Iron loft - pros vs. amateur

Iron loft - pros vs. amateur

Post by Mike Murra » Mon, 05 May 2003 15:22:21


Hey folks,

I've heard many people claim that the irons that pros play actually
have more loft from club to club than the ones regular consumers
purchase. The reasoning I hear is that it makes the average golfer
feel better because they get a little more distance from each club.

I don't think this is true, but I'd like to hear everyone's input.
Thoughts?

 
 
 

Iron loft - pros vs. amateur

Post by Cal Golfe » Mon, 05 May 2003 23:55:16

Lofts of irons differ from set to set -- even those you buy "off the rack".
In the past 10 years many manufacturers have increasingly de-lofted their
irons.
Many pros (including Tiger) have all the clubs custom bent to different
lofts...

So it is pretty hard to prove or disprove the general claim about pros vs
non-pros....it really depends who you are talking about.

One other fact: many pros claim the TV announcers incorrectly describe which
club a pro is using on a given shot..when they say "here is Tiger hitting a
6 iron", Tiger may actually have a 4 iron in his hands... Pros like John
Cook claim this a rampant on the TV broadcasts.


Quote:
> Hey folks,

> I've heard many people claim that the irons that pros play actually
> have more loft from club to club than the ones regular consumers
> purchase. The reasoning I hear is that it makes the average golfer
> feel better because they get a little more distance from each club.

> I don't think this is true, but I'd like to hear everyone's input.
> Thoughts?


 
 
 

Iron loft - pros vs. amateur

Post by Matt Aamol » Tue, 06 May 2003 00:46:36

I doubt that Tiger had his clubs bent. Most likely (this is Tiger afterall)
Nike forged the irons to his exact specifications

--
Matt Aamold

"I used to love waking up in the morning because I looked forward to heading
to the golf course to practice and play. I just loved trying to improve a
little every day. That gave me the greatest pleasure of all." - Ben Hogan

Quote:
> Lofts of irons differ from set to set -- even those you buy "off the
rack".
> In the past 10 years many manufacturers have increasingly de-lofted their
> irons.
> Many pros (including Tiger) have all the clubs custom bent to different
> lofts...

> So it is pretty hard to prove or disprove the general claim about pros vs
> non-pros....it really depends who you are talking about.

> One other fact: many pros claim the TV announcers incorrectly describe
which
> club a pro is using on a given shot..when they say "here is Tiger hitting
a
> 6 iron", Tiger may actually have a 4 iron in his hands... Pros like John
> Cook claim this a rampant on the TV broadcasts.



> > Hey folks,

> > I've heard many people claim that the irons that pros play actually
> > have more loft from club to club than the ones regular consumers
> > purchase. The reasoning I hear is that it makes the average golfer
> > feel better because they get a little more distance from each club.

> > I don't think this is true, but I'd like to hear everyone's input.
> > Thoughts?


 
 
 

Iron loft - pros vs. amateur

Post by Blair P. Houghto » Tue, 06 May 2003 05:41:52


Quote:
>Hey folks,

>I've heard many people claim that the irons that pros play actually
>have more loft from club to club than the ones regular consumers
>purchase. The reasoning I hear is that it makes the average golfer
>feel better because they get a little more distance from each club.

>I don't think this is true, but I'd like to hear everyone's input.
>Thoughts?

That's funny.  A month or so ago I asked exactly the same
question--in reverse.

200-yard 6-irons can't just be about 20% more swing speed.

                                --Blair
                                  "Maybe they have their ulnas removed..."

 
 
 

Iron loft - pros vs. amateur

Post by Bill V » Tue, 06 May 2003 06:14:38

That is what I meant...Tiger doesn't buy clubs off the rack...I doubt they
have a separate mold for him, however, since you can bend forged clubs so
easily after they are produced. Nike would certainly NEVER admit that was
the case, any way...they insist you can buy the same clubs Tiger
uses...which is true...and just like Tiger, after you buy them you can have
them adjusted a degree or two or three....


