Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by Cal Golfe » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:18:18


I know the Europeans will cringe at this suggestion, but the interest
and popularity of the President's Cup is really gaining quickly on the
Ryder, and there are several logical and good reasons for it:

1. Strength of the field
There are few "no name" players in the President's Cup, but typically
4-5 on the Ryder Cup teams. The quality of golf I've seen the past few
days surpasses anything I've seen in recent Ryder Cups. Heck, Toms just
had to Eagle a hole to halve it against Immelman!

2. Interest of the US Players
Because the European Ryder team often includes lower-ranked players, I
think the US team is often in a no-win situation, since they are
expected to win each time and have nothing to gain and everything to
lose. That is not the case in the President's Cup, or anyone who
watched the Singh/Appleby vs Woods/Furyk matches yesterday. Singh vs
Woods head to head (or Woods vs Els) means much more than Woods vs any
European player.

3. Quality of the Broadcast
Even with today's video technology, the video feed from the BBC to the
USA is plain dreary, making the beautiful European courses look like
cow pastures on American television. I have been to Europe many times
and know the grass is just as green over there, but you would never
know it by watching the televised broadcasts.

I hope more people would agree with Frank Nobilo's suggestion that at
some point in the future the President's Cup and Ryder Cup are somehow
merged or tied together, but given the egos involved, I don't think it
will happen anytime soon. It is too bad.

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by Agent 38 » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:51:37

: I know the Europeans will cringe at this suggestion, but the interest
: and popularity of the President's Cup is really gaining quickly on the
: Ryder, and there are several logical and good reasons for it:
:
: 1. Strength of the field
: There are few "no name" players in the President's Cup, but typically
: 4-5 on the Ryder Cup teams.

There are no no-name players in the Ryder Cup, either.
The Euros just play their own tour while the "International"
players in the President's Cup mostly play the American tour,
so Americans are familiar with them.

-380-

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by johnt » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 05:21:03

Quote:

> I know the Europeans will cringe at this suggestion, but the interest
> and popularity of the President's Cup is really gaining quickly on the
> Ryder, and there are several logical and good reasons for it:

> 1. ...

> 2. Interest of the US Players
> Because the European Ryder team often includes lower-ranked players, I
> think the US team is often in a no-win situation,

That's true, in fact they no-win by nine points last time, and no-win
by three points the time before...

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by warren montgomer » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:43:58


Quote:
>I know the Europeans will cringe at this suggestion, but the interest
> and popularity of the President's Cup is really gaining quickly on the
> Ryder, and there are several logical and good reasons for it:

I'd also add the quality of the competition.  The closeness of the last two
matches vs lopsided ryder cups (especially with the US losing) has probably
contributed a lot to high interest in the US.

As others have suggested, the "no name" factor in the Ryder cup is largely
due to the fact that the European players don't have to play on the US tour
to earn good money and be top ranked.

(Now if they would just give it to someone other than NBC so I don't have to
listen to Johnny Miller drivel.

--

http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by assimil.. » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:23:23



Quote:
> Now if they would just give it to someone other than NBC so I don't
> have to listen to Johnny Miller drivel.

I don't mind Miller except his 3-metal 4-par drivel! ;-)

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by Bert Robbin » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:02:02


Quote:



>> Now if they would just give it to someone other than NBC so I don't
>> have to listen to Johnny Miller drivel.

> I don't mind Miller except his 3-metal 4-par drivel! ;-)

I hate watching gold on NBC for that reason. Miller is a pain to listen to.=

If it looks like a wood then it is a wood regardless of whether it is made
of steel, titanium or wood.

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by howardbry.. » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:27:25

Quote:

> I know the Europeans will cringe at this suggestion, but the interest
> and popularity of the President's Cup is really gaining quickly on the
> Ryder, and there are several logical and good reasons for it:

> 1. Strength of the field
> There are few "no name" players in the President's Cup, but typically
> 4-5 on the Ryder Cup teams. The quality of golf I've seen the past few
> days surpasses anything I've seen in recent Ryder Cups. Heck, Toms just
> had to Eagle a hole to halve it against Immelman!

