
 
 

Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

Post by Jonas Holmgre » Wed, 01 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> 2/ Crowd - back to the bad days of Kiawah Island. Embarassing at times.
> Stewarding??? What stewarding??

Why do you think that? Even captain Kite gave his best regards
to the crowd for being so sportsman-like. I didn't catch any of the
bad sportsman-ship you mention.

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> 4/ Back to back chip in for Furyck (sp) against Faldo.

Which I think was two really incerdible holed shots.
Faldo really played 14, 15 and 16 well and still didn't
win any of those holes. Unbelievable. I mean what will Faldo
be thinking now that he's been beaten by what he would probably
call one of the worst ***s ever seen.

Quote:
> (Great to see so many of the topstars (or so called stars losing their
> singles))

Agree. I like it when "unexperienced" players really kick some ass.

Quote:
> 5/ Great comeback from Bjorn - really vital half in the end

Which for me - together with Roccas win, Couples's sunday performance
and Johanssons 100% points won - were the real moments. Including
ALL of Seve's coaching.

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> 6/ Langer making ammends for 6 years ago, especailly after Olazabel losing
> the last 3holes in a row.

True. Langer is one tough guy. You know, the event on the European tour
the week right after Kiawah he won. THAT is some strength.

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> 7/ Two bl**dy years to have to wait for the next time

Very good point!

Quote:
> 8/ Best team won which is always the way it should be but who out
> therewould like to see more singles and fewer fourballs and foresomes? (or
> make it last 4 days like every other week of the year)

I think the mix is quite good as it is. 4 days would (if you mean more
number of matches) be too much I think. The players are quite tired
both mentally and physically after 3 days.

Jonas
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Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

Post by Hanno Prin » Wed, 01 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> > 6/ Langer making ammends for 6 years ago, especailly after Olazabel losing
> > the last 3holes in a row.

> True. Langer is one tough guy. You know, the event on the European tour
> the week right after Kiawah he won. THAT is some strength.

Yes, and what makes it even more tremendous, is the fact that he had a
putt on the last hole to tie Woosnam (?), that was about the same length
as was the RC-putt ... He made it and won in extra holes

                                                Hanno

 
 
 

Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

Post by JEC86 » Sat, 04 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>>>8/ Best team won which is always the way it should be but who out

therewould like to see more singles and fewer fourballs and foresomes? (or
make it last 4 days like every other week of the year)  <<<

I have heard a number of suggestions for altering the format. The one above.
 Having more foursomes and fourballs so every player is included. Adding a
 tiebreaker in case of a tie score. WHY??? The Ryder Cup has consistently
 produced some of the best theater in all of golf going back to the early 1980s
 when the Europeans became competetive. Why mess with this format. I think the
 foursome and fourballs are far more interesting than the singles matches.
 Limiting each to 4 matches each day puts the burden on the captains to decide
 who to play and who to sit allowing for some interesting second guessing. I
 also don't want to see a tiebreaker added. Like in boxing, the challenger must
 take the crown from the champion. The championship shouldn't change hands on a
 draw.

John

 
 
 

Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

Post by Tony Skorp » Mon, 06 Oct 1997 04:00:00

First of all, I seriously doubt that the best team won. Everything went
the Europeans way for this Ryder competition. Seve did all that he could
to make sure that the A. course favored the Europeans and B. the order of
play for the foursomes versus the alternate shot favored Europe's
preference. All that being said and done, The US still almost stole the
cup back on Sunday. I'll take USA's twelve and put them against Europe's
12 on any course in the world, bet 1 million each match, and sit back and
live off the interest from the money I would have made.

 
 
 

Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

Post by David Culle » Mon, 06 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
> First of all, I seriously doubt that the best team won.

Shall we have a recount?<g>

Cheers,
Dave from the UK
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Post by Jonas Holmgre » Mon, 06 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> First of all, I seriously doubt that the best team won. Everything went
> the Europeans way for this Ryder competition. Seve did all that he could
> to make sure that the A. course favored the Europeans and B. the order of
> play for the foursomes versus the alternate shot favored Europe's
> preference. All that being said and done, The US still almost stole the
> cup back on Sunday. I'll take USA's twelve and put them against Europe's
> 12 on any course in the world, bet 1 million each match, and sit back and
> live off the interest from the money I would have made.

Another bad looser......
Poor Tony......
Fact1:  Europe won 14.5-13.5 close yes, but Europe won.
Fact2:  Europe also won in 1995 on US-turf
Fact3:  You're an *** who can't take it that the
        best TEAM won, and that European TEAMS have dominated
        the Ryder Cup for the last 10 years.
Fact4:  Be more careful with your money dude, cause had you bet
        this time, you'd be eating shit the rest of your life.....
        from your 100 dollar bills which we'd have wiped our asses with...

Jonas
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Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

Post by William A. T. Cla » Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> First of all, I seriously doubt that the best team won. Everything went
> the Europeans way for this Ryder competition. Seve did all that he could
> to make sure that the A. course favored the Europeans and B. the order of
> play for the foursomes versus the alternate shot favored Europe's
> preference. All that being said and done, The US still almost stole the
> cup back on Sunday. I'll take USA's twelve and put them against Europe's
> 12 on any course in the world, bet 1 million each match, and sit back and
> live off the interest from the money I would have made.

