Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by Carste » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:46:34


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> 3. Quality of the Broadcast
> Even with today's video technology, the video feed from the BBC to the
> USA is plain dreary, making the beautiful European courses look like
> cow pastures on American television. I have been to Europe many times
> and know the grass is just as green over there, but you would never
> know it by watching the televised broadcasts.

The coverage and the audience over here is a lot less hyped I agree.
And they don't airbrush the fairways and they don't pour blue paint
into their ponds either...;-)
All jokes aside, I'd prefer the "dreary" BBC/Sky coverage any time over
the commercial infested golf programs from NBC, CBS and whatever
they're called. Plus those "In da hole" shouts on every shot simply
make me cringe...

solong

Carsten

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by Cal Golfe » Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:20:14

Well, I disagree about the hype....I think this is the first Cup of any
kind in which the American players really seemed to be e***d about
playing and enjoying the competition.

The Europeans (players and fans) seem to take the Ryder MUCH more
seriously than Americans do.  At least that is my impression in talking
with golfing friends over there.

That is certainly the case for the British Open as well.
I am trying to recall how old I was when I first heard there was a
British Open or a Ryder Cup. I know that I was very young when I first
heard of the Masters...

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by Simo » Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:36:34

Quote:

> Well, I disagree about the hype....I think this is the first Cup of any
> kind in which the American players really seemed to be e***d about
> playing and enjoying the competition.

> The Europeans (players and fans) seem to take the Ryder MUCH more
> seriously than Americans do.  At least that is my impression in talking
> with golfing friends over there.

> That is certainly the case for the British Open as well.
> I am trying to recall how old I was when I first heard there was a
> British Open or a Ryder Cup. I know that I was very young when I first
> heard of the Masters...

I think the difference in hype is understandable. Rightly or wrongly,
we Europeans consider ourselves underdogs in the Ryder Cup, so it's
always a bigger deal for the little guy to beat the big guy than the
other way round.

The same thing happened in the cricket this summer. Beating the
Australians was a big deal and got a lot of hype in the press because
they were the best team in the world and we hadn't beaten them for a
long time (plus the Aussies delighted in telling us how much better
they were!). I doubt if the England cricket team would get a
ticker-tape parade if they had beaten Bangladesh.

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by Doug L » Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:17:44

It will be more interesting if we can have all 3 teams in the
same tournament.  Can anyone think of a way to have match
play for 3 teams?  Or do you just have to go to stroke play?
 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by Howard Braze » Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:49:34

Quote:

> It will be more interesting if we can have all 3 teams in the
> same tournament.  Can anyone think of a way to have match
> play for 3 teams?  Or do you just have to go to stroke play?

Interesting idea.   If the course will allow your players to go out in
groups of three, it should be possible.   But how should you score it?

You could just count wins (as in skins).   Or you could score everybody
for a win, half, or loss for that hole.   (you could have WHH, WHL, or
HHL as possible scores).

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by Howard Braze » Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:44:22

Quote:

> I think the difference in hype is understandable. Rightly or wrongly,
> we Europeans consider ourselves underdogs in the Ryder Cup, so it's
> always a bigger deal for the little guy to beat the big guy than the
> other way round.

And we USAmericans considered ourselves underdogs in the President's
Cup.

Did you like seeing the #1 and #2 players both being upset Sunday?

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by sfb » Wed, 28 Sep 2005 05:03:06

Never happen unless you can do it in four days. The singles round robin
alone - AB, BC, and CA - would take three days.


Quote:
> It will be more interesting if we can have all 3 teams in the
> same tournament.  Can anyone think of a way to have match
> play for 3 teams?  Or do you just have to go to stroke play?

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by johnt » Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:58:56

Quote:

> The same thing happened in the cricket this summer. Beating the
> Australians was a big deal and got a lot of hype in the press because
> they were the best team in the world and we hadn't beaten them for a
> long time

I though that was a bit of over-reaction, too, but talking to Oz
friends I find that they have had similar parades and press coverage
when they won the ashes as well.
 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by johnt » Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:03:19

Quote:

> It will be more interesting if we can have all 3 teams in the
> same tournament.  Can anyone think of a way to have match
> play for 3 teams?  Or do you just have to go to stroke play?

If the format changed to stroke play it would be just like any other
tournament wouldn't it?

Ther's nothing like matchplay for excitment and tension throughout the
field; in strokeplay we normally only see it on the last few holes of
the last day's play, and only when it's close between a couple of
players at the top.

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by myjunkc.. » Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:13:06

Quote:

> I know the Europeans will cringe at this suggestion, but the interest
> and popularity of the President's Cup is really gaining quickly on the
> Ryder, and there are several logical and good reasons for it:

etc

So your view has nothing to do with the fact that the US can actually
win this cup? :-)

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by dsc » Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:05:20

Quote:
> I think the difference in hype is understandable. Rightly or wrongly,
> we Europeans consider ourselves underdogs in the Ryder Cup, so it's
> always a bigger deal for the little guy to beat the big guy than the
> other way round.

That certainly hasn't been the case for the last decade or so. :)
 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by dsc » Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:09:23

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> Did you like seeing the #1 and #2 players both being upset Sunday?

Well, I enjoyed seeing Couples win. The fact that it was VJ... didn't
upset me any.
 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by William A. T. Clar » Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:19:20



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> Well, I disagree about the hype....I think this is the first Cup of any
> kind in which the American players really seemed to be e***d about
> playing and enjoying the competition.

Probably because it's one of the few in recent times in which they were
not on the wrong end of an embarrassing loss.

Quote:

> The Europeans (players and fans) seem to take the Ryder MUCH more
> seriously than Americans do.  At least that is my impression in talking
> with golfing friends over there.

Why wouldn't you relish the opportunity to kick a little sand in the big
boy's face? They have been told for so long that their Tour is second
rate, and that all the real golf is played on the PGA Tour, that getting
a chance to put a little egg on the US team's face means a lot.

Quote:

> That is certainly the case for the British Open as well.
> I am trying to recall how old I was when I first heard there was a
> British Open or a Ryder Cup. I know that I was very young when I first
> heard of the Masters...

This has less to do with the relative importance of The Open and the
Masters than it does the isolationism of US TV networks and press.

William Clark

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by Simo » Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:27:53

Quote:


> > I think the difference in hype is understandable. Rightly or wrongly,
> > we Europeans consider ourselves underdogs in the Ryder Cup, so it's
> > always a bigger deal for the little guy to beat the big guy than the
> > other way round.

> And we USAmericans considered ourselves underdogs in the President's
> Cup.

If you add up the world rankings of both sides, the US is 189 and the
International side is 264. In what sense do you consider the US to be
underdogs?

Quote:
> Did you like seeing the #1 and #2 players both being upset Sunday?

Well, world number 5 Goosen beating world no 1 Woods is hardly in the
same league as world number 119 Phillip Price beating world number 2
Phil Mickelson :-)
 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by Howard Braze » Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:42:21

Quote:

>> And we USAmericans considered ourselves underdogs in the President's
>> Cup.

> If you add up the world rankings of both sides, the US is 189 and the
> International side is 264. In what sense do you consider the US to be
> underdogs?

Perceptions are perceptions.   But the U.S. hasn't performed well in
this event.

Quote:
>> Did you like seeing the #1 and #2 players both being upset Sunday?

> Well, world number 5 Goosen beating world no 1 Woods is hardly in the
> same league as world number 119 Phillip Price beating world number 2
> Phil Mickelson :-)

Freddie beating Vijay was closer.