> 2. Interest of the US Players
> Because the European Ryder team often includes lower-ranked players, I
> think the US team is often in a no-win situation, since they are
> expected to win each time and have nothing to gain and everything to
> lose. That is not the case in the President's Cup, or anyone who
> watched the Singh/Appleby vs Woods/Furyk matches yesterday. Singh vs
> Woods head to head (or Woods vs Els) means much more than Woods vs any
> European player.

> 3. Quality of the Broadcast
> Even with today's video technology, the video feed from the BBC to the
> USA is plain dreary, making the beautiful European courses look like
> cow pastures on American television. I have been to Europe many times
> and know the grass is just as green over there, but you would never
> know it by watching the televised broadcasts.

> I hope more people would agree with Frank Nobilo's suggestion that at
> some point in the future the President's Cup and Ryder Cup are somehow
> merged or tied together, but given the egos involved, I don't think it
> will happen anytime soon. It is too bad.

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by howardbry.. » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:31:19

I reckon the Pres. Cup could really distinguish itself from the Ryder
by a _mixed_ format, i.e. bringing in the women as well to get mixed
foursomes, fourballs etc.  As it is, it's only the non-US, non-European
women who don't get a look-in at this form of competition.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rocket J. Squirrel: "... we're going to have to think!"
Bullwinkle J. Moose: "There must be an easier way than that."

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by John » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:39:28

Quote:

> I reckon the Pres. Cup could really distinguish itself from the Ryder
> by a _mixed_ format, i.e. bringing in the women as well to get mixed
> foursomes, fourballs etc.  As it is, it's only the non-US, non-European
> women who don't get a look-in at this form of competition.

GAG!
 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by William A. T. Clar » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:45:34


Quote:

> I reckon the Pres. Cup could really distinguish itself from the Ryder
> by a _mixed_ format, i.e. bringing in the women as well to get mixed
> foursomes, fourballs etc.  As it is, it's only the non-US, non-European
> women who don't get a look-in at this form of competition.

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------

> Rocket J. Squirrel: "... we're going to have to think!"
> Bullwinkle J. Moose: "There must be an easier way than that."

I think this is silly stuff. The Ryder Cup began as a team matchplay
diversion between the originators of golf and the *** nation in the
game. The President's Cup is a made for TV event, created once the
popularity of the Ryder Cup following the 1987 defeat at Muirfield
Village became apparent. The Rest of the World team has no national
identity - most of them play the US Tour, others the European. They are
neither fish nor fowl. To suggest that this should supercede the Ryder
Cup does not even compare like with like. Indeed, the cynic would say
that this is just a way to spare the US the embarrassment of losing
singles matches (and the Cup) to the likes of David Guilford and Philip
Price, and having to put up with Ian Poulter's haircut and smile at the
awards ceremony.

Mixing men and women simply demolishes the Solheim Cup for no good
reason. Why not add the amateur men and women from the Walker and Curtis
Cups, and let's really have it all?

The Ryder Cup has become overblown in significance in the last fif***
years. Anyone remember those silly Desert Storm outfits from Kiawah
Island? It should be what it was meant to be - a pleasant but
competitive relief from the grind of the Tours - but please let's not
overblow the President's Cup.

William Clark

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by David Sneddo » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:53:34


Quote:


>>I reckon the Pres. Cup could really distinguish itself from the Ryder
>>by a _mixed_ format, i.e. bringing in the women as well to get mixed
>>foursomes, fourballs etc.  As it is, it's only the non-US, non-European
>>women who don't get a look-in at this form of competition.

>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>----------------------------

>>Rocket J. Squirrel: "... we're going to have to think!"
>>Bullwinkle J. Moose: "There must be an easier way than that."

