1995 Ryder Cup Teams (Was: A new Ryder Cup for

1995 Ryder Cup Teams (Was: A new Ryder Cup for

Post by Alessandro Massiron » Wed, 06 Sep 1995 04:00:00


TO>> If they were going to play against the USA Davis Cup team possibly!
TO>>
TO>> Who have we got?:
TO>>
TO>>       Colin 'Choker' Montgomerie

TO>He has played extremely well for a long time now - until he has
TO>to put...

TO>>       Constanino 'Bigger Choker' Rocca - shame there are no wild card

TO>drops!

TO>Yes, seems like a sure loss - though he has played very well this

TO>summer.

Ok guys, let's destroy the team before it all begins !!
But remember, in the (you say) impossible case that European team wins,
do not try to come and say that WE WON, because YOU lose since now.
Another thing, it may seem a little patriotic (in fact it is), but
remember that
'Bigger Choker' Rocca tied the British open to playoff; maybe you were
looking
another channel in that moment.
Looking at the current money list, Sam Torrance, the only one you seem
to
accept, won only about 15000 pounds more than Rocca; so, where is the
terrible gap?
Anyway, I am european, I am supporting our team until the last hole.

Have good golf.

Alessandro Massironi


 
 
 

1995 Ryder Cup Teams (Was: A new Ryder Cup for

Post by Marko Kukkone » Wed, 06 Sep 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

> Ok guys, let's destroy the team before it all begins !!
> But remember, in the (you say) impossible case that European team wins,
> do not try to come and say that WE WON, because YOU lose since now.
> Another thing, it may seem a little patriotic (in fact it is), but
> remember that
> 'Bigger Choker' Rocca tied the British open to playoff; maybe you were
> looking
> another channel in that moment.
> Looking at the current money list, Sam Torrance, the only one you seem
> to
> accept, won only about 15000 pounds more than Rocca; so, where is the
> terrible gap?
> Anyway, I am european, I am supporting our team until the last hole.

> Have good golf.

> Alessandro Massironi



Alessandro,
I couldn't agree with you more. There's been a lot of talk about
the quality of the European team and I think that lately the
players who are in the team have been performing rather well. Rocca,
Montgomerie and Torrance (the top 3 in the European Order of Merit) all
played well in the recent European Masters and Ollie played pretty well in
the States. And though P-U Johansson didn't play too well in that
tournament, he actually won the preceding shoot-out (beat C.Rocca in the
final hole).

I think it's a huge advantage for the Europeans that they are considered
to be such underdogs this year. In my opinion the team has a pretty good
chance of bringing the cup back to Europe!

Ps. Good news for all golf enthusiasts in FINLAND! The local TV company
    PTV is showing the Ryder Cup LIVE!!!!! Thank god for that.

Marko K


 
 
 

1995 Ryder Cup Teams (Was: A new Ryder Cup for

Post by Alessandro Massiron » Wed, 06 Sep 1995 04:00:00

MK>Alessandro,
MK>I couldn't agree with you more. There's been a lot of talk about
MK>the quality of the European team and I think that lately the
MK>players who are in the team have been performing rather well. Rocca,
MK>Montgomerie and Torrance (the top 3 in the European Order of Merit) all
MK>played well in the recent European Masters and Ollie played pretty well in
MK>the States. And though P-U Johansson didn't play too well in that
MK>tournament, he actually won the preceding shoot-out (beat C.Rocca in the
MK>final hole).

MK>I think it's a huge advantage for the Europeans that they are considered
MK>to be such underdogs this year. In my opinion the team has a pretty good
MK>chance of bringing the cup back to Europe!

MK>Ps. Good news for all golf enthusiasts in FINLAND! The local TV company
MK>    PTV is showing the Ryder Cup LIVE!!!!! Thank god for that.

MK>Marko K

Thanks for the support,
I hope we will toast to the victory !!
As we say in Italy, "IN BOCCA AL LUPO !!" (tanslation: In the mouth of
the wolf) to our team.

Bye bye

Alessandro Massironi


 
 
 

1995 Ryder Cup Teams (Was: A new Ryder Cup for

Post by Steve H. Ri » Thu, 07 Sep 1995 04:00:00


says...

Quote:
>Ok guys, let's destroy the team before it all begins !!

What team?          ;-(

Quote:
>But remember, in the (you say) impossible case that European team wins,
>do not try to come and say that WE WON, because YOU lose since now.

Sorry but like losing a ball it is a matter of fact not declaration!

