President's Cup and The Ryder Cup

President's Cup and The Ryder Cup

Post by Dave Le » Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:26:41


I enjoyed the President's Cup this year, although I will admit that it
rarely seems to bring the same e***ment as The Ryder Cup (and this year
was no exception).

But it occurs to me that, for no obvious reason other than history, this is
a very asymmetrical situation.  The US plays every year and both the
Internationals and the Europeans play every other year. Plus the Europeans
never play the Internationals, at least in a "Cup" competition.

A 3-way competition seems like a huge stretch. But a 3-year rotation instead
of 2 would seem very logical (Euro's vs. Internationals being added). Has
this ever been discussed?

At a glance this whole thing would seem to disadvantage the US team, forcing
them to fit this into their schedules every year. OTOH, SOMEBODY must be
making a ton of money here. There is no prize money being paid, spectators
out the wazoo,  and TV rights that are in demand (by golf standards) across
the world. So maybe this is an ultimate advantage to the US (or at least
some power in the US).

Comments/thoughts? What-the-heck - I'll even include you, Miss Anne, in this
invitation!

dave

 
 
 

President's Cup and The Ryder Cup

Post by Howard Braze » Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:11:10

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:26:41 -0400, "Dave Lee"

Quote:

>I enjoyed the President's Cup this year, although I will admit that it
>rarely seems to bring the same e***ment as The Ryder Cup (and this year
>was no exception).

>But it occurs to me that, for no obvious reason other than history, this is
>a very asymmetrical situation.  The US plays every year and both the
>Internationals and the Europeans play every other year. Plus the Europeans
>never play the Internationals, at least in a "Cup" competition.

I agree.   Also, the U.S. team has a huge advantage in being a real
team.    How strongly can Canada and Fiji be teammates with Japan and
South Africa and Australia and Korea?

But it's an excuse to see team golf, and I love team golf.

Anybody know what kind of golf is being proposed for the Olympics?

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President's Cup and The Ryder Cup

Post by Darrell Jefres » Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:11:44


Quote:
> Anybody know what kind of golf is being proposed for the Olympics?

Last I heard, it was a unique format - 72 hole stroke play.

DJJ

 
 
 

President's Cup and The Ryder Cup

Post by Frank Ketchu » Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:20:31


Quote:

> Comments/thoughts? What-the-heck - I'll even include you, Miss Anne, in
> this invitation!

Presumably it is this way to generate interest.  I don't think there would
be much television interest in a world (except United States) vs Europe
format.  I don't think there would be a lot of player interest either.  If
the US weren't participating last week, the three best golfers (WGR) in the
world wouldn't have been involved.
 
 
 

President's Cup and The Ryder Cup

Post by William Clar » Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:18:46



Quote:
> I enjoyed the President's Cup this year, although I will admit that it
> rarely seems to bring the same e***ment as The Ryder Cup (and this year
> was no exception).

> But it occurs to me that, for no obvious reason other than history, this is
> a very asymmetrical situation.  The US plays every year and both the
> Internationals and the Europeans play every other year. Plus the Europeans
> never play the Internationals, at least in a "Cup" competition.

> A 3-way competition seems like a huge stretch. But a 3-year rotation instead
> of 2 would seem very logical (Euro's vs. Internationals being added). Has
> this ever been discussed?

> At a glance this whole thing would seem to disadvantage the US team, forcing
> them to fit this into their schedules every year. OTOH, SOMEBODY must be
> making a ton of money here. There is no prize money being paid, spectators
> out the wazoo,  and TV rights that are in demand (by golf standards) across
> the world. So maybe this is an ultimate advantage to the US (or at least
> some power in the US).

> Comments/thoughts? What-the-heck - I'll even include you, Miss Anne, in this
> invitation!

> dave

One could counter argue that the US gets an advantage by playing match
play team golf every year, while the Euros and Presidents only get
together every other year.

It would be nice to think that a sizable chunk of the revenue goes to
worthwhile charities. That would be a fitting purpose.

 
 
 

President's Cup and The Ryder Cup

Post by Bob LaBlawg » Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:29:33

I have proposed in the past that the two events be combined. It would
probably be an expansion of the Ryder Cup (This precedent has already
been established when it went from the UK to all of Europe) The teams
NOT holding the cup would play for the right to challenge the Cup holder
the following year. (Sorta like the America's Cup)

Any thoughts? Suggestions? Reactions.

--
Bob LaBlawgh
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.

 
 
 

President's Cup and The Ryder Cup

Post by Dave Le » Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:58:52


Quote:
> I have proposed in the past that the two events be combined. It would
> probably be an expansion of the Ryder Cup (This precedent has already been
> established when it went from the UK to all of Europe) The teams NOT
> holding the cup would play for the right to challenge the Cup holder the
> following year. (Sorta like the America's Cup)

> Any thoughts? Suggestions? Reactions.

> --
> Bob LaBlawgh
> It's never too late to have a happy childhood.

I find that to be an interesting approach.

dave

 
 
 

President's Cup and The Ryder Cup

Post by John van der Pflu » Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:23:27

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:58:52 -0400, "Dave Lee"

Quote:



>> I have proposed in the past that the two events be combined. It would
>> probably be an expansion of the Ryder Cup (This precedent has already been
>> established when it went from the UK to all of Europe) The teams NOT
>> holding the cup would play for the right to challenge the Cup holder the
>> following year. (Sorta like the America's Cup)

>> Any thoughts? Suggestions? Reactions.

>> --
>> Bob LaBlawgh
>> It's never too late to have a happy childhood.

>I find that to be an interesting approach.

Yeah but let's face it -- it's about the money and I suspect that the
US is by far the largest market for any of these matches.  Which would
make more money:  The US vs. Internationals, or Europe vs.
Internationals?  

From me USA-centric POV I wouldn't even watch if the US wasn't
playing.  
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