> I think this is silly stuff. The Ryder Cup began as a team matchplay
> diversion between the originators of golf and the *** nation in the
> game. The President's Cup is a made for TV event, created once the
> popularity of the Ryder Cup following the 1987 defeat at Muirfield
> Village became apparent. The Rest of the World team has no national
> identity - most of them play the US Tour, others the European. They are
> neither fish nor fowl. To suggest that this should supercede the Ryder
> Cup does not even compare like with like. Indeed, the cynic would say
> that this is just a way to spare the US the embarrassment of losing
> singles matches (and the Cup) to the likes of David Guilford and Philip
> Price, and having to put up with Ian Poulter's haircut and smile at the
> awards ceremony.

> Mixing men and women simply demolishes the Solheim Cup for no good
> reason. Why not add the amateur men and women from the Walker and Curtis
> Cups, and let's really have it all?

> The Ryder Cup has become overblown in significance in the last fif***
> years. Anyone remember those silly Desert Storm outfits from Kiawah
> Island? It should be what it was meant to be - a pleasant but
> competitive relief from the grind of the Tours - but please let's not
> overblow the President's Cup.

> William Clark

Once more, Mr Clark, you bring sense and perspective to the subject.

David

 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by SkyhawkX » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:43:26

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 16:43:58 -0500, "warren montgomery"

Quote:
>(Now if they would just give it to someone other than NBC so I don't have to
>listen to Johnny Miller drivel.

Or Jimmy Roberts....
 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by long&lef » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:52:12

Quote:




>>> I reckon the Pres. Cup could really distinguish itself from the Ryder
>>> by a _mixed_ format, i.e. bringing in the women as well to get mixed
>>> foursomes, fourballs etc.  As it is, it's only the non-US, non-European
>>> women who don't get a look-in at this form of competition.

>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>> ----------------------------

>>> Rocket J. Squirrel: "... we're going to have to think!"
>>> Bullwinkle J. Moose: "There must be an easier way than that."

>> I think this is silly stuff. The Ryder Cup began as a team matchplay
>> diversion between the originators of golf and the *** nation in
>> the game. The President's Cup is a made for TV event, created once the
>> popularity of the Ryder Cup following the 1987 defeat at Muirfield
>> Village became apparent. The Rest of the World team has no national
>> identity - most of them play the US Tour, others the European. They
>> are neither fish nor fowl. To suggest that this should supercede the
>> Ryder Cup does not even compare like with like. Indeed, the cynic
>> would say that this is just a way to spare the US the embarrassment of
>> losing singles matches (and the Cup) to the likes of David Guilford
>> and Philip Price, and having to put up with Ian Poulter's haircut and
>> smile at the awards ceremony.
>> Mixing men and women simply demolishes the Solheim Cup for no good
>> reason. Why not add the amateur men and women from the Walker and
>> Curtis Cups, and let's really have it all?

>> The Ryder Cup has become overblown in significance in the last fif***
>> years. Anyone remember those silly Desert Storm outfits from Kiawah
>> Island? It should be what it was meant to be - a pleasant but
>> competitive relief from the grind of the Tours - but please let's not
>> overblow the President's Cup.

>> William Clark

> Once more, Mr Clark, you bring sense and perspective to the subject.

> David

Good God! How sick is that!!!
 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by Monte Comea » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:30:23


Quote:

>> I reckon the Pres. Cup could really distinguish itself from the Ryder
>> by a _mixed_ format, i.e. bringing in the women as well to get mixed
>> foursomes, fourballs etc.  As it is, it's only the non-US, non-European
>> women who don't get a look-in at this form of competition.

> GAG!

DITTO!!
 
 
 

Presidents Cup Becoming More Popular Than Ryder Cup

Post by Howard Braze » Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:04:09



Quote:
>> I don't mind Miller except his 3-metal 4-par drivel! ;-)

>I hate watching gold on NBC for that reason. Miller is a pain to listen to.=

>If it looks like a wood then it is a wood regardless of whether it is made
>of steel, titanium or wood.

Agreed.    Especially since "irons" can be made of any metal, and that
most of the head of a wood is *not* metal.