I hope we win but to me the team we have seems to be weakest we have
fielded for as long as I can remember (about 1.5 years!  :-))

Quote:
>Another thing, it may seem a little patriotic (in fact it is), but remember that
>'Bigger Choker' Rocca tied the British open to playoff; maybe you were
>looking another channel in that moment.

No I wasn't! But it seems you didn't actually watch the playoff itself!

Quote:
>Looking at the current money list, Sam Torrance, the only one you seem
>to accept,

What about Langer?

Quote:
>won only about 15000 pounds more than Rocca; so, where is the terrible gap?

Called nerve. Never said that Rocca wasn't a reasonably good player, only that
his nerve goes on the BIG occasions.

Quote:
>Anyway, I am european, I am supporting our team until the last hole.

And me!
Even if they are about to get hammered.

Quote:
>Have good golf.

And you.

Steve

 
 
 

1995 Ryder Cup Teams (Was: A new Ryder Cup for

Post by Alessandro Massiron » Thu, 07 Sep 1995 04:00:00

PS>No I wasn't! But it seems you didn't actually watch the playoff itself!

Yes, but I watched also all the turnament !!
Maybe he had not the "nerve" to win, but he had the balls to arrive
there !!

PS>What about Langer?

Have you seen the last rankings ?? I don't think so.

PS>>Anyway, I am european, I am supporting our team until the last hole.

PS>And me!
PS>Even if they are about to get hammered.

Strange way to do it...

Have good golf again.

 
 
 

1995 Ryder Cup Teams (Was: A new Ryder Cup for

Post by Alessandro Massiron » Thu, 07 Sep 1995 04:00:00

Paul Roberts wrote :

PA>We all know that Rocca doesn t have the bottle for the big occasion, and yet
PA>he has qualified very comfortably by consistently claiming top 20 finishes o
PA>the tour.

An other one that was in the toilet during the British Open...
Or may be you in England don't consider that turnament a big occasion.

Why don't you go putting for a while and return to discuss this things
after
the end of the cup? These discussions are pointless, how can we judge
these
players like we all were Major turnament winners?

Personally I don't dare judging people that play golf ANYWAY MUCH
BETTER THAN
ANYONE ON THIS MAILING LIST !!!

BYE BYE AND GO EUROPE !!

Alessandro Massironi

 
 
 

1995 Ryder Cup Teams (Was: A new Ryder Cup for

Post by Ari Huhtami » Fri, 08 Sep 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

>says...

>>Ok guys, let's destroy the team before it all begins !!

>What team?          ;-(

>>But remember, in the (you say) impossible case that European team wins,
>>do not try to come and say that WE WON, because YOU lose since now.

>>Anyway, I am european, I am supporting our team until the last hole.

>And me!
>Even if they are about to get hammered.

>>Have good golf.

>And you.

>Steve

"Great victories are won against enemies who couldn't possibly loose."

Ari Huhtamies

 
 
 

1995 Ryder Cup Teams (Was: A new Ryder Cup for

Post by Steve H. Ri » Fri, 08 Sep 1995 04:00:00


says...

Quote:

>PS>No I wasn't! But it seems you didn't actually watch the playoff itself!

>Yes, but I watched also all the turnament !!
>Maybe he had not the "nerve" to win, but he had the balls to arrive
>there !!

No good 'being there' if your bottle goes at the end! May as well not qualified
for the tournament at all!

Quote:
>PS>What about Langer?

Rankings have nothing to do with it!
Mean nothing at all - results do!

Quote:
>PS>>Anyway, I am european, I am supporting our team until the last hole.

>PS>And me!
>PS>Even if they are about to get hammered.

>Strange way to do it...

As Frank Sinatra sang "I did it my way" (mind you the Sex Pistols version was
1000% better).

Quote:
>Have good golf again.

Hope so ... and you!

Steve

 
 
 

1995 Ryder Cup Teams (Was: A new Ryder Cup for

Post by t.. » Fri, 08 Sep 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

> MK>Alessandro,
> MK>I couldn't agree with you more. There's been a lot of talk
about
> MK>the quality of the European team and I think that lately the
> MK>players who are in the team have been performing rather well.
Rocca,
> MK>Montgomerie and Torrance (the top 3 in the European Order of
Merit) all
> MK>played well in the recent European Masters and Ollie played
pretty well in
> MK>the States. And though P-U Johansson didn't play too well in
that
> MK>tournament, he actually won the preceding shoot-out (beat
C.Rocca in the
> MK>final hole).

> MK>I think it's a huge advantage for the Europeans that they are
considered
> MK>to be such underdogs this year. In my opinion the team has a
pretty good
> MK>chance of bringing the cup back to Europe!