This is pathetic - you just don't get it, do you? It is not a question of
playing a series of matches, it is ONE match, every two years. In that
format, it doesn't matter a hoot who assembles the world's strongest 12
golfers, it is even stephen once they get on the tee. Then desire, sense
of team, good captaincy, and the rest come into play. Also, get off the
excuses. Kite agreed with Seve to the fourballs being in the morning, as
it actually suited both captains in that they both get to see their
players play a full 18 holes (rather than alternate shot) before they have
to pick the foursomes for the afternnon, not the other way round. Seve
just made better use of the information. He was not afraid to sit players
down for the first day, whereas Kite played everybody and got thumped - a
case of massaging large egos, perhaps?

The simple fact is that we have set up this competition for the past
twelve years, and have grossly overmatched the Europeans on paper every
time, but still came out on the short end four times, with one tie. I'd
hang on to your money if I were you; unless you can find a suitable bridge
in Brooklyn to buy shares in.

William Clark

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Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

Post by Digita » Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
> First of all, I seriously doubt that the best team won. Everything went
> the Europeans way for this Ryder competition. Seve did all that he could
> to make sure that the A. course favored the Europeans and B. the order of
> play for the foursomes versus the alternate shot favored Europe's
> preference. All that being said and done, The US still almost stole the
> cup back on Sunday. I'll take USA's twelve and put them against Europe's
> 12 on any course in the world, bet 1 million each match, and sit back and
> live off the interest from the money I would have made.

I nearly fell off my chair laughing at this post.  

First, of all the U.S had a wondeful team - no question there, but in reply
to a few of your statements could i point out that :-

1) The golf course chosen for the event was the most 'American' style
course anywhere in Europe, indeed, Lanny Wadkins said before the tournament
that he felt Europe had made a BIG mistake picking Valderrma because
it was so perfectly suited to the Americans, and so different from what the
Europeans usually play on their Tour.

2) Getting the pairings and order of play right is what the whole damm cup
is
about.

and not least 3)

If you had been prepared to put your money where your mouth is in all of
the last
6 Ryder cups you would be a very poor man indeed.  But of course, it will
all be
so different from now on wont it, I mean, the U.S have the strongest team
in the
world dont they!, there's just no way they could lose any more Ryder Cups,
in
fact your just so dam good we'll have to make it the U.S versus the rest of
the
world - No wait, what about an inter galactic tournament - the U.S versus
the world
and anybody from any other world.

Why dont you just accept the facts, look at the results man and weep !!!!!!

Ben

 
 
 

Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

Post by Kevin Willia » Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>First of all, I seriously doubt that the best team won. Everything went
>the Europeans way for this Ryder competition. Seve did all that he could
>to make sure that the A. course favored the Europeans and B. the order of
>play for the foursomes versus the alternate shot favored Europe's
>preference. All that being said and done, The US still almost stole the
>cup back on Sunday. I'll take USA's twelve and put them against Europe's
>12 on any course in the world, bet 1 million each match, and sit back and
>live off the interest from the money I would have made.

This rings pretty hollow.  We got beat, but we're still better?  That is
why the matches are played, to show who's better.  I wanted the American
team to win as much as you did, but when they didn't I could only say
that were outplayed.  Better luck next time.

Kevin

 
 
 

Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

Post by Jari Mekli » Wed, 08 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
> Date: 5 Oct 1997 03:35:01 GMT

> Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
> Subject: Re: Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

> First of all, I seriously doubt that the best team won. Everything went
> the Europeans way for this Ryder competition. Seve did all that he could
> to make sure that the A. course favored the Europeans and B. the order of
> play for the foursomes versus the alternate shot favored Europe's
> preference. All that being said and done, The US still almost stole the
> cup back on Sunday. I'll take USA's twelve and put them against Europe's
> 12 on any course in the world, bet 1 million each match, and sit back and
> live off the interest from the money I would have made.

This kind of bad losers seem to be here with us after every
RC. Why don't you just give credit who it belongs to ?

Best wishes to you and try to get well (or use your millions to
seek some medical care in some of your high-class hospitals).

Jammu
Europe

 
 
 

Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

Post by coff » Tue, 14 Oct 1997 04:00:00


-->First of all, I seriously doubt that the best team won.

Hmmm, now there is an interesting proposition - The best team didn't win........

How was it you worked out that the US were the best team ? What was that based
on.......?

-->Everything went the Europeans way for this Ryder competition.

I can smell something here.......................can you ?

Cheers,

Paul C.

 
 
 

Europe win Ryder Cup - Thoughts

Post by Steve H Ri » Wed, 15 Oct 1997 04:00:00


says...

Quote:



>First of all, I seriously doubt that the best team won.
>>Hmmm, now there is an interesting proposition - The best team didn't win........
>How was it you worked out that the US were the best team ? What was that
based on.......?
>>Everything went the Europeans way for this Ryder competition.
>I can smell something here.......................can you ?

A very strong odour; a bit like a cow-pat but more masculine, you mean?
Sure do!  :)

SteveR