Quote:
> I doubt that Tiger had his clubs bent. Most likely (this is Tiger
afterall)
> Nike forged the irons to his exact specifications

> --
> Matt Aamold

> "I used to love waking up in the morning because I looked forward to
heading
> to the golf course to practice and play. I just loved trying to improve a
> little every day. That gave me the greatest pleasure of all." - Ben Hogan


> > Lofts of irons differ from set to set -- even those you buy "off the
> rack".
> > In the past 10 years many manufacturers have increasingly de-lofted
their
> > irons.
> > Many pros (including Tiger) have all the clubs custom bent to different
> > lofts...

> > So it is pretty hard to prove or disprove the general claim about pros
vs
> > non-pros....it really depends who you are talking about.

> > One other fact: many pros claim the TV announcers incorrectly describe
> which
> > club a pro is using on a given shot..when they say "here is Tiger
hitting
> a
> > 6 iron", Tiger may actually have a 4 iron in his hands... Pros like John
> > Cook claim this a rampant on the TV broadcasts.



> > > Hey folks,

> > > I've heard many people claim that the irons that pros play actually
> > > have more loft from club to club than the ones regular consumers
> > > purchase. The reasoning I hear is that it makes the average golfer
> > > feel better because they get a little more distance from each club.

> > > I don't think this is true, but I'd like to hear everyone's input.
> > > Thoughts?

 
 
 

Iron loft - pros vs. amateur

Post by Bob How » Tue, 06 May 2003 08:29:52

I'm sure what can be said is that most Pros have their irons checked
(regularly) to ensure lofts (and lies) are correct and that the sequence
through the set is correct.
My experience is that "off the rack" sets are rarely correct, even though
individual clubs are mostly within stated tolerances.  Only yesterday, an
old set of forged blades had the 4I at 26 degrees and the 5I at 25 (the lies
were also all over the place)!  Despite the 5I being 1/2" shorter there was
probably no difference in their potential distances.  Cheers, Bob Howe


Quote:
> Hey folks,

> I've heard many people claim that the irons that pros play actually
> have more loft from club to club than the ones regular consumers
> purchase. The reasoning I hear is that it makes the average golfer
> feel better because they get a little more distance from each club.

> I don't think this is true, but I'd like to hear everyone's input.
> Thoughts?

 
 
 

Iron loft - pros vs. amateur

Post by JoePet » Tue, 06 May 2003 10:23:16

In my most recent set, my pitching wedge is the loft of my old 9-iron.
Jacking up the lofts has been an easy way for manufacturers to guarantee
their clubs are longer than competitors.

Generally clubheads can be bent only a few degrees. Generally the top pros
are going to get whatever they want for equipment. But from what I
understand, I don't custom lofts is a big request of theirs. Considering
most pros at some point had to play what the rest of us play ... I'm not
sure why they would want to start messing with lofts. By the same token, if
a manufacturer unveils a line with jacked up lofts -- the pro might asked
for something with more standard lofts.

That said, the jacked up lofts tend to be found in the "game improvement"
clubs marketed to mid and high handicappers -- clubs the pros probably
wouldn't be playing with anyway.

--
Joe


Quote:
> Hey folks,

> I've heard many people claim that the irons that pros play actually
> have more loft from club to club than the ones regular consumers
> purchase. The reasoning I hear is that it makes the average golfer
> feel better because they get a little more distance from each club.

> I don't think this is true, but I'd like to hear everyone's input.
> Thoughts?

 
 
 

Iron loft - pros vs. amateur

Post by jeff » Thu, 08 May 2003 03:30:21


Quote:
> Hey folks,

> I've heard many people claim that the irons that pros play actually
> have more loft from club to club than the ones regular consumers
> purchase. The reasoning I hear is that it makes the average golfer
> feel better because they get a little more distance from each club.

> I don't think this is true, but I'd like to hear everyone's input.
> Thoughts?

It probably used to be true, but probably isn't any more.  Although,
sometimes (not always) pros tend to play more traditional "blade like"
clubs, and they sometimes have more traditional (higher) lofts.  But like
you said, the main reason clubs that most people buy have less loft is so
that when you try a 6 iron from company A, and a 6 iron from company B, you
buy the one that you hit farther (the one with less loft).  Loft on clubs
has strenghtened by about 6 degrees over the years, I'd guess.  All
completely unnecessary, silly, and confusing.  It makes no difference
whatsover if you hit a club that is 38 inches long with 21 degrees of loft
and it has a 3 or 4 painted on the bottom of it.