> MK>Ps. Good news for all golf enthusiasts in FINLAND! The local
TV company
> MK>    PTV is showing the Ryder Cup LIVE!!!!! Thank god for

that.

I wonder if it will be possible to watch on Hotel Saga:s cable
TV (Reykjavik on Iceland), since I will be there during that
weekend...

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> MK>Marko K

> Thanks for the support,
> I hope we will toast to the victory !!
> As we say in Italy, "IN BOCCA AL LUPO !!" (tanslation: In the
mouth of
> the wolf) to our team.

> Bye bye

> Alessandro Massironi


 
 
 

1995 Ryder Cup Teams (Was: A new Ryder Cup for

Post by Alessandro Massiron » Sat, 09 Sep 1995 04:00:00

PS>Are you on about me!

No, not only with you, I hate to see people criticize sometime without
any reason.
I said that I respect all your opinions, I only don't like the way you
expose them.

PS>Just a reminder that Caruso's voice trainer couldn't sing a note.

Maybe, but he certainly was a great expert in music. Are you at the
same level
confronting to PGA players? If you are so expert I apologize.

PS>Just because I can't play golf as well as Faldo, et al, then I can't make
PS>expert
PS>judgements?

Exactly !!
You could know how to play, but you will never know what it means to
play
at that level!!
Sorry, but I think that is too easy to judge somebody only seeing him
on tv.

PS>Expertise of action and expertise of consideration are mutually exclusive.

I don't think so. Your considerations are not technical. You preteng to
judge people's
character. It is your right, but I cannot agree. I think that you judge
these players
so bad only because you don't like them, or because they are not your
preferred players.

PS>Steve

Don't take it personally !!
Bye
Alex

 
 
 

1995 Ryder Cup Teams (Was: A new Ryder Cup for

Post by Alessandro Massiron » Sat, 09 Sep 1995 04:00:00

OK, let's put an end to this:

1) nobody can tell me :"I support the european team, even if...". There
is no "even if",
if you don't give them a single chance to win don't say you support
them; remember that
hope is the last thing to die.

2) for the second time I repeat that what I wrote is only the opinion
of a supporter. I don't
pretend (like somebody) to judge players that play better (much better)
than everyone reading
this message.

3) if the european team will lose, don't come to me saying that I was
wrong, because I am not
saying that we will win, I always said that I hope so. On the other
side it is you that are so sure...

4) if we want to talk a little bit more about the turnament, The Ryder
Cup (if I am not wrong)
is based on four-ball-the-best, fousome and single matches. Who knows
golf knows also that
this kind of turnaments are influenced by many kinds of factors, so it
is very difficult to make
previsions basing only from moneylists and standings of the players
involved.

Anyway I absolutely respect any other opinion.

One time more (discussion closed) I say:

G O    E U R O P E !!

Bye bye all and see you after the turnament.

 
 
 

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Post by Steve H. Ri » Sat, 09 Sep 1995 04:00:00


says...

Quote:
>2) for the second time I repeat that what I wrote is only the opinion
>of a supporter. I don't
>pretend (like somebody) to judge players that play better (much better)          

              ^^^^^^^^^^

Are you on about me!

Just a reminder that Caruso's voice trainer couldn't sing a note.
Just because I can't play golf as well as Faldo, et al, then I can't make expert
judgements?

Expertise of action and expertise of consideration are mutually exclusive.

Steve

 
 
 

1995 Ryder Cup Teams (Was: A new Ryder Cup for

Post by Paul Robert » Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>Paul Roberts wrote :

>PA>We all know that Rocca doesn t have the bottle for the big occasion, and yet
>PA>he has qualified very comfortably by consistently claiming top 20 finishes o
>PA>the tour.

>An other one that was in the toilet during the British Open...
>Or may be you in England don't consider that turnament a big occasion.

You miss my point Alessandro. Its precisely BECAUSE of his Open performance
that Im convinced he doesnt have the bottle. There have been many players over
the years who have got themselves into strong positions in Major championships
and then been found wanting when it came to the crunch. Roccas fluffed chip on
the 18th was a classic case of a player losing his nerve under pressure. Admittedly
he holed that huge putt to force the play-off but the pressure was off then because
even he cant have been expecting to make it. Then of course in the play-off itself
he was found wanting again.

And of course we all remember his performance in the last Ryder Cup. One up with
2 to play ...

Dont get me wrong. Ill be absolutely delighted if Rocca, along with Gilford, Walton
and Johanssen force me to eat my words, but Id rather see the likes of Ian Woosnam
and Sandy Lyle who have won Major championships, than journeymen who are
consistent but not winners.

What do you think of my suggestions for alternative selection procedures?

Regards,

Paul